How many YHWHs are there?

[jocor]

Scripture says there is only one, the Father. I will use “Yahweh” in place of “YHWH”. Here are some Scriptures that I base my beliefs on. They are all quotes from the KJV with “Yahweh” replacing “the LORD” and "God"replaced by "Mighty One" or "Elohim".

1. "Now therefore, O Yahweh our Mighty One, I beseech thee, save thou us out of his hand, that all the kingdoms of the earth may know that thou art Yahweh Elohim, even thou only" (II Kgs.19:19)

2. "Thou, even thou art Yahweh alone; . . ." (Ne.9:6)

3. "That men may know that thou, whose name alone is Yahweh, art the most high over all the earth" (Ps.83:18)

4. " . . .that all the kingdoms of the earth may know that thou art Yahweh, even thou only" (Isa.37:20)

5. "I am Yahweh, and there is none else. . ." (Isa.45:5)

6. "That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am Yahweh, and there is none else" (Isa.45:6)

7. "For thus saith Yahweh that created the heavens; . . .I am Yahweh; and there is none else" (Isa.45:18)

8. "And Yahweh shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Yahweh, and His name one" (Zech. 14:9)

9. "Hear, O Israel: Yahweh our Mighty One is one Yahweh" (De.6:4)​

Each of the verses above are didactic, that is, they clearly instruct us. From these verses, we are to learn that, at the time the verses were spoken/written, there was no other being in the universe that bore the name "Yahweh" except the subject addressed. Hezekiah, Nehemiah, Asaph, Isaiah, Zechariah, Moses, and Yahweh Himself understood this crucial fact.

Therefore, any verses that seem to suggest Messiah Yeshua was called “Yahweh” must be understood in light of these verses.

 

[JLB]

I say there is only one, the Father. I will use “Yahweh” in place of “YHWH”. Here are some Scriptures that I base my beliefs on. They are all quotes from the KJV with “Yahweh” replacing “the LORD” and "God"replaced by "Mighty One" or "Elohim".

1. "Now therefore, O Yahweh our Mighty One, I beseech thee, save thou us out of his hand, that all the kingdoms of the earth may know that thou art Yahweh Elohim, even thou only" (II Kgs.19:19)

2. "Thou, even thou art Yahweh alone; . . ." (Ne.9:6)

3. "That men may know that thou, whose name alone is Yahweh, art the most high over all the earth" (Ps.83:18)

4. " . . .that all the kingdoms of the earth may know that thou art Yahweh, even thou only" (Isa.37:20)

5. "I am Yahweh, and there is none else. . ." (Isa.45:5)

6. "That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am Yahweh, and there is none else" (Isa.45:6)

7. "For thus saith Yahweh that created the heavens; . . .I am Yahweh; and there is none else" (Isa.45:18)

8. "And Yahweh shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Yahweh, and His name one" (Zech. 14:9)

9. "Hear, O Israel: Yahweh our Mighty One is one Yahweh" (De.6:4)​

Each of the verses above are didactic, that is, they clearly instruct us. From these verses, we are to learn that, at the time the verses were spoken/written, there was no other being in the universe that bore the name "Yahweh" except the subject addressed. Hezekiah, Nehemiah, Asaph, Isaiah, Zechariah, Moses, and Yahweh Himself understood this crucial fact.

Therefore, any verses that seem to suggest Messiah Yeshua was called “Yahweh” must be understood in light of these verses.

Any verses that seem to suggest that Jesus is not YHWH, must be understood in light of this verse.

7 For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one. 1 John 5:7

16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory.
1 Timothy 3:16

I, even I, am the Lord, And besides Me there is no savior. Isaiah 43:11

10 "And I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplication; then they will look on Me whom they pierced. Yes, they will mourn for Him as one mourns for his only son, and grieve for Him as one grieves for a firstborn. Zechariah 12:10

Who is speaking in Zechariah 12?

YHWH! 1 The burden of the word of the Lord against Israel. Thus says the Lord, who stretches out the heavens, lays the foundation of the earth, and forms the spirit of man within him:


There are many many more!


JLB

 

[jocor]

JLB, I am not getting into a discussion of the trinity or oneness doctrines. If you have Scriptural evidence showing the name YHWH was used of the Son, present it.

 

[JLB]

JLB, I am not getting into a discussion of the trinity or oneness doctrines. If you have Scriptural evidence showing the name YHWH was used of the Son, present it.

I'm not discussing Trinity or Oneness.

If you see the word Trinity or Oneness in my post then present it.

If not, then, these are the scriptures I have presented.

Who is speaking through the Prophet Zechariah?

10 "And I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplication; then they will look on Me whom they pierced. Yes, they will mourn for Him as one mourns for his only son, and grieve for Him as one grieves for a firstborn. Zechariah 12:10


Please answer my question.


JLB

 

[follower]

too simple really. the Jews, to whom Yhwh entrusted Scripture and through whom Yhwh brought salvation to mankind (even some gentiles!), all know from 3rd grade onward, give or take some, (when they receive training in Scripture),
that Yhwh and Yeshua are One, and that Yhwh is not Yeshua, Yeshua is not Yhwh.
simple.
but man always messes with it.

 

[jocor]

All the verses you have presented are used to prove that Yeshua is YHWH (oneness doctrine). Therefore, I will not answer your question until a moderator gives me permission to oppose such a doctrine. I have no desire to be thrown off this forum for opposing Christian doctrine.

 

[JLB]

All the verses you have presented are used to prove that Yeshua is YHWH (oneness doctrine). Therefore, I will not answer your question until a moderator gives me permission to oppose such a doctrine. I have no desire to be thrown off this forum for opposing Christian doctrine.

I will remain in the world no longer, but they are still in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, protect them by the power of your name--the name you gave me--so that they may be one as we are one. John 17:11

YHWH - YeHoWsHuwa = Jesus


Joshua = Yĕhowshuwa`- Strong’s Number: 3091

JLB

 

[JLB]

Jesus means The Lord Savior.

Both God the Father and The Lord Jesus are refereed to as God and Savior.

Again my claim is not Oneness or Trinity, but Jesus is the Son of god and has the same Name.

They have the Name above every Name.

Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ, by the commandment of God our Savior and the Lord Jesus Christ, our hope, 1 Timothy 1:1


...looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, Titus 2:13



4 But when the kindness and the love of God our Savior toward man appeared, 5 not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit, 6 whom He poured out on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior, Titus 3:4

 

[jocor]

I will remain in the world no longer, but they are still in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, protect them by the power of your name--the name you gave me--so that they may be one as we are one. John 17:11

YHWH - YeHoWsHuwa = Jesus


Joshua = Yĕhowshuwa`- Strong’s Number: 3091

JLB

I believe that translation of John 17:11 to be incorrect. Here is how the KJV reads:

John 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

YeHoWsHuwa? Clever, but false. Joshua's name was YeHoshua. However, there is no proof that the Savior's name is spelled either of those ways. Both Yehoshua and Yeshua were both translated "Iesous" in Greek. Since Matthew 1:21 says the Savior's name means "he will save", not YHWH will save and since Strong's says "Jeshua" means "he will save", "yeshua" would be more fitting. Also, "Yeshua" is a closer transliteration of "Iesous" than "Yehoshua".

 

[jocor]

Jesus means The Lord Savior.

Both God the Father and The Lord Jesus are refereed to as God and Savior.

Again my claim is not Oneness or Trinity, but Jesus is the Son of god and has the same Name.

They have the Name above every Name.

Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ, by the commandment of God our Savior and the Lord Jesus Christ, our hope, 1 Timothy 1:1


...looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, Titus 2:13



4 But when the kindness and the love of God our Savior toward man appeared, 5 not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit, 6 whom He poured out on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior, Titus 3:4

None of the verses you gave say the Father and Son have the same name. You can argue that the Father's name is in the Son's name as in your erroneous example "YeHoWsHuwa", however, "Yehowshuwa" is not the same as "YHWH" (Yahweh).

 

[Sinthesis]

Like it or not, this thread is a perfect example of humanity's inability to fully comprehend The Trinity, and our exasperation over that fact.

 

[jocor]

Like it or not, this thread is a perfect example of humanity's inability to fully comprehend The Trinity, and our exasperation over that fact.

This thread was meant to glorify our Father Yahweh. His name is wrongly being applied to His Son which leads to the Son receiving glory for the things the Father has done. I will make an attempt to right that wrong. Whoever has ears to hear, let him hear.

 

[Sinthesis]

This thread was meant to glorify our Father Yahweh. His name is wrongly being applied to His Son which leads to the Son receiving glory for the things the Father has done. I will make an attempt to right that wrong. Whoever has ears to hear, let him hear.

The Father loves the Son. The Father doesn't care if His Son receives undue glory from us because it is as nothing compared to the glory the Father has given Jesus. There is no wrong to be righted. Any attempt to glorify the Father at the expense of the Son is folly, for the Son has glorified the Father beyond anything we can attempt on our own.

 

[jasonc]

the YHWH isn't the father. if He is then how can Jesus no man hath seen the father in heaven nor his shape? and moses saw the back side of the YHWH pass by and also visions of the YHWH were also seen by Daniel, Isaiah, Ezekiel. therefor the YHWH is the SON. that in no way denies the triune nature of GOD just that He operates in such unity that one can speak for the others. ie the son said IF you have seen me you have seen the father. are we to believe that Jesus in bodily form is what God the father looked like? certainly NOT. that is in reference to this. YOU have seen how I act.love , that is what the father is! that and paul said that son is the bodily form of the godhead. he represents them.

 

[JLB]

I believe that translation of John 17:11 to be incorrect. Here is how the KJV reads:

John 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

YeHoWsHuwa? Clever, but false. Joshua's name was YeHoshua. However, there is no proof that the Savior's name is spelled either of those ways. Both Yehoshua and Yeshua were both translated "Iesous" in Greek. Since Matthew 1:21 says the Savior's name means "he will save", not YHWH will save and since Strong's says "Jeshua" means "he will save", "yeshua" would be more fitting. Also, "Yeshua" is a closer transliteration of "Iesous" than "Yehoshua".

I never never would have guessed; "it's the translation"

Answer me this; when man begets, he begets man

When God begets, why would He not beget God?

What does God Beget?

JLB

 

[JLB]

This thread was meant to glorify our Father Yahweh. His name is wrongly being applied to His Son which leads to the Son receiving glory for the things the Father has done. I will make an attempt to right that wrong. Whoever has ears to hear, let him hear.

You do not Glorify God, unless you honor the Son, just as you Honor the Father.

22 For the Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment to the Son, 23 that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him. John 5:22-23

If we worship God the Father, we also should worship the Son.



JLB

 

[jocor]

The Father loves the Son. The Father doesn't care if His Son receives undue glory from us because it is as nothing compared to the glory the Father has given Jesus. There is no wrong to be righted. Any attempt to glorify the Father at the expense of the Son is folly, for the Son has glorified the Father beyond anything we can attempt on our own.

Isa 42:8 I am Yahweh: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.

 

[JLB]

Isa 42:8 I am Yahweh: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.

That's Jesus. Our Savior.

11 I, even I, am the Lord, And besides Me there is no savior. Isaiah 43:11


JLB

 

[jocor]

the YHWH isn't the father.

Psalm 2:7; "I will declare the decree: Yahweh hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee."

 

[jocor]

I never never would have guessed; "it's the translation"

Answer me this; when man begets, he begets man

When God begets, why would He not beget God?

What does God Beget?

JLB

Man begets man through procreation. Yahweh did not procreate with a Goddess to beget a God. He didn't procreate with Miriam either.