[_ Old Earth _] How can a real christian chose to believe evoultuion

[goliwog man]

In the beginning was the Word And the Word was with God and the word was God. The same was in the begging with God John1v 1-2 So Jesus was in the beginning with God and he is God. Jesus was in the begging with God not the big bang with God. Gods son was Jesus not random chance.

All things were made by him and without him was not anything made that was made. John1v3 God made all and without him nothing was made. So man could not evolve into a new being because God didn’t make that new being. Everything that was ever made was made by him.

In him was life, and the life was the light of men. John1v4
So God is life. Without God creations there would be no life. The only way we get life is from his creation.

1 Timothy 1v4
Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than Godly edifying which is in faith. So do.

More over I will endeavour that ye may be able after my decease to have these things always in remembrance. For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of the lord Jesus Christ. But were eye witnesses of his majesty. 2 peter 1v15-16.

Peter Didn’t gives into cunning fables. He here he wishes us not to. Is evolution God edifying? Do they have faith? Reality isn’t found in a textbook.

Now faith is the substance of things hoped for and the evidence of things not seen. (heb11v1) In which case science has no faith. Do we out our faith in a substance that has no faith?

Finally the bible says we didn’t evolve. Heb 11v3

Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, So that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

things which are seen were not made of things which do appear! Things don’t turn into things.) Humans (which are seen) did not come from Neanderthal and co (which appear)

How can a real Christian chose to believe in evolution.

 

[keebs]

Finally the bible says we didn’t evolve. Heb 11v3

It say nothing about evolution. All it says is the universe was created by God. Yet another victory for you and your orthodox views.

In the beginning was the Word And the Word was with God and the word was God. The same was in the begging with God John1v 1-2 So Jesus was in the beginning with God and he is God. Jesus was in the begging with God not the big bang with God. Gods son was Jesus not random chance.

Evolution says nothing about the big bang. EVOLUTION IS NOT A THEORY OF THE UNIVERSE NOR THE ORIGINS OF LIFE. That is a strawman you have built up for yourself. And second, evolution does not say that Jesus was random chance. God can do anything, remember? Why can he not use evolution and still create Jesus?

All things were made by him and without him was not anything made that was made. John1v3 God made all and without him nothing was made. So man could not evolve into a new being because God didn’t make that new being. Everything that was ever made was made by him.

God made the new species indirectly through the process of evolution. The bible doesn't specify whether or not God created directly or indirectly.

In him was life, and the life was the light of men. John1v4
So God is life. Without God creations there would be no life. The only way we get life is from his creation.

Ok, and the revelance of that to evolution is?

Here's a clue, you need to learn evolution before you can make claims based on it.

 

[Asimov]

blah blah blah blah blah.....


blah blah jesus blah blah blah!!

how can a real christian believe in gravity/chemistry/math/biology/geology...etc?

yep....that pretty much sums it up.

 

[goliwog man]

hey keebs Knowing this first, that there shall come scoffers, walking after there own lusts, And saying where is the promise of his coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation. For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of god the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

This verse coincides with heb11v3. All things continue as they were from the beginning since our fathers (fore fathers) slept (died). Yet scoffers who only care for themselves are willingly ignorant so as they can fulfil there own lusts.

Scoffers don’t understand that Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear. (heb 11v3) Things that we see everyday were not made of foreign objects that we find or that later on appear.

Also about evolution working in with God and Jesus. God is the alpha and omega the begging and the end (rev1v8) Are you suggesting that he isn’t the middle part also. Fir God not to be the middle he would not be infinite. But he is infinite. (psalm 147v5)

Evolution is not part of creation or the trinity.
For there are three that bear record in heaven the father the son and the holy Ghost and these three are one. 1john 5v7

Evolution has no part in the trinity and no importance in heavenly realms if it did it would have a mention.

Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptising them in the name of the father and of the son and of the holy ghost Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you; and lo I am with you always even unto the end of the world A-men. Matthew 28v20

We don’t baptise with science and we don’t teach evolution because it has no part or existence with God. If God created and used evolution it would say so. It would teach of his changing ways and changing creations but it doesn’t in fact it does the opposite.

But more importantly God loves you like a careing father he doesn’t wish his children to walk through the fire. In my fathers house there are many mansions if it were not so I would have told you. God is Life not evolution.

The Tuatha'an sorry if i confused you But im still prayeing. On this forum you can cut me to shreads but every shred will say jesus loves you

 

[Asimov]

hey keebs Knowing this first, that there shall come scoffers, walking after there own lusts, And saying where is the promise of his coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation. For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of god the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

This verse coincides with heb11v3. All things continue as they were from the beginning since our fathers (fore fathers) slept (died). Yet scoffers who only care for themselves are willingly ignorant so as they can fulfil there own lusts.

Scoffers don’t understand that Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear. (heb 11v3) Things that we see everyday were not made of foreign objects that we find or that later on appear.

Also about evolution working in with God and Jesus. God is the alpha and omega the begging and the end (rev1v8) Are you suggesting that he isn’t the middle part also. Fir God not to be the middle he would not be infinite. But he is infinite. (psalm 147v5)

Evolution is not part of creation or the trinity.
For there are three that bear record in heaven the father the son and the holy Ghost and these three are one. 1john 5v7

Evolution has no part in the trinity and no importance in heavenly realms if it did it would have a mention.

Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptising them in the name of the father and of the son and of the holy ghost Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you; and lo I am with you always even unto the end of the world A-men. Matthew 28v20

We don’t baptise with science and we don’t teach evolution because it has no part or existence with God. If God created and used evolution it would say so. It would teach of his changing ways and changing creations but it doesn’t in fact it does the opposite.

But more importantly God loves you like a careing father he doesn’t wish his children to walk through the fire. In my fathers house there are many mansions if it were not so I would have told you. God is Life not evolution.

The Tuatha'an sorry if i confused you But im still prayeing. On this forum you can cut me to shreads but every shred will say jesus loves you

What does this have to do with science???

 

[goliwog man]

all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation.

the bible says nothing evolves

So that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

Living things whish we see arnt made from fosslis that appear.

In the beginning was the Word

In the begining was God not in the begging was the big bang

 

[Asimov]

all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation.

the bible says nothing evolves

[quote:2387c]So that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

Living things whish we see arnt made from fosslis that appear.

In the beginning was the Word

In the begining was God not in the begging was the big bang[/quote:2387c]

???

 

[cubedbee]

In the beginning was the Word And the Word was with God and the word was God. The same was in the begging with God John1v 1-2 So Jesus was in the beginning with God and he is God.

Agree so far.

Jesus was in the begging with God not the big bang with God.

Yes, Jesus was in the beginning with God. And they God/Jesus caused the big bang.

Gods son was Jesus not random chance.

You do a very good job of making up fake positions for your opposition.

All things were made by him and without him was not anything made that was made. John1v3 God made all and without him nothing was made.

Agree

So man could not evolve into a new being because God didn’t make that new being. Everything that was ever made was made by him

Evolution is a process. God is quite capable of using that process to create new beings. Evolution is guided by God, and hence the results of evolution are made by God

In him was life, and the life was the light of men. John1v4
So God is life. Without God creations there would be no life. The only way we get life is from his creation.

1 Timothy 1v4
Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than Godly edifying which is in faith. So do.

More over I will endeavour that ye may be able after my decease to have these things always in remembrance. For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of the lord Jesus Christ. But were eye witnesses of his majesty. 2 peter 1v15-16.

Agree

Peter Didn’t gives into cunning fables. He here he wishes us not to. Is evolution God edifying? Do they have faith? Reality isn’t found in a textbook.

Paul, the author of 1 Timothy, was speaking of doctrines, as you can see from the previous verse "As I besought thee to abide still at Ephesus, when I went into Macedonia, that thou mightest charge some that they teach no other doctrine," Evolution is not a religious doctrine. And it is not a fable. It is a sound theory that is based on observable facts and which changes as new facts come to light.

Now faith is the substance of things hoped for and the evidence of things not seen. (heb11v1) In which case science has no faith. Do we out our faith in a substance that has no faith?

No, science has no faith. It is not religion. And no, I don't put faith in evolution. However, I believe it because it is the theory that best desribes the observable facts of our planet.

Finally the bible says we didn’t evolve. Heb 11v3

Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, So that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

things which are seen were not made of things which do appear! Things don’t turn into things.) Humans (which are seen) did not come from Neanderthal and co (which appear)

Umm...that's a reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaal stretch. I take this verse to say that God created the universe out of nothing, instead of some pre-existant matter. Could you just as easily say Humans(which are seen) do not come from human mothers (which appear). Your interpretation of this verse is ridiculous.

How can a real Christian chose to believe in evolution.

They can actually look at the testimony of God's creation and see it for what it says.

 

[B]

Jesus was in the beginning with God

Hang on. Do you worship 2 deities or 1?

 

[goliwog man]

Evolution is not a religious doctrine.

well If God did use evolution shouldnt it be? where in the bible does it say God and jesus caused the big bang (thanks for your patience) If God using evolution is a doctrine of some type what is it. If it was fact even facts are doctrines.

Evolution is a process. God is quite capable of using that process to create new beings.

e.g And God said let there be light and there was light (gen 1v3) That sounds straight away to me theres no indication of a process or time elapsing. The only time in gen 1 is in days. But there are 2 reason why these days cant be a certain amount of years
1)denies a world wide flood (since such a flood would have wiped out all preceeding ages)
2)Insists that there were many creatures that lived struggled and died before man came on the scene and before sin.
are we agreed

dieties? there are three that bear record in heaven the father the son and the holy ghost , the 3 are 1 and the 1 are 3

 

[keebs]

well If God did use evolution shouldnt it be? where in the bible does it say God and jesus caused the big bang (thanks for your patience) If God using evolution is a doctrine of some type what is it. If it was fact even facts are doctrines.

God also used prostitutes as a tool in the bible, such as Hosea's wife. Does that mean we should make prostitution a religious doctrine?

1)denies a world wide flood (since such a flood would have wiped out all preceeding ages)
2)Insists that there were many creatures that lived struggled and died before man came on the scene and before sin.
are we agreed

1. Evolution says nothing about a flood. Evolution is not a theory of meterology, geology, etc. It is a theory of living organisms.
2. Evolution does not say that. It says that it is possible, but it does not mean that it happened.

 

[Guest]

[quote="goliwog man":c87dd]hey keebs Knowing this first, that there shall come scoffers, walking after there own lusts, And saying where is the promise of his coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation. For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of god the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

This verse coincides with heb11v3. All things continue as they were from the beginning since our fathers (fore fathers) slept (died). Yet scoffers who only care for themselves are willingly ignorant so as they can fulfil there own lusts.


What does this have to do with science???

[/quote:c87dd]

:smt039 What does EVOLUTION have to do with SCIENCE?
It's not science it's vain philosophies of man,and based and rooted
on ancient pagan religions. It's pagan religion repackaged,and it's
also involved with the so called "New Age" religions.
Philosophy is not science.
Evolution is not science in any fashion,shape or form.
Evolution is old age trying to claim it's a new idea.
There is no evidence to prove evolution,and there is no evidence
that science even supports it!

 

[keebs]

http://www.talkorigins.org/pdf/comdesc.pdf[/url]

 

[Guest]

well If God did use evolution shouldnt it be? where in the bible does it say God and jesus caused the big bang (thanks for your patience) If God using evolution is a doctrine of some type what is it. If it was fact even facts are doctrines.

God also used prostitutes as a tool in the bible, such as Hosea's wife. Does that mean we should make prostitution a religious doctrine?

[quote:2a1ba]1)denies a world wide flood (since such a flood would have wiped out all preceeding ages)
2)Insists that there were many creatures that lived struggled and died before man came on the scene and before sin.
are we agreed

1. Evolution says nothing about a flood. Evolution is not a theory of meterology, geology, etc. It is a theory of living organisms.
2. Evolution does not say that. It says that it is possible, but it does not mean that it happened.[/quote:2a1ba]

:smt043 :smt043 :smt043 Evolution is from the ancient pagans.
It believes in magic and all things that have been proven to be
impossible. http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial ... =110005223
http://www.bpnews.net/bpcolumn.asp?ID=1356

 

[keebs]

I've told you before, Christian links are biased and unreliable when it comes to science. It's that simple. Give me any actual (notice I said actual, meaning based on sound scientific theory--not strawmen) for any of the claims you have made.

 

[keebs]

And what do any of those links have to do with evolution being an ancient pagan religion anyways?

 

[Guest]

1. It is not ancient philosophy based on ancient pagan religions. Neo-Darwinism is completely different from ancient pagan evolution, which believe that all physical changes were inherited by offspring, so lets say if I broke my finger, my kid would be born with a broken finger...and we know that isn't true. NEO-DARWINISM IS NOT ANCIENT PAGANISTIC EVOLUTION. Got it?

2. Evolution is more than philosophy, it is a branch of biology and being such it is subject to the scientific method, thereby rendering it "science."

3. There are many, many pieces of evidence to support evolution: http://www.talkorigins.org/pdf/comdesc.pdf

:smt024 Is http://www.talkorigins you favorite website?
Almost all atheists I've ever met adore that site.
First of all,that branch of the medical profession does not support
evolution at all. Darwin's grandpa also believed simular to Darwin.
http://www.creationresearch.org/
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Re ... sp?ID=2670
http://www.rae.org/women.html
http://www.thedarwinpapers.com/

 

[Guest]

And what do any of those links have to do with evolution being an ancient pagan religion anyways?

:smt041 Read them carefully!
also try to read this information too:
http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v15/ ... ralism.asp
http://www.icr.org/pubs/imp/imp-234.htm

 

[keebs]

Medical profession? Where did that come from? Douglas Theobald (the author), has a Ph.D. in chemistry and biochemistry, nothing about medicine. And here are my critiques to your links:

creationresearch.org-- Creationist, as I have said before, biased and it attacks strawmen, not the real theory

frontpagemag.com-- The author does not have formal training in evolutionary biology and was persuaded of his views by Behe and Denton's books, which are pro-creation and use strawmen.

rae.org-- Evolution teaches nothing about female inferiority

thedarwinpapers.com-- same critique as creationresearch.org

I need proof of your claims. And please, don't post false, irrelevant information about things like Darwin's grandfather.

 

[keebs]

And what do any of those links have to do with evolution being an ancient pagan religion anyways?

:smt041 Read them carefully!

I've read them carefully, and they are completely irrelevant information and do not talk about evolution being ancient paganism.

And, as for your AiG and IRC links, I have told you and will tell you again-- THEY ARE NON-RELIABLE INFORMATION SOURCES. Can you comprehend what I am writing?