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How does Jesus Feel About Remarrige

since i have been married and divorced due to sexual immorality on my part, this issue directly relates to me, and i have not made a decision on what i believe. i understand the perspective of both sides of this issue, as well as other facets that haven't been discussed in this topic so far.

i am curious what the Scriptural references are for the definition of a marriage, so that i can do a study. here are some initial questions i have:

does sexual intercourse constitute a physical 'marriage' of two people in Gods eyes? or does the Bible teach that a specific ceremony must take place?
if one was married & divorced while not a child of God, once they accept Jesus as their Savior, would it still be adultery if that person remarried? or does God allow that person to marry now that they are a complete person? (this answer may depend on how one feels the Bible defines marriage)
is marriage a picture of Christ & the church? if so, how would once reconcile their marriage, if their previous partner had already remarried?

thanks for your time.
 
Elijah_101 said:
If you would Go to Page 1 on this Post, and Read. all of your ?s will be answerd,
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can you point me to where you answered my last question about marriage being the picture of Christ & the church?

i'm guessing your stance is that sexual intercourse constitues a 'marriage'? the rest of the answers to my questions seems obvious with that standpoint, so here's a follow-up question:

why is the death of a spouse the one thing that can allow a person to remarry? and i don't think a simple, "because that's what the Bible says" answer is sufficient. God wants us to understand his ways, and understand the spirit of the matter, not just the letter of it. this is why Jesus said a man that looks after another woman and lusts, commits adultery. even just a thought about somebody who is not your spouse is guilty of adultery. anybody here want to say they've never had an impure thought about somebody else? so then if we've all been guilty of adultery, at least according to Jesus' definition, who then inherits the kingdom of Heaven?

the one main question i would like answered is WHY death is the only thing that can free someone from a marriage?
 
Under the Law, impure thoughts were the same as the sin. But under Grace not so, unless the thought becomes action.
This is where the implication, of being freed from law comes in the Bible. We would all be going to Hell, if not for the freedom from law, that is contrary to our nature. We all have a problem with thinking, and no one is innocent. Some covet, some steal, some murder, and some commit adultry.
Unfortunately enough impure thinking, will result in physical action, the results equal sin.

There was no Marriage ceremony in the Biblical times, just the marriage supper. The commitment, and the bonding of the two (intercourse) constituted the Marriage. Just as our commitment and bonding to Christ, equals our salvation. We commit to Christ, the Holy Spirit bonds with us (joins in union with our life).

Only in modern times has there been a ceremony, and that is an institution of man, and is unfortunately; for property and tax purposes. And it makes people feel legal about it.
 
samuel said:
Under the Law, impure thoughts were the same as the sin. But under Grace not so, unless the thought becomes action.
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Jesus said anyone who lusts has committed adultery and that anyone who marries someone who is divorced commits adultery. If, under grace, impure thoughts are no longer sin, then you should be consistent and say that remarriage after divorce isn't a sin. Actually, you could argue that nothing is a sin anymore.

I find it hypocritical that Christians argue to grace for so many things but then leave no room for grace in other things.
 
Elijah_101 said:
Thou Shalt not Commit Adultery is the 7th Commandment

Now when you Go out and Put Away your Wife or Husband, and you Marrie Another, You Do Commit Adultery, and you Break the 7th Commandment thou Shalt not Commit Adultery

Now who is True , Man , Or God?

Is not Marriage till Death do you Part? Death is the only Way to Break the Bond, God Joines you Togather when you Come one - Matt 19:6

Luke 16:18 Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from her husband committeth adultery.

And the Word of God Clearly tells us that if we Divorce , And Remarrie we Commit Adultery

And who ever Marries those that are Put Away Commits Adultery.
Matt 5:32 Matt 19:9 Mark 10:11 Luke 16:18

Romans 7:2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.

The bible Says if she Marries wile he is Alive she will be Called an Adulteress. If he is Dead she is no Adulteress

Romans 7:2 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.

Now in the Time of Old, They Could have more than one Wife, But now that Jesus Died, Jesus Fulfiled all of this this is Why the Word of God Says

the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
Acts 17:30
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So you choose simply to beleive God changed his mind in the issue of Divorce? How then is God the same as he was in the time of Moses?

I see Luke 16:18 as the best passage for your opinion, but even then there is room to interpret this text as the one who initiates the divorce to be the one who will later be in adultery.
 
A thought is thought, unless you put it into action. Remarrige is an action, not a thought. Did I not say under Grace, a thought not put into action was not sin, but when you put it into action it becomes sin. :yes
 
samuel said:
A thought is thought, unless you put it into action. Remarrige is an action, not a thought. Did I not say under Grace, a thought not put into action was not sin, but when you put it into action it becomes sin. :yes
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That is what you said but that does not make it true and I pointed out the inconsistency in that argument. What biblical basis do you have to sustain your argument?
 
Well, for the record, I'm not as hard on my divorced and remarried friends as I sound. Notice "friends" in the plural by the way. They know my position, but I don't beat on them up for this.

Even God got divorced from the house of Israel. (Jeremiah 3:8 and Isaiah 50:1). At least that was the only wife He divorced. The other wife (the Jews) were not divorced. However, God played it right. As Paul stated, as long as the spouse lives to remarry is adultery. In God's case, he did die breaking the marriage covenant---- in Christ. therefore, since a death is involved remarriage was permitted. Thus Paul could say in Romans 9:6 "For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel" IN other words, not those who appear to be Israelites are the only Israelites. There were other Israelites exiled, divorced to eventually be remarried. These would become the faith of Abraham with a new husband (these Israelites were thought of as Gentiles)

If nothing else, for those of you that divorced and remarried, I guess you could say that part of you has died---- that's one way around it if we need a reason. There must otherwise be some feeling of guilt which is why this subject gets brought up over and over again.
 
To listen to some of you, one would think that divorce and remarriage is the unpardonable sin. We must remember we are not under the old Mosiac Law anymore. When Jesus taught about this subject, He was responding under the Law. In 1 Cor. 7, this is why Paul said I not the Lord. And we know that Epistles do not contradict what is in the Gospels. Therefore, what Law are we under now? We are under the Law of Love. By this I mean, We can ask for forgiveness for a divorce, and can most certainly remarry. Hopefully, We marry with the God-Kind-Of Love, rather than just natural love. This God Love can never fail.


Peace, Golfjack
 
by Sha'zar on Sat Nov 22, 2008 9:36 am can you point me to where you answered my last question about marriage being the picture of Christ & the church?

i'm guessing your stance is that sexual intercourse constitues a 'marriage'? the rest of the answers to my questions seems obvious with that standpoint, so here's a follow-up question:

why is the death of a spouse the one thing that can allow a person to remarry? and i don't think a simple, "because that's what the Bible says" answer is sufficient. God wants us to understand his ways, and understand the spirit of the matter, not just the letter of it. this is why Jesus said a man that looks after another woman and lusts, commits adultery. even just a thought about somebody who is not your spouse is guilty of adultery. anybody here want to say they've never had an impure thought about somebody else? so then if we've all been guilty of adultery, at least according to Jesus' definition, who then inherits the kingdom of Heaven?

the one main question i would like answered is WHY death is the only thing that can free someone from a marriage?
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And Jacob served seven years for Rachel; and they seemed unto him but a few days, for the love he had to her. 21 And Jacob said unto Laban, Give me my wife, for my days are fulfilled, that I may go in unto her. 22 And Laban gathered together all the men of the place, and made a feast. 23 And it came to pass in the evening, that he took Leah his daughter, and brought her to him; and he went in unto her.
Gen 29:20-23

And she gave him Bilhah her handmaid to wife: and Jacob went in unto her.Gen 30:4

In the Old Testament, they could have more than One Wife, When Jesus Died, He Fulfiled this as it is Written And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent
Acts 17:30

Gen 2:24 - Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.25 And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.

You See? were is the Man that Marries you? Were is the Church they Got married in? Were is the Marriage License? God marries you not Man When you Leave your Father and your Mother and Cleave to your wife and you COME ONE with her YOUR MARRIED, God Joined you TOGATHER and it is till DEATH do you PART

You are Bound by Gods LAW as Long as one or the Other is ALIVE Romans 7:2

Matt 19:4- Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, 5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
Matt 19:6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

The Word of God Tells us, What God Joined togather Let not Man Put asunder, So the Husband or the Wife divorces one or the Other Matt 19:9 Jesus says Even for the Cause of Fornication and shall marrie another Commits Adultery, and who so Marries her that is Put away commits adultery,

So who ever marries Marries - they Break the 7th Commandment Because God joined you Togather, This is why it is Death do you Part, Even when People get married by there tradition ,they take a Vow Till Death do you Part

Matt 19:6, Thy Shalt not Commit Adultery - Mark 10:19, Because the Partner is Alive, The Word of God Clearly Says if you break one Point of the Law, which is the Commandments, your Guilty of the Whole, Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law1 John 3:4

see James 2:10-11 , For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. 11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.


And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
Romans 12:2

That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts; 23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind; 24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness
Eph 4:22-24

And of some have compassion, making a difference: 23 And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh. 24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy, 25 To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.
Jude 1:22-25
 
golfjack said:
To listen to some of you, one would think that divorce and remarriage is the unpardonable sin. We must remember we are not under the old Mosiac Law anymore. When Jesus taught about this subject, He was responding under the Law. In 1 Cor. 7, this is why Paul said I not the Lord. And we know that Epistles do not contradict what is in the Gospels. Therefore, what Law are we under now? We are under the Law of Love. By this I mean, We can ask for forgiveness for a divorce, c This God Love can never fail.


Peace, Golfjack
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golfjack said:
We must remember we are not under the old Mosiac Law anymore. When Jesus taught about this subject, He was responding under the Law. Therefore, what Law are we under now? We are under the Law of Love.
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if you Sin you Transgresseth the Law 1 John 3:4 , Does not the Word of God tell us that the Law is not made for the Righteous, But for Sinners 1 Tim 1:9 !

Now we know that the Law is not made for the Righteous,

But is your Righteousness the Same as God? Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.1 John 3:7, We know that God will not Sin? this is why the Law is not made for the Righteous, What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. Romans 6:14-

golfjack said:
and can most certainly remarry. Hopefully, We marry with the God-Kind-Of Love, rather than just natural love.
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That is not what Jesus said

Mark 10:11-And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her.

12 And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery.

Luke 16:18 Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery:

and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from her husband committeth adultery.

Romans 7:2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.

The bible Says if she Marries wile he is Alive she will be Called an Adulteress. If he is Dead she is no Adulteress

Romans 7:2 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man,
she shall be called an adulteress:

but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.

Agin Gods word says the Same

1 Cor 7:39 The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband liveth; but if her husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she will; only in the Lord.
 
And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.
Matt 19:9

This is Why Jesus says (Except) If there is No Fornication...You cannot get a Divorce.

If you put away your wife and Remarry..you commit Adultery against your Wife....Mark 10:12

And you cause her to commit Adultery..Matthew 5:32

And if any one marrys That Women thats been Put away Commits adultery Matt 19:9

whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.
Matt 5:32

Causes Jesus Little ones to Fall....Luke 17:1-2

It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones.

Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery:

And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery. Mark 10:12

and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from her husband committeth adultery.
Luke 16:18

You cannot Remarry at all as long as they are ALIVE

if you do you commit adultery...

Again

For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.

So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man,

((she shall be called an adulteress)):

but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.

Romans 7:2-
 
Blazin Bones said:
The man is unfaithful and he divorces his wife. If she re-marries is she in sin?
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She can divorce him but should not remarry unless he dies.

The man is abusive and his wife divorces him, is she in sin?[/color]
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I believe you should just separate and not divorce. Jesus would not tell her to stay in abusive marriage. It does not good for anyone including their kids if they have them.

We should use common sense too.
 
Elijah_101 said:
The bible Says if she Marries wile he is Alive she will be Called an Adulteress. If he is Dead she is no Adulteress

Romans 7:2 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man,
she shall be called an adulteress:

but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.

Agin Gods word says the Same

1 Cor 7:39 The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband liveth; but if her husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she will; only in the Lord.
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Firstly Romans there ISNT about marriage..its about the transition from the old covenant to the new....talk about ripping things OUT of CONTEXT.

Secondly Paul was speaking to those who 'know the law'...the Mosaic law.
Those who KNOW the LAW would KNOW that there IS provision IN the law for divorcing WITHOUT the death of the spouse ...Deut 24:1-4....so something about this passage you seem to believe is quite fallacious.

Thirdly, NO divorce is mentioned there.
While a MAN could take more than one wife, if a woman was still married and joined herself to another man she WOULD be committing adultery....women were not allowed multiple husbands.
READERS SEE->Click->>> "Bound by Law" (Romans 7, 1 Cor 7:39)
 
Blazin Bones said:
So you choose simply to beleive God changed his mind in the issue of Divorce? How then is God the same as he was in the time of Moses?

I see Luke 16:18 as the best passage for your opinion, but even then there is room to interpret this text as the one who initiates the divorce to be the one who will later be in adultery.
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The real issue is that the text doesnt actually show that anyone is 'in' adultery....only that it is committed, present tense, at the time of the frivolous divorce to remarry.
Christs words in this particular matter are in the Present Indicative and that is the LAST choice to show anything ongoing from my understanding of the matter.
READERS SEE->Click->>> “Committeth adultery†The Present Indicative deception

The greek has very few options in the Present tense, from what Ive understood. And there are easier ways to show that some 'perpetual' issue of adultery existed...such as simply not using the Indicative form of the Present...
Based on that sort of evidence and others such as NO remarrieds being instructed to put away their marriages, such as we see example of in Ezra where men WERE unlawfully marrieds and DID need to put away these marriages, its easily discerned that no 'state' of adultery is being spoken of by Christ but simply that it is committed at the point in time that it happens. :)
 
caromurp said:
Do you have that same kind of searing conscience, having looked at a woman who is not your wife in lust? No man or woman can say that they have not done that at one time in their lives, and Jesus said that if we look at another person and lust after them in our hearts we have committed adultery. As God allowed Moses to give a law permitting divorce, I cannot agree that it is wrong in all circumstances. God would not sanctify any law that He did not give himself. :)
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And He Himself GAVE a writ of divorced to Israel and then later ended that covenant with her.
Where divorce is justified God Himself permits it...even if He hates it.
:)

READERS SEE->Click->>> What is putting away/divorce-When is a marriage dissolved

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