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How powerfull is our imagnation?

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johnny botwright

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If we imagine something according to Gods will, can we pray it into being?

God says he will do above and beyond all we ask or imagine.

Yongi Chow rights in his book, the fourth dimension, how he prayed for a bike a chair and a table,
God tolled him to be more precise, what kind of bike,
ok an american bike, red in colour,
sure enough he got his bike, chair and table, and went on to build the largest church, congregation in the world.
in South Korea, 200.000

i know to it would seem people have lost the ability to imagine for their own situation and development, and our imaginenation is bombarded with advertisment, films, vidoes ect.

like wise the art of contemplation, prayer, to many distractions, not enough hours in the day, to feed their spirit.

if used as it should, how power full and creative can imagination be?

johnny
 
All they that be fat upon earth shall eat and worship: all they that go down to the dust shall bow before him: and none can keep alive his own soul.

"Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black"

If men can move mountains by asking of God according to his will, know that it is not by the (non) power of the feeble imagination of man; but by the hand of God that all things are performed. The human will has no more power in and of itself than that of the voice. Now the voice holds no intrinsic power, but the word of authority translates into power through action; so the will of man is transferred into powerful motion through the authorization of the will of God.
 
To know the mind of Christ, to be moved in our spirit by Gods spirit, to be able to know and fellowship with our heavely father, to become christ like, the hope of glory, Jesus in our hearts, to know Gods fullness, we are a wonderful creation, the mind the imagination, how can you say that what Gods has created, and gifted us, with is feeble. i would think again, God has given us the gift, to be able to create,
change situations, move mountains, its understanding the gift, and putting to good use, for the glory of God. by Gods grace and by his spirit.

Oats the proof is in the eating, if you are the son of God prove it, Jesus did not rise to such challenges, from men, or from satan, but every where he went, lives where changed.
he often with drew into the mountains to have quality time with the Father, in prayer, like yongi chow we have to start where a faith is, and go on from there,with the help of Gods spirit, the proof will be in the out come , as also how creative we can become, again God can do above and beyond all we ask or imagine, having the right vision, asking the right questions, requests.

i heard a story once of a women whose daughter hoplesly lost in drugs and prostitution, her pastor said, try and see your daughter saved transformed, not where she is at the moment, but where she could be,
the women applied this to her prayers, and it came to pass.
johnny
 
johnny botwright said:
To know the mind of Christ, to be moved in our spirit by Gods spirit, to be able to know and fellowship with our heavely father, to become christ like, the hope of glory, Jesus in our hearts, to know Gods fullness, we are a wonderful creation, the mind the imagination, how can you say that what Gods has created, and gifted us, with is feeble. i would think again, God has given us the gift, to be able to create,
change situations, move mountains, its understanding the gift, and putting to good use, for the glory of God. by Gods grace and by his spirit.

Oats the proof is in the eating, if you are the son of God prove it, Jesus did not rise to such challenges, from men, or from satan, but every where he went, lives where changed.
he often with drew into the mountains to have quality time with the Father, in prayer, like yongi chow we have to start where a faith is, and go on from there,with the help of Gods spirit, the proof will be in the out come , as also how creative we can become, again God can do above and beyond all we ask or imagine, having the right vision, asking the right questions, requests.

i heard a story once of a women whose daughter hoplesly lost in drugs and prostitution, her pastor said, try and see your daughter saved transformed, not where she is at the moment, but where she could be,
the women applied this to her prayers, and it came to pass.
johnny
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Isn't that called faith Johnny??
 
a good point im sure there are times different elements over lap, you could have the faith to pray for some ones healing say, and lay hands on them , you may or may not visulize them healed, or even use your imagination, you are asking and imparting a gift of healing, by faith.

my theme is if we allowed the holy spirit to help us use our imagination as we could, can, what part would our imagination play, how powerful would our imagination be, we have been given imagination, for a reason, using it as it should be used , under standing the gift/s we have been given , and putting them to good and effective use.

im only at the tip of the ice berg, hence asking other peoples opinon, experence, insight , wisdom,

i feel there is some thing to be learned if we can put our finger on it.
where imagination is concerned, and how it may be used fully.
cultivated?

johnny
 
johnny botwright said:
a good point im sure there are times different elements over lap, you could have the faith to pray for some ones healing say, and lay hands on them , you may or may not visulize them healed, or even use your imagination, you are asking and imparting a gift of healing, by faith.

my theme is if we allowed the holy spirit to help us use our imagination as we could, can, what part would our imagination play, how powerful would our imagination be, we have been given imagination, for a reason, using it as it should be used , under standing the gift/s we have been given , and putting them to good and effective use.

im only at the tip of the ice berg, hence asking other peoples opinon, experence, insight , wisdom,

i feel there is some thing to be learned if we can put our finger on it.
where imagination is concerned, and how it may be used fully.
cultivated?

johnny
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Is this biblical? It seems very interesting by the way...
 
you mentioned faith, some one eles reply, speaks of their imagination and faith go hand in hand in their prayers.
coming back to, God can do above and beyond all we ask or imagine.

so my answer would be yes, but like any thing, spirit led, if the Holy Spirit can put things on our heart to pray for, for instance, bring things to our attension, why not visual also, tune our imagination.

God has gone to great detail, in creation, how blessed to have sight, and to be able to see the wonders of creation, then theres, insight, dreams and visions.
an image can paint a thousands words.

imagination and desire, where its written the Lord shall give you the desires of your heart.
when what we desire is right,
like wise may the meditations of my heart , be acceptable in your sight.
imagination is not the be all and end all, but has apart to play, more so, maybe than we relised.
and some thing we could and can use more, for the right reasons johnny
 
johnny botwright said:
you mentioned faith, some one eles reply, speaks of their imagination and faith go hand in hand in their prayers.
coming back to, God can do above and beyond all we ask or imagine.

so my answer would be yes, but like any thing, spirit led, if the Holy Spirit can put things on our heart to pray for, for instance, bring things to our attension, why not visual also, tune our imagination.

God has gone to great detail, in creation, how blessed to have sight, and to be able to see the wonders of creation, then theres, insight, dreams and visions.
an image can paint a thousands words.

imagination and desire, where its written the Lord shall give you the desires of your heart.
when what we desire is right,
like wise may the meditations of my heart , be acceptable in your sight.
imagination is not the be all and end all, but has apart to play, more so, maybe than we relised.
and some thing we could and can use more, for the right reasons johnny
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Maybe I should use my imagination a bit more....God did create it after all...
 
he is mixed trascendentalism with christianity.

one can see something after prayer but if one has the assurance that the lord did tell you he would do it. when it come to visions one must be on guard for those as they may not be from the lord, but the flesh or the devil.

we dont know god's will, i have heard the lord tell some not to pray for healing but rather that person would die peacefully. that is rare but it does happen.
 
no im taking about using our God given imagination, gift of creativity. nothing more nothing less.

jasoncran are you sure its alright to breath.

thought can create or destroy,words can build or tear down, science can cure, or kill, germ war fare, nuclear can power our homes or destroy nations.
any thing can be used in a right and wrong way. imagination , meditation included.

or do you just see satan in every thing and give glory to him.? even in the things of God.

you will find the words meditate , and meditation in the bible, also the word ponder. do a word search.

books to, the lost art of contemplative prayer,
contemplate survey visually mentally.

imagination the abilty of mind to be creative, mental faculty forming images or concepts of objects not present to the senses.
 
johnny botwright said:
If we imagine something according to Gods will, can we pray it into being?
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For sure yeah, but maybe there might be a catch. Maybe if we get an idea from God, and the thing we imagine might be part of the plan he has for us then anything is possible. If there is a need for it and it glorifies God or is used in ministry it just needs people to have faith it will happen and it will.
 
johnny botwright said:
no im taking about using our God given imagination, gift of creativity. nothing more nothing less.

jasoncran are you sure its alright to breath.

thought can create or destroy,words can build or tear down, science can cure, or kill, germ war fare, nuclear can power our homes or destroy nations.
any thing can be used in a right and wrong way. imagination , meditation included.

or do you just see satan in every thing and give glory to him.? even in the things of God.

you will find the words meditate , and meditation in the bible, also the word ponder. do a word search.
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yes, but not in the means that you do, i have done the astral projection thing to a small degree(takes practice and also i dont focus on world events and try to put them together, i let the lord orchestrate and just be ready, he will take me where i'm to be with him.

oh i do like fantasy but i know my limits, as i delved into witchcraft, and much of how you word it is just like that stuff.
 
well you are really twisting things now to suit your agenda, can you post anything other than false accusations, do you always try and manipulate and poision in such away, ?

character assasinate. ?

as for world events, who does not take note of world events, the signs of the times.
again to you this is also a crime, satan and witchcraft.

we are tolled to watch a pray. as mentioned already the wheels will keep turning, both big and small, events will aline, concerning end time prophecy. johnny
 
johnny botwright said:
well you are really twisting things now to suit your agenda, can you post anything other than false accusations, do you always try and manipulate and poision in such away, ?

character assasinate. ?

as for world events, who does not take note of world events, the signs of the times.
again to you this is also a crime,

johnny
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what does 2012 have to do with the end time prophecy, hardly anything, can god come then, of course, but then theres all these events that you seemed to cryptic links to something.

i hate the u.n and can see that as part of the beast, but theres nothing to say in the bible that it is. so i dont post alot on that. i monitor, that is all, i dont wonder if what happened in 9-11 means that christ is coming this year, he could but has he. we were told what the signs would be and we see them daily but nothing specific enough on which countries aside from isreal are the players.
 
again you are twisting my words,just yet another one of your personal attacks, do you have anything eles to offer besides this? and you are changing the topic, topic regarding signs or messages, warnings ect, is being discussed in the end times forum. on this forum

also at http://www.prophecytalk.com end times discussion forum

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/ religion forum

http://www.december212012.com official forum religion forum

http://www.christainforums.com spirit filled/charasmatic forum

the wake up project forum common groung forum. http://wup-forum.com

some one Daniel mentioned on christain forums .com

in reply to this thread, yongi chows church in South Korea, does not now have a congregation of 200.000

its now 750.000 25.000 home groups. started with a red american bike, a table and chair,
the fourth dimension book by yongi chow, being percific in pray, see it pray it into being.

there have been some other intresting replys, johnny
 
the homepage of david icke in big letters says that hes revealing the dreamworld to be true.

what we dream isnt really always reality nor from it but most of the time our minds trying to work things out, and though can be used by the lord,. but must be tested.

visualation isnt bad, but one must be sure what is being told is in line with the word and that you know the lord gave you the promise.

i missread your post on imiginations i thought it said that one doenst need to ask the lord, i was wrong, my sincerest apologies.
 
As ive cleary stated before, i do not hold with the views of david icke, but it is one of the busiest forums on line, does throw up some good topics, christain input is welcome, a lot of people are searching for answers,
if you have some good things to share, it may be read by a few thousand non believers.

like wise with the wake up project comon ground forum its a muslim site, that welcomes christain input,
i do not hold with the teachings of islam,

i do not hold with all the veiws around 2012 but again another forum where christain input is welcome, and read by people searching.

any thing we do, needs to be centred in God and led by his spirit. im pondering the other side of the coin also, what ever you ask. according to the will of God.

do not try and turn a posative, into a negitive,

there are people who pray for the sick in the name of Jesus,

there are people who lay hands on people also from every sect, cult , and new age teaching going.

does this mean we stop praying for healing, using our mind, imagination, praying in the spirit ect

well well jason cran one of the only people online ive seen, to be big enough to say sorry, respect.
johnny
 
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