How many YHWHs are there?

[jocor]

You do not Glorify God, unless you honor the Son, just as you Honor the Father.

22 For the Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment to the Son, 23 that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him. John 5:22-23

If we worship God the Father, we also should worship the Son.

JLB

I agree, but how did you jump from "honor" to "worship"?

 

[jasonc]

Psalm 2:7; "I will declare the decree: Yahweh hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee."

ok, and the YHWH said to my lord sit her until thine enemies be thy footstool. yet. yeshu means yah saves.

moses saw whom?

18 And he saith, `Shew me, I pray Thee, Thine honour;'
19 and He saith, `I cause all My goodness to pass before thy face, and have called concerning the Name of Jehovah before thee, and favoured him whom I favour, and loved him whom I love.'
20 He saith also, `Thou art unable to see My face, for man doth not see Me, and live;'
21 Jehovah also saith, `Lo, a place [is] by Me, and thou hast stood on the rock,
22 and it hath come to pass, in the passing by of Mine honour, that I have set thee in a cleft of the rock, and spread out My hands over thee, until My passing by,
23 and I have turned aside My hands, and thou hast seen My back parts, and My face is not seen

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ylt version. that is the YHWH. now then lets compare to the statements of jesus. but first I will say this about john 1

in the beginning was the the meriba, and the meriba was with the Heshem, and the meriba was Heshem. that is a the way a Hebrew then would see that as in the targum the Hebrew replace the name of God with meriba or WORD. that goes back to genesis.

but its gets better.
john 6 ylt

46 not that any one hath seen the Father, except he who is from God, he hath seen the Father

 

[jocor]

That's Jesus. Our Savior.

11 I, even I, am the Lord, And besides Me there is no savior. Isaiah 43:11


JLB

Explain Psalm 2:7 if YHWH is the Son. Are you actually trying to teach me that the Father is the Son and the Son is the Father???

 

[jocor]

[QUOTE="jocor, post: Yahweh did not procreate with a Goddess to beget a God. He didn't procreate with Miriam either.

Chapter and verse please.[/QUOTE]

Surely you jest.

 

[JLB]

Yahweh did not procreate with a Goddess to beget a God. He didn't procreate with Miriam either.

Chapter and verse

 

[JLB]

Explain Psalm 2:7 if YHWH is the Son. Are you actually trying to teach me that the Father is the Son and the Son is the Father???

The Son has the same name as the Father.

That is what I'm saying.

 

[jocor]

ok, and the YHWH said to my lord sit her until thine enemies be thy footstool. yet. yeshu means yah saves.

Yeshua means "he will save". Psalm 110:1 is another verse that clearly has YHWH talking to His Son. The Son is NOT YHWH.

moses saw whom?
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ylt version. that is the YHWH. now then lets compare to the statements of jesus. but first I will say this about john 1

in the beginning was the the meriba, and the meriba was with the Heshem, and the meriba was Heshem. that is a the way a Hebrew then would see that as in the targum the Hebrew replace the name of God with meriba or WORD. that goes back to genesis.

but its gets better.
john 6 ylt

Excuse my ignorance, but I am unfamiliar with the word "meriba". The Hebrew uses "dabar" for "word".

 

[jocor]

The Son has the same name as the Father.

That is what I'm saying.

You are saying more than that. You are applying verses talking about Father Yahweh to His Son Yeshua. For example, you erroneously applied Isaiah 43:11 to the Son. If both have the name YHWH, how do you know who is being referred to?

 

[JLB]

You are saying more than that. You are applying verses talking about Father Yahweh to His Son Yeshua. For example, you erroneously applied Isaiah 43:11 to the Son. If both have the name YHWH, how do you know who is being referred to?

Who raised Jesus from the dead?


JLB

 

[jasonc]

Yeshua means "he will save". Psalm 110:1 is another verse that clearly has YHWH talking to His Son. The Son is NOT YHWH.



Excuse my ignorance, but I am unfamiliar with the word "meriba". The Hebrew uses "dabar" for "word".

its the word for the name of god as in spoken. let see a commentary shall show it. the son isn't yhwh. in that chapter but adonai. its not captilized

actually hoshea, yehoshua which would be the name of the lord not yeshua as that is modern Hebrew rendering. my grandson's name is Joshua. so I looked up all the names in Hebrew for it. hosea, hoshea, and yeshu, the yeshua is a jewish way of saying that is a pejorative way is jesus. he would be closest to yehoshua. or yeshu. it means yah saves.

its memra. but from matthew henry. it still makes my point.

I. Of whom he speaks--The Word--ho logos. This is an idiom peculiar to John's writings. See 1 John 1:1,5:7; Revelation 19:13. Yet some think that Christ is meant by the Word in Acts 20:32; Hebrews 4:12; Luke 1:2. The Chaldee paraphrase very frequently calls the Messiah Memra--the Word of Jehovah, and speaks of many things in the Old Testament, said to be done by the Lord, as done by that Word of the Lord. Even the vulgar Jews were taught that the Word of God was the same with God. The evangelist, in the close of his discourse (John 1:18), plainly tells us why he calls Christ the Word--because he is the only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, and has declared him. Word is two-fold: logos endiathetos--word conceived and logos prophorikos--word uttered. The logos ho eso and ho exo, ratio and oratio--intelligence and utterance. 1. There is the word conceived, that is, thought, which is the first and only immediate product and conception of the soul (all the operations of which are performed by thought), and it is one with the soul. And thus the second person in the Trinity is fitly called the Word for he is the first-begotten of the Father, that eternal essential Wisdom which the Lord possessed, as the soul does its thought, in the beginning of his way, Proverbs 8:22. There is nothing we are more sure of than that we think, yet nothing we are more in the dark about than how we think who can declare the generation of thought in the soul? Surely then the generations and births of the eternal mind may well be allowed to be great mysteries of godliness, the bottom of which we cannot fathom, while yet we adore the depth. 2. There is the word uttered, and this is speech, the chief and most natural indication of the mind. And thus Christ is the Word, for by him God has in these last days spoken to us (Hebrews 1:2), and has directed us to hear him, Matthew 17:5. He has made known God's mind to us, as a man's word or speech makes known his thoughts, as far as he pleases, and no further. Christ is called that wonderful speaker (see notes on Daniel 8:13), the speaker of things hidden and strange. He is the Word speaking from God to us, and to God for us. John Baptist was the voice, but Christ the Word: being the Word, he is the Truth, the Amen, the faithful Witness of the mind of God.

aramiac is akin to Hebrew so likely a similar word for that is to be found.

 

[jasonc]

besides tell me which of the three did moses actually see? the father? the son or the holy spirit? given john 6:46 what is your answer?

 

[jocor]

Who raised Jesus from the dead?


JLB

Acts 5:30 The God of our fathers raised up Yeshua, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.

Acts 13:33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Yeshua again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.

The Father, the God of the father's, raised up His Son Yeshua. Therefore, Yeshua is NOT the God of our fathers. Throughout the OT, the God of our fathers was YHWH. Therefore, Yeshua is NOT YHWH.

 

[jasonc]

Acts 5:30 The God of our fathers raised up Yeshua, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.

Acts 13:33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Yeshua again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.

The Father, the God of the father's, raised up His Son Yeshua. Therefore, Yeshua is NOT the God of our fathers. Throughout the OT, the God of our fathers was YHWH. Therefore, Yeshua is NOT YHWH.

again, that isn't going to work. whom did moses see? you cant cherry pick this stuff. I never said in all places that the YHWH is the son. I said that the son has that name as well. to clarify. I believe most of the usages of the Heshem are for the son not the father. simply put whenever God, beit the son, the holy spirit is mentioned or the father the Name of God is used. is YHWH the only name of God? NO. Abraham called that God of his el-shaddai.

 

[jocor]

its the word for the name of god as in spoken. let see a commentary shall show it. the son isn't yhwh. in that chapter but adonai. its not captilized

actually hoshea, yehoshua which would be the name of the lord not yeshua as that is modern Hebrew rendering. my grandson's name is Joshua. so I looked up all the names in Hebrew for it. hosea, hoshea, and yeshu, the yeshua is a jewish way of saying that is a pejorative way is jesus. he would be closest to yehoshua. or yeshu. it means yah saves.

its memra. but from matthew henry. it still makes my point. aramiac is akin to Hebrew so likely a similar word for that is to be found.

See post #9

 

[jocor]

besides tell me which of the three did moses actually see? the father? the son or the holy spirit? given john 6:46 what is your answer?

He saw the Father's glory as He passed by. He did not see the Father.

 

[jocor]

again, that isn't going to work. whom did moses see? you cant cherry pick this stuff. I never said in all places that the YHWH is the son. I said that the son has that name as well. to clarify. I believe most of the usages of the Heshem are for the son not the father. simply put whenever God, beit the son, the holy spirit is mentioned or the father the Name of God is used. is YHWH the only name of God? NO. Abraham called that God of his el-shaddai.

I answered your question about who raised Yeshua with Scripture. I can't help it if that doesn't work for you. Show me verses where the Son bears the name YHWH. Don't show me verses where you read the Son into verses talking about the Father.

 

[jasonc]

He saw the Father's glory as He passed by. He did not see the Father.

uhm he saw his shape. if I see your back, the bible says no man hath seen the father at all not just parts. sorry epic fail. If I say to a friend I saw you walking by and from your back, I can because I know you make out your gait. I can say I saw you. that is exactly what moses could say. he saw GOD. if god in that context is father then jesus was wrong. we both know that cant be.

 

[jasonc]

I answered your question about who raised Yeshua with Scripture. I can't help it if that doesn't work for you. Show me verses where the Son bears the name YHWH. Don't show me verses where you read the Son into verses talking about the Father.

and am in the good shepherd. that in Hebrew goes back to when?the angel unto the lord whom YHWH said I put my name into him.

oh I can run on this. ok if the YHWH is only person on the throne(moses was the only one to see the YHWH) but Daniel, and Isaiah they all describe nearly the same. ok if revalation Is about jesus only, then what did john see? the father on the throne as the others describe him on the throne and the name YHWH is used. again if no man hath seen the father, which must include visions then what they did they see?

 

[Free]

Scripture says there is only one, the Father. I will use “Yahweh” in place of “YHWH”. Here are some Scriptures that I base my beliefs on. They are all quotes from the KJV with “Yahweh” replacing “the LORD” and "God"replaced by "Mighty One" or "Elohim".

1. "Now therefore, O Yahweh our Mighty One, I beseech thee, save thou us out of his hand, that all the kingdoms of the earth may know that thou art Yahweh Elohim, even thou only" (II Kgs.19:19)

2. "Thou, even thou art Yahweh alone; . . ." (Ne.9:6)

3. "That men may know that thou, whose name alone is Yahweh, art the most high over all the earth" (Ps.83:18)

4. " . . .that all the kingdoms of the earth may know that thou art Yahweh, even thou only" (Isa.37:20)

5. "I am Yahweh, and there is none else. . ." (Isa.45:5)

6. "That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am Yahweh, and there is none else" (Isa.45:6)

7. "For thus saith Yahweh that created the heavens; . . .I am Yahweh; and there is none else" (Isa.45:18)

8. "And Yahweh shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Yahweh, and His name one" (Zech. 14:9)

9. "Hear, O Israel: Yahweh our Mighty One is one Yahweh" (De.6:4)​

Each of the verses above are didactic, that is, they clearly instruct us. From these verses, we are to learn that, at the time the verses were spoken/written, there was no other being in the universe that bore the name "Yahweh" except the subject addressed. Hezekiah, Nehemiah, Asaph, Isaiah, Zechariah, Moses, and Yahweh Himself understood this crucial fact.

Therefore, any verses that seem to suggest Messiah Yeshua was called “Yahweh” must be understood in light of these verses.

These verses are simply statements of monotheism and say nothing of the nature of God.

 

[jocor]

uhm he saw his shape. if I see your back, the bible says no man hath seen the father at all not just parts. sorry epic fail. If I say to a friend I saw you walking by and from your back, I can because I know you make out your gait. I can say I saw you. that is exactly what moses could say. he saw GOD. if god in that context is father then jesus was wrong. we both know that cant be.

Exo 33:18 And he said, I beseech thee, shew me thy glory.
Exo 33:22 And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by:
Exo 33:23 And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen.

Yahweh is a spirit emanating with glory. He saw the back of that glory. He certainly did not see His face or His shape.