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Growth How Righteous are you?

Kidron

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How Righteous are you, if you are a born again Christian?

A.) - You are just as righteous as the Blood of Jesus that cleansed all you sins away from the moment you were born again, till the end of eternity.

B.) You are just as righteous as God, as its his "gift of righteousness" that you now have not only been given, but have become.

Romans 5:17
Ephesians 2:8

If you dont "feel" the way you should....if you dont "feel" forgiven and like a "new Creature-Creation in Christ", its because you are looking at yourself instead of looking at what God has done for you, to you, and in you.
Take your eyes off your behavior, take your eyes off of yourself, and put them on the eternally completed result of your FAITH, and that is....."you are now become the Righteousness of GOD, in Christ".
2 Corinthians 5:21

That is YOU.........right now, and forever.:)
 
Yes, and yes. The world has put an bad connotation with righteous. I love the word, because I love the light.

The world has a different view of righteous anyways. If we look at Jesus, that is what righteousness looks like!

This is God's righteousness: 1 John 4:19-21 We love because he first loved us. If anyone says, "I love God," yet hate his brother, he is a liar. For anyone who does not love his brother, whom he has seen, cannot love God, whom he has not seen. And he has given us this command: Whoever loves God must also love his brother.
 
Yes, and yes. The world has put an bad connotation with righteous. I love the word, because I love the light.
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The Joy of the Lord, in a Christian's life, is all about understanding your position in the Kingdom of God.
Your "position"< is that God has himself died in your place, on your behalf, as a love gift to you, and because he did it he keeps it for you.
Salvation, is all about what God did for you that he provided, that he maintains.
This is why John tells you in 1John, that you can "know you have eternal life", so that you can rest in this eternal security.
And this "eternal live", IS, Jesus The Christ.....>HE< ..is eternal life, and if you have him....you have eternal life.
Knowing all this, frees you from the bondage of trying to earn your salvation or keep your salvation, as salvation is not about behavior, but rather its about what has been freely given to you as a > "gift of righteousness".
 
Righteousness means right standing with. Not some poor sinner saved by grace a worm in the dirt.

If I have right standing with someone that lives in a place where the streets are made of Gold, and at 1,200 an ounce. Ummm. Seems like we are doing pretty good here.
 
Righteousness means right standing with. Not some poor sinner saved by grace a worm in the dirt.

If I have right standing with someone that lives in a place where the streets are made of Gold, and at 1,200 an ounce. Ummm. Seems like we are doing pretty good here.

Righteousness mean "sinless perfection".
This is the "state" of God.......sinless perfection, and this is what he gives us thru the cleansing Blood of Jesus.
He literally gives us the "righteousness of Christ" as our eternal "standing" or "position" in his eternal family, and we never have to work a day for this "gift".
You cant be a Son of God, unless you are as sinless as Christ, and you cant be as sinless as Christ once you have sinned.
"for all have sinned and fallen short"..
So, that ends the game for the "works" crowd who are "enduring to the end" and all that nonsense to BE saved or to STAY saved.
"Saved" means "sinless perfection" or you are not saved, that that is the "gift of God and not of yourself".
 
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Righteousness mean "sinless perfection".

I would change bibles if I were you.

Dikaioma means to be made innocent or right through a stature or process of law. It can also mean to be found guilty.

Here it's used in a negative way.
Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
(Rom 1:32)

Saved also means sinless profession?

all the bible words mean sinless perfection? Could be.

Sozo is a Verb, sinless perfection carries the idea of something constant, unchanging. A verb is a action. There are 4 different kinds of Greek Verbs, none denote a constant state of something.

Sozo means to make well, be healed from physical injury or some type of sickness or disease. With no better Greek Word to explain a new concept, the Holy Spirit also used it as to be saved from injury and loss after death.

Here it is used to be healed of sickness.
And he said unto her, Daughter, thy faith hath made thee whole; go in peace, and be whole of thy plague.
(Mar 5:34)

I would change bibles.

Blessings.
 
I would change bibles if I were you.

Dikaioma means to be made innocent or right through a stature or process of law. It can also mean to be found guilty.


Blessings.

I didnt get that phrase from a bible.
And "Dikaioma" has nothing to do with the blood atonement, as the blood of Christ removes the penalty of the law.
So, we are in no way made or kept righteous by the "law", if we are Saved.
As a matter of fact, we are saved from the effect and the death penalty that the law requires, if we are saved.
 
I didnt get that phrase from a bible.
And "Dikaioma" has nothing to do with the blood atonement, as the blood of Christ removes the penalty of the law.
So, we are in no way made or kept righteous by the "law", if we are Saved.
As a matter of fact, we are saved from the effect and the death penalty that the law requires, if we are saved.


blessings,

K
 
I didnt get that phrase from a bible.
And "Dikaioma" has nothing to do with the blood atonement, as the blood of Christ removes the penalty of the law.
So, we are in no way made or kept righteous by the "law", if we are Saved.
As a matter of fact, we are saved from the effect and the death penalty that the law requires, if we are saved.

Dikaioma is the Word translated Righteousness.We are not even on the same train here.

However, My Pastor (Who was in Floridia today) preached on the Power of the Blood. How it keeps planets together, How it's the force of life.

You seem to like the projected power of the Blood of Jesus, might give it a listen.

Precious In His Sight - Pt. 9
The Precious Blood

http://www.flcbranson.org/listseries.php?xml=rss/CurrentMessages-Sarasota.xml

Kind of strange, the way your wording things, sounded like the message this morning. God trying to tell me something? Oh my.

Keith Moore is my Pastor. Faith Life church Branson, MO.
 
Dikaioma is the Word translated Righteousness.We are not even on the same train here.


Keith Moore is my Pastor. Faith Life church Branson, MO.

As i said..

this that you said..

"""""Dikaioma means to be made innocent or right through a stature or process of law. It can also mean to be found guilty."""""

So, this cant make a person "righteous"
I dont think you can use this word to define a believer's righteousness in Christ, in the sense that you posted that definition., as we are not made righteous by a "process of law".
And that means, your wikiword has nothing to do with my phrase "sinless perfection", as im not using this to describe righteousness that comes by the >law<, as in reality, there is no righteousness that can come by the law.
If there was, then Jesus could have saved himself a trip.

And also.
didnt you earlier mention a Baptist brother you had healed?
So, do you have the gift of healing?
You wrote that you prayed and then the next morning the Baptist was good as new, no more issues.
So, If you do have the gift of Healing, then the hospitals are waiting, so, dont be late.

If thats not you who wrote that post, then, pardon me.


blessings,

K
 
Dont bother to pick on my use of words please read the spirit of what i am saying;;;;

I know when i step out side of where i should/could be in the Lord .. I am thankful He corrects me...
 
I dont think you can use this word to define a believer's righteousness in Christ, in the sense that you posted that definition., as we are not made righteous by a "process of law".

Really trying to get to Farm frenzy.

This is wrong, we are made righteous by process of law. (I have a feeling, I'll have to explain this also, sigh.)

And also.
didnt you earlier mention a Baptist brother you had healed?
So, do you have the gift of healing?
You wrote that you prayed and then the next morning the Baptist was good as new, no more issues.
So, If you do have the gift of Healing, then the hospitals are waiting, so, dont be late.

If thats not you who wrote that post, then, pardon me.

He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they shall....................................... lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
(Mar 16:16-18)

Well, you certainly seem to believe also, I never said I healed anyone, however since you believe like I do, I'll meet you at the hospital to help.
 



For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
(Rom 8:2)
And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. (Dikaiosune)
(Rom 8:10)
Thayer:
1) in a broad sense: state of him who is as he ought to be, righteousness, the condition acceptable to God
1a) the doctrine concerning the way in which man may attain a state approved of God

The new law of the Spirit of Life In Christ Jesus, takes authority as a new law over keeping the law through flesh.

So, the new law in Christ Jesus gave us justification, righteousness, Right standing, with the Father.

I often wonder if we complicate things more than they should be. Nah....
 
Really trying to get to Farm frenzy.

This is wrong, we are made righteous by process of law. (I have a feeling, I'll have to explain this also, sigh.)



He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they shall....................................... lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
(Mar 16:16-18)

Well, you certainly seem to believe also, I never said I healed anyone, however since you believe like I do, I'll meet you at the hospital to help.

We are not made Righteous by "process of law".
We are made righteous by God imputing the Righteousness of Christ for us, and in us, when we believe the Gospel.
There is no law process required for Salvation......but instead there is a blood atonement that removes the condemnation of the law from us.

and the scripture you posted, is fluently used throughout the pentecostal-charismatic -word of faith community, and i certainly have no issues with the finished work of the Cross.
But i asked you if you have the "gift of healing", and you decided to not answer that question, as thats a different situation, and instead you just posted the generic Charismatic answer.
So, i'll ask you again......do you have "The GIFT of Healing"?
 
and the scripture you posted, is fluently used throughout the pentecostal-charismatic -word of faith community, and i certainly have no issues with the finished work of the Cross.
But i asked you if you have the "gift of healing", and you decided to not answer that question, as thats a different situation, and instead you just posted the generic Charismatic answer.
So, i'll ask you again......do you have "The GIFT of Healing"?

I did not post something generic. I posted Scripture. You believe on the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, Your Lord said you shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. The condition was that You believe on him, and believe on the Power of His name. He did not mention some gift of Healing there. If you meet the condition He mentioned, you qualify. It has nothing to do with what denomination you belong to because the scripture says the same thing to a Baptist, Methodist, Catholic, and anyone else that reads what Jesus said.

This is just normal, basic Christian doctrine of a type of laying on of hands. Every Church should have taught the basics.

Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
(Heb 6:1-2)

This is Noob class 101 stuff. Laying hands on types. The basics.

Act_8:19 Saying, Give me also this power, that on whomsoever I lay hands, he may receive the Holy Ghost.
Act_28:8 And it came to pass, that the father of Publius lay sick of a fever and of a bloody flux: to whom Paul entered in, and prayed, and laid his hands on him, and healed him.
1Ti_4:14 Neglect not the gift that is in thee, which was given thee by prophecy, with the laying on of the hands of the presbytery.

When we lay hands on someone, it should mean something. We are the body of Christ, connected with him and in Him. We don't take these things lightly.

1Ti_5:22 Lay hands suddenly on no man, neither be partaker of other men's sins: keep thyself pure.

The gifts of healings, is a whole other topic and distributed as the Spirit wills for a ministry setting.
 
I did not post something generic. I posted Scripture. You believe on the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, Your Lord said you shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. The condition was that You believe on him, and believe on the Power of His name. He did not mention some gift of Healing there.

As someone who is a part of the Word of Faith movement,...(Copeland, Hickey, Duplantis, Moore, Parsley, Roberts, Hagan, Dollar,)....that would be you BMike....then you are familiar with the 9 Spiritual Gifts.
One of them is the "gift of healing".
This is not the same as the prayer for the sick, or the laying on of hands.
I think you know this, BMike?
So, im asking you, for the 3rd time, if you have that particular Spiritual Gift?
 
One of them is the "gift of healing".
This is not the same as the prayer for the sick, or the laying on of hands.
I think you know this, BMike?
So, im asking you, for the 3rd time, if you have that particular Spiritual Gift?

That is what I have been trying to explain to you. I have never met someone who just has some gift of healing empowered constantly by the Holy Spirit. I have seen it operate, have heard people say the Healing anointing is on me. I know when the teaching anointing is on me, I feel it, I feel the change. Never some healing anointing thing.

Jesus said if we lay hands on the sick they Recover. The Greek does not indicate instant healing there.
James said the Prayer of Faith (Not the gift of healing) shall save the sick and God shall "Rise" them up. Nothing indicating some instant healing.

I was called to preach at a night service for a Church. I went only because of the Pastor, but the people there did not care much for me. I agreed with the Pastor no super faith stuff, just normal uplifting stuff.

Someone had brought a young women to church for the first time and it was like her and a group of her friends. Her mom and dad were there also.

I knew I had to at least go an hour, then I could get the heck out of there. I don't even know what I talked about that night, but I guess I did mention that God wanted us well, and to be happy. After I was done, I had to do the Alter call thing as instructed and had a landslide of one. That young women. I guess she wanted to accept Jesus. After that, I could bolt, cya.

She gave her life to Jesus, even started crying on me. That made me feel like I just did not waste my time with 50 some people that did not hear a word I said all night.

So, it's me and this girl up on the platform and she gets up and asks me real loud. Everyone could hear. "Will God heal my stomach?"

This Girl had no clue, that you don't ask that, at the type of church we are at. Wrong Church, Wrong people, just something you don't do.
It's like walking up in a Baptist Church and asking the Pastor to lay hands on you so you can speak in tongues.

Time stopped for me. All eyes looking at me, waiting to see if I would give the correct answer. I knew what they wanted to hear, I have been to those services when the regular Pastor taught there. I was there because I knew the guy that owned the Church and property, as a favor for him.

Well, they were not going to get to hear what they normally hear. I was up there, and I represent the Lord Jesus, I won't shame him. I said real loud. "Of Course God will heal you, right here and now."

You could hear the grumbling in the seats. I then asked her, My I put my hand on your stomach, and she said yes. So I put my had hard on her stomach and my other on her back and yelled, "Devil, get your hands off God's property, In the name of Jesus, stomach, you be whole and as God intended you to be."
Bam, she falls to her knees. More tears. Never had that happen before. Her family comes up and I step back. I am looking to leave now, but the girl talks to her family and runs back to me. She asked me, "Would it be OK if i went and ate with my friends?"
I told her she can eat, whatever she wants to eat. Her friends then came up and asked If i wanted to go with them, I said no thank you.

A few days went by and this Girls parents had gotten my address and came to my house. They told me their daughter was going to have surgery that Monday and had been on a liquid diet for several weeks. I guess she ulcerated her stomach really bad by some drugs she was taking. They also had medical reports and showed me that the doctors found where all the ulceration where, there was small scare tissue as if someone had sowed together her stomach then super healed them. The doctors were stumped and they canceled the surgery.

Gifts of healing? I don't know, but I do know the Lord goes with us and performs his Word with signs following. I know that.
 
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