How do Muslims Believe They Can Be Saved?

[azlan88]

I'm curious of how Muslims think they can be saved. Because they live sinful lives, do they think they can step outside God's holy law and find their own brand of righeousness? Jesus offered an alternative, having said that He is the way, the truth, and the life, and that nobody goes to the Father except through Him. He also said that if any man tries to enter Heaven by another door, he tries to enter Heaven like a thief. So how do Muslims claim righeousness, having rejected the Son?

 

[Ed the Ned]

I think Musim in there own beliefs, believe they are saved and it would be wrong to try and compare the two. Is a Muslim saved, my belief is no. Christ said the only way to the father is through him. If you see how much money the church puts into sending missions to Muslim countries to send the message of Christ to all the world, it can easily be seen that this is the beliefs of many Christians. I know their are "christrians" out there that believe all religions will lead to God.

 

[sk0rpi0n]

Muslims believe they are saved by their belief in the oneness of God and by good deeds.
In fact, the entire judgement day scene in Matthew Matthew 25:31-46 pretty much sums up the islamic beliefs with regard to being saved.

 

[Tina]

Muslims believe they are saved by their belief in the oneness of God and by good deeds.
In fact, the entire judgement day scene in Matthew Matthew 25:31-46 pretty much sums up the islamic beliefs with regard to being saved.

What happened to the Six Doctrines to be believed and Five Pillars of Islam to be performed ?

 

[sk0rpi0n]

@ Tina

Those are basically to do with the religious beliefs/practises of muslim during his life. It covers faith and works. So When a person dies and when he is being judged, his beliefs and practises will influence whether or not he is saved. But broadly, Islam teaches that being saved depends on faith and works.

 

[Tina]

Those are basically to do with the religious beliefs/practises of muslim during his life. It covers faith and works. So When a person dies and when he is being judged, his beliefs and practises will influence whether or not he is saved. But broadly, Islam teaches that being saved depends on faith and works.

I ask you again ....

So you got to believe in the Six Doctrines of beliefs and Five Pillars of Islam practices to be saved ?

 

[bodhitharta]

Why does Jesus say this:

Matthew 16 (King James Version)

27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

Muslims believe that it is God and God alone that extends His grace and Mercy to whomever He pleases

Psalm 51:1-3 (King James Version)

1Have mercy upon me, O God, according to thy lovingkindness: according unto the multitude of thy tender mercies blot out my transgressions.

2Wash me throughly from mine iniquity, and cleanse me from my sin.

3For I acknowledge my transgressions: and my sin is ever before me.

Muslims also understand that Jesus is not God but God's representative, Jesus denies being god in this very clear statement here:

John 7:15-17 (King James Version)

15And the Jews marvelled, saying, How knoweth this man letters, having never learned?

16Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.

17If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.

Now if he was God of course he would be speaking of himself so he tells them directly that if you follow the doctrine you know that it isn't Jesus's doctrine and this is what the Quran teaches.

BTW, The Quran nor any Muslim rejects Jesus accepting Jesus and all the Prophets is part of the belief in God. Muslims believe like Jesus said "In the Doctrine of GOD"

 

[Tina]

Why does Jesus say this:

Matthew 16 (King James Version)

27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

Muslims believe that it is God and God alone that extends His grace and Mercy to whomever He pleases

The Son of man is Jesus Christ.

Psalm 51:1-3 (King James Version)

1Have mercy upon me, O God, according to thy lovingkindness: according unto the multitude of thy tender mercies blot out my transgressions.

2Wash me throughly from mine iniquity, and cleanse me from my sin.

3For I acknowledge my transgressions: and my sin is ever before me.

This is a repentence of David of his sins.

Muslims also understand that Jesus is not God but God's representative, Jesus denies being god in this very clear statement here:

John 7:15-17 (King James Version)

15And the Jews marvelled, saying, How knoweth this man letters, having never learned?

16Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.

17If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.

Now if he was God of course he would be speaking of himself so he tells them directly that if you follow the doctrine you know that it isn't Jesus's doctrine and this is what the Quran teaches.

BTW, The Quran nor any Muslim rejects Jesus accepting Jesus and all the Prophets is part of the belief in God. Muslims believe like Jesus said "In the Doctrine of GOD"

Wrong interpretation again ! ........ :naughty

Jesus is saying that His knowledge had come from the One who had sent Him, namely, God the Father. It had not come from Himself. He meant that His was not knowledge that He had dreamed up or arrived at through independent study. His teaching did not come from the rabbis or from self-study but directly from God.

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[bodhitharta]

This is a repentence of David of his sins.

Muslims also understand that Jesus is not God but God's representative, Jesus denies being god in this very clear statement here:

John 7:15-17 (King James Version)

15And the Jews marvelled, saying, How knoweth this man letters, having never learned?

16Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.

17If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.

Now if he was God of course he would be speaking of himself so he tells them directly that if you follow the doctrine you know that it isn't Jesus's doctrine and this is what the Quran teaches.

BTW, The Quran nor any Muslim rejects Jesus accepting Jesus and all the Prophets is part of the belief in God. Muslims believe like Jesus said "In the Doctrine of GOD"

Wrong interpretation again ! ........ :naughty

Jesus is saying that His knowledge had come from the One who had sent Him, namely, God the Father. It had not come from Himself. He meant that His was not knowledge that He had dreamed up or arrived at through independent study. His teaching did not come from the rabbis or from self-study but directly from God.

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17If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.

Yes, I agree but it is not his and he is not claiming to be God or for that matter the source of the revelation/knowledge.

 

[Aero_Hudson]

All religions have their own beliefs. Based on what I know of the Muslim faith, and that is very little, my understanding is that saving has nothing to do with it. Being saved is purely a Christian ideal the way I understand it.

 

[bodhitharta]

All religions have their own beliefs. Based on what I know of the Muslim faith, and that is very little, my understanding is that saving has nothing to do with it. Being saved is purely a Christian ideal the way I understand it.

Muslims believe that "Only those who endure to the end shall be saved" Just like Jesus said.

There is no arrogance such as saying as most Christians do "I know I'm saved" A Muslim will always assert "God willing"

 

[Aero_Hudson]

All religions have their own beliefs. Based on what I know of the Muslim faith, and that is very little, my understanding is that saving has nothing to do with it. Being saved is purely a Christian ideal the way I understand it.

Muslims believe that "Only those who endure to the end shall be saved" Just like Jesus said.

There is no arrogance such as saying as most Christians do "I know I'm saved" A Muslim will always assert "God willing"

Gotcha. That helps.

I would not call Christians arrogant in believing in this way. After all, our messiah states very clearly in the NT how to be saved. I feel that I am saved as a result of being a follower of Jesus as he says I will be.

 

[Elf]

I'm curious of how Muslims think they can be saved. Because they live sinful lives, do they think they can step outside God's holy law and find their own brand of righeousness? Jesus offered an alternative, having said that He is the way, the truth, and the life, and that nobody goes to the Father except through Him. He also said that if any man tries to enter Heaven by another door, he tries to enter Heaven like a thief. So how do Muslims claim righeousness, having rejected the Son?

Because they are deceived. Their father the devil has blinded their eyes.

 

[bodhitharta]

[quote="Aero_Hudson":189ctowx]All religions have their own beliefs. Based on what I know of the Muslim faith, and that is very little, my understanding is that saving has nothing to do with it. Being saved is purely a Christian ideal the way I understand it.

Muslims believe that "Only those who endure to the end shall be saved" Just like Jesus said.

There is no arrogance such as saying as most Christians do "I know I'm saved" A Muslim will always assert "God willing"

Gotcha. That helps.

I would not call Christians arrogant in believing in this way. After all, our messiah states very clearly in the NT how to be saved. I feel that I am saved as a result of being a follower of Jesus as he says I will be.[/quote:189ctowx]

Jesus says only those who endure to the end will be saved. Surely you don't believe that if you trurn away from God you will be saved, right?

 

[bodhitharta]

I'm curious of how Muslims think they can be saved. Because they live sinful lives, do they think they can step outside God's holy law and find their own brand of righeousness? Jesus offered an alternative, having said that He is the way, the truth, and the life, and that nobody goes to the Father except through Him. He also said that if any man tries to enter Heaven by another door, he tries to enter Heaven like a thief. So how do Muslims claim righeousness, having rejected the Son?

Because they are deceived. Their father the devil has blinded their eyes.

How is the devil their Father and how do you know that the devil is not your father since you are the accuser yourself? If God was your Father then you would love me but Satan has given you a self-righteous spirit.

 

[sk0rpi0n]

Those are basically to do with the religious beliefs/practises of muslim during his life. It covers faith and works. So When a person dies and when he is being judged, his beliefs and practises will influence whether or not he is saved. But broadly, Islam teaches that being saved depends on faith and works.

I ask you again ....

So you got to believe in the Six Doctrines of beliefs and Five Pillars of Islam practices to be saved ?

ummm....you need to believe them to start off as a muslim.
Being saved depends on faith and deeds. (which are covered in the doctrines and pillars)

 

[Elf]

I'm curious of how Muslims think they can be saved. Because they live sinful lives, do they think they can step outside God's holy law and find their own brand of righeousness? Jesus offered an alternative, having said that He is the way, the truth, and the life, and that nobody goes to the Father except through Him. He also said that if any man tries to enter Heaven by another door, he tries to enter Heaven like a thief. So how do Muslims claim righeousness, having rejected the Son?

Because they are deceived. Their father the devil has blinded their eyes.

How is the devil their Father and how do you know that the devil is not your father since you are the accuser yourself?

Your play on words does not prove anything. Read scripture, since it refers to and will answer your question.

If God was your Father then you would love me but Satan has given you a self-righteous spirit.

How do you distinguish between a self righteous spirit, and standing on biblical truths?


Curious have you read 2 Timothy 4? here are a few verses:
1I solemnly charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by His appearing and His kingdom:
2preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort, with great patience and instruction.
3For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires,
4and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths.

Are you suggesting that is I, reprove, rebuke, and exhort, I'm self righteous?


One verse you forgot is: 44"You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

But it is obvious we live in a sensitive world today.

The truth is hard to swallow.

 

[sk0rpi0n]

Because they are deceived. Their father the devil has blinded their eyes.

Your play on words does not prove anything. Read scripture, since it refers to and will answer your question.

Elf, Youre right. Word games dont really prove anything. Lets read the scripture.

Now...you say that muslims have been blinded by the devil. First, lets see what the Koran has to say about the devil.

O men! eat the lawful and good things out of what is in the earth, and do not follow the footsteps of the Shaitan; surely he is your open enemy.
-2:168

Looks like a warning against Satan. Now, just why would those blinded by the devil (as you say) have a warning against the devil?

Anyway...let us see what Jesus has to say when he was accused of being possessed....

So Jesus called them and spoke to them in parables: "How can Satan drive out Satan? If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. If a house is divided against itself, that house cannot stand. And if Satan opposes himself and is divided, he cannot stand; his end has come.
-Mark 3:22-26

According to scripture, which you suggested be read, Jesus teaches that Satan would not oppose himself...and it looks like Satan is being opposed in the Koran. So, if you believe that Jesus is correct, then the beliefs of Islam are not from Satan, because Satan would not oppose himself.

 

[bodhitharta]

Because they are deceived. Their father the devil has blinded their eyes.

Your play on words does not prove anything. Read scripture, since it refers to and will answer your question.

Elf, Youre right. Word games dont really prove anything. Lets read the scripture.

Now...you say that muslims have been blinded by the devil. First, lets see what the Koran has to say about the devil.

O men! eat the lawful and good things out of what is in the earth, and do not follow the footsteps of the Shaitan; surely he is your open enemy.
-2:168

Looks like a warning against Satan. Now, just why would those blinded by the devil (as you say) have a warning against the devil?

Anyway...let us see what Jesus has to say when he was accused of being possessed....

So Jesus called them and spoke to them in parables: "How can Satan drive out Satan? If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. If a house is divided against itself, that house cannot stand. And if Satan opposes himself and is divided, he cannot stand; his end has come.
-Mark 3:22-26

According to scripture, which you suggested be read, Jesus teaches that Satan would not oppose himself...and it looks like Satan is being opposed in the Koran. So, if you believe that Jesus is correct, then the beliefs of Islam are not from Satan, because Satan would not oppose himself.

2 words: SIMPLY EXCELLENT!

 

[bodhitharta]

Elf,

I ask you is this:

1I solemnly charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus

Is this written wrong? Should it say in the presence of God who is Christ Jesus?