How to deal with police.

[John]

A very informative and level headed approach to dealing with the police. This is NOT a Police bashing thread.



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[John]

Transcript:

TheAntiTerrorist & Velluminous Press would like to take this opportunity to point out that in these
litigious times it's easy to lose sight of the fact that we—as a community of kindred souls—once
valued common sense. So cast back in your memory to that long-forgotten concept and embrace the
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us. These transcripts are for education and entertainment purposes only.

TheAntiTerrorist on Dealing With The Police
Broadcast on 22 November 2007

Hello friends, I am TheAntiTerrorist. Thank you once again for all your messages of support,
your emails and for being part of the conversation.

Now, I do have a number of concerns about how the information I give you in this broadcast
is going to be used. I don’t want to enable criminals in our society to thwart justice, but I am
committed to protecting the innocent from what appears to be an explosion of police abuse,
and in a case like this I choose to protect the people. I want to make it perfectly clear I am
not giving legal advice—I’m not a lawyer—so saying “TheAntiTerrorist told me to do it,†is
not going to cut you any slack with the police, but I can give you my personal opinion, and I
could say what I would do or what other people have done in the past. If more people were
to understand and exercise their rights at the appropriate times, we would be a whole lot
more successful at reining in the tyranny that we are all complaining about right now.
Knowing your rights. Knowing what to say and who to say it to, and what not to say and
who not to say it to.

You see, the police use tactics—they capitalise on the fact that very few of us know our
rights because we were never taught them in the public-indoctrination school system.
Anything you know about your rights you either read in the papers, or you heard from your
friends or your uncle or your parents, but you certainly weren’t told about your rights in
school.

Generally speaking, the average person in this country and in the United States is a
constitutional illiterate who has no idea what his or her rights are, but they are constantly
complaining about ‘losing their rights.’ Your rights are lost not because someone took them
from you, but because you are unable to claim them—you don’t know what the right is and
you don’t know how to claim it.

The police now are trained to get the evidence from you—not by force, although that
happens from time to time—but rather to do it subtly, to trick you. They cunningly coerce
you into waiving your rights because of your ignorance,
Don’t blame the policeman for violating your rights. At some point in time you’ve got to say,
“Hey, Mr Policeman, you’re violating my rights.†It’s up to you to tell him. It’s an adversarial
position—the policeman against you. He’s not your friend. If you think he’s your friend you
have your head up your backside.

Now let’s be clear—’adversary’ does not necessarily mean ‘enemy.’ I’m talking about
‘adversary’ in the sense of playing chess with someone, someone who wants to win in a
situation. They need to win to get their detection rate up, especially in the British police—it’s
all based on detection, it’s how many detections they get in a day. They are not your enemy,
they are your adversary.

It’s not supposed to be that way, and it wasn’t always that way. Back in the day, the
policeman was our friend in a judicial system, a justice system. Today, we have a monetary
system, not a judicial system, it’s money. It’s an adversarial system and the policeman’s job is
to get the goods on you and convict you so that they can fine you and make money. He’s a
revenue agent, nothing more, nothing less. He’s there to protect the claims window of the
insurance industry, that’s why he insists you wear your seatbelt and you have it fastened.
Whether or not you wear a seatbelt doesn’t make a rat’s backside difference to me or you or
anyone else, but it does to the insurance industry, and the policeman is out there to protect
the insurance industry, he’s not there to protect you. He doesn’t care whether you wear your
seatbelt or not.

Now if you’re a policeman, you know you are a revenue agent. That’s your job. To generate
revenue. And you also know that if you don’t generate revenue your boss is going to be
asking you about that. “The average number of tickets we write in this department is two a
shift and you’re only writing 1.7. John. Now what the hell’s going on here? Tom over there,
he’s averaging three tickets per shift...â€
Now the police, they vehemently deny it but they’ve got a quota system.
‘Scuse me Mr Officer, let’s be intelligent people over here. Mr Policeman, try writing no
tickets whatsoever for thirty days and see what happens to your job. For the next thirty days,
every time you catch someone speeding, try giving them a warning. Instead of giving a guy
a ticket for drunk driving, give him a ride home—try that for thirty days and find out what
happens to your job and tell me there’s no quota system, officer.

The biggest complaint that we should have and the biggest complaint that the police actually
do make themselves because they do understand what’s going on is that they are being used
as revenue collection agents instead of doing their job and protecting us from the bad guys of
this world. They’re out there to collect money. They know it and they don’t particularly like
it very much.

As I said in my last police video, they are mostly good people, and they do understand
what’s going on. We all pay our taxes and the taxes are used to support the police
department, and we should not be depending on 5 million in fines here and there to balance
out the city or county budget. And if we stopped doing that we would find the police would
be more helpful and less adversarial. With this adversarial monetary system the police
haven’t got time to deal with murderers, thieves and rapists, because they’re too busy
dealing with seatbelts and traffic signs and drivers licenses, registration, proof of insurance—
the victimless crimes that don’t amount to anything whatsoever, that don’t have anything to
do with protecting the health, safety and welfare of the public.
This is big business and parking tickets and speeding tickets and police on the roads
enforcing the traffic laws—in some communities it’s the difference between bankruptcy and
solvency. What we have here is a public that’s irresponsible and a police force that’s almost
equally irresponsible—dedicated, sincere, but definitely irresponsible.
So how much does your government know about you and how much do you want your
government to know about you? The government doesn’t have some agent following you
around with a clipboard taking down all the information about you—they don’t do that. No
one knows anything about you that you have not revealed by your own mouth or your own
hand. All of the evidence that’s ever going to be used against you will be furnished by you.
The government seems to know just about everything about you—they want to know more.
They want to go through your luggage, they want to go through your pockets, they want
you to take your shoes off at the airport—these are called security steps to make you safe and
if you want to exercise your rights then you have to keep your mouth shut. That’s it.
There’s a golden rule when dealing with the police: keep your mouth shut, don’t say
anything, shut up. If you say nothing, nothing will be used against you. If you say
something, something will be used against you. If you say a lot, a lot will be used against
you.

 

[John]

The more you talk, the more that have to use against you.

And they tell you that very plainly. I mean, you have to be seriously mentally retarded to sit
there and talk to a guy who says to you, he looks you right in the eyeballs and says, “ you
have the right to remain silent and anything you say can and will be taken down and used
against you. Now, where were you going? where were you coming from? What’s your
name, address, telephone number, social security number? Are you married? How many
kids have you got? Where do you have sex with your wife?â€
You’ve got to be absolutely crazy [to talk to] a guy who tells you, ‘Anything you say can and
will be used against you in a court of law.’ But we just go right ahead and try and talk our
way out of it, and all we are doing is digging a hole for ourselves that we can never get out
of.

Now, do you have to talk? Do you have to answer questions? For anyone, whether they are a
government official or just an ordinary guy in the street? It may very well be that the police
are required by law to ask you certain questions and the reverse question is, are you required
by law to answer any of those questions, and the answer is, ‘No.’
Most people will answer every question you ask them. When you are talking to a police
officer and they ask you questions, you answer them all. And the reason you answer them all
is because you believe that you have to. You believe that there’s nothing wrong with
answering the question and if I don’t, they might arrest me. Most people think they have
some legal responsibility to talk to the police, but they don’t. None. Zero. As a general rule. If
you’re here to ask me questions, Mr Police Officer, the answer is, I’m not telling you a damn
thing. If you are coming here to ask me questions about somebody else, well I don’t have any
problems with that, answering questions about somebody else. You want to ask me about the
mafia guy down the road, or you want to ask me what I saw when the red car hit the yellow
car, I can be a helpful witness if that’s what you want, but when you start asking me
questions like, “What’s you name, what’s your birthdate, where do you live?†you’re starting
to get into an area that’s none of your business and I’m not telling. And I don’t have to.
If you’re being detained by them and they say, “Oh, isn’t it a lovely day today?†You don’t
have to answer that question. And if they say, “Well, the weather’s pretty bad today, isn’t it?â€
you don’t have to answer that question, either.

“Where are you going?†You don’t have to answer that question.
“Where have you been?†None of his business whatsoever.

Now, I don’t think I’d be rude to him, I don’t think I’d say, “You’re an ugly SOB and I’m not
answering any of your questions. That would be impolite. I could, because that would be
free speech, but I wouldn’t.

I often hear the argument, “Well, if you don’t have anything to hide, then why don’t you
answer any of their questions?†See the teacher told you in school, “If you don’t have
anything to hide, then why don’t you answer any of their questions?†And by the same
token, when the police officer asks you a question and you refuse to answer his immediate
response—from his own training—is wow, this guy’s got something to hide, I’d better dig
deeper.

People often ask me, “Well what is it that you’re hiding?†and I often say, “If I told you what
it was hiding, it would no longer be hidden, would it?â€
"If I told you what it was hiding, it would no longer be hidden, would it? So I'm not telling you what
it is I'm hiding. As it happens, I'm hiding my privacy."
Privacy is only important to people who value their privacy. Nobody seems to make the
statement, “Well, if I don’t answer the question, it’s probably because it’s none of your damn
business.â€

Anybody can ask you questions but you don’t have to answer them. You don’t have to tell
anyone your name, your telephone number—you don’t even have to tell the policeman at
the scene of an accident. You have to be prepared to go into a cell for a few hours.
Many people are not able to exercise their rights because they are unable to withstand the
intimidation, the coercive effect of the policeman or the government official who, acting
under colour of law, intimidates you into giving the information against your will or over
your objection.

“You have to answer my questions—if you don’t answer them, I am going to arrest you and
charge you with obstruction of an officer in the performance of his duty...â€
That alone, all by itself, regarding 99% of people, it just chills them to the bone, and why it
may anger you, you may say to yourself, “I don’t like being threatened by this.†You may
complain about it, you won’t like it, you may thing there’s something wrong with it, and
because of our fear and our ignorance 99% of you will start answering those questions pretty
damn quick.

If you’re not prepared to go into a cell for a few hours, then you can’t exercise your rights
because they will test you at every turn.

When police officers arrest you and they do so without authority, that’s called false arrest
and false imprisonment, and it goes on all the time. A lot of people are claustrophobic, they
can’t handle sitting in a cell for a few hours. And the policeman knows this, so he locks you
up. The threat of the inconvenience at the time will get most people answering anything the
policeman asks. He’s trained that way. he simply makes statements that have no legal
veracity whatsoever. Threats. He coerces you into answering questions that can be used
against you in a court of law, and they do use them against you. You have to be prepared to
go into a cell at any time, at the drop of a hat if that’s what’s required to protect your privacy
and protect your rights, and if not, then you can be cunningly coerced into waiving your
rights at any time. That’s the difference between a master and a servant.
A master and a servant.

The master asks the questions and the servant answers them. If you are answering someone
else’s questions, you are the servant—it’s as simple as that. It’s not rocket science.
The guy that’s asking the questions is in the master position of the master/servant
relationship. Do I really wan the police officer to be in the master position? Or in the servant
position?

I believe that police officers are servants of the public. I see myself as the master, employing
the police officer to protect me and my property against unlawful intrusion.
Let’s get our positions straight here; who’s the boss and who’s the servant?
Now as soon as you get that through you head, you’ll be one step closer to the truth.
Remember, policing has changed in this country and it’s changed in the United States—they
are no longer the police officers you remember, they are no longer your friend—they are
your adversary. They are all good people, but as I said in my last video, they will do as they
are told, and what they want is your money and your freedom.

Law enforcement officers are trained to bluff you into making denials, into making
statements, and they will appear friendly, and they will appear reasonable, and they will
appear willing to help resolve the matter. They will pose as your friend, and they will tempt
you to talk about it, and to appear sympathetic, Don’t fall for it. Say nothing. Deny nothing.
Give them nothing. Stick your tongue between your teeth and bite down hard. You do not
exist. You have no past. You have no address. You have no name. You have no National
Insurance Number or Social Security Number—you give them nothing whatsoever to work
with.

Now, having established what we cannot and must not say, let’s establish what we should
say.

So, a police officer approaches you and says, “Excuse me sir, would you mind if we asked
you some questions?â€
What you do immediately—you reach for your mobile phone and you activate the voice
recording option, and you hold your phone up in plain view and you make sure the officer
realises you are recording the conversation.
Then you say, “Hello, officer, I recognise your contact, what is the nature of the intended
detention?â€
If he says you cannot record this conversation, what you say is, “In that case, am I free to
go?â€
If he says, “Yes, you’re free to go, “ you say, “Thank you for your time, goodbye.â€
If he says, “No, you are not free to go,†you say again, “What is the nature of the intended
detention?†Always asking questions. Always in the master position.
If he refuses to tell you what he is stopping you for, you ask him, “Did you witness me
breaching the peace?†to which he will reply [either] yes or no.
If he says, “No,†you say, “I am now reserving my right not to speak to a peace officer who
has not witnessed me breach the peace. Thank you and good day.â€
And you walk away.

If he asks you for some identification, you ask him if you are obliged to carry identification.
If he asks you for your name, you ask him if you are obliged to give him your name. The
answer to both of those questions is, ‘No.’ If he says ‘Yes,’ he is acting fraudulently, he is not
acting as a lawful police officer. Again you say, “Am I free to go?â€
“Am I free to go?â€
"Am I free to go?"
That’s it. That’s all you say. “Am I free to go?â€
If they continue to detain you, “Am I under arrest?†That’s all you say, “Am I under arrest?â€
“Am I free to go?â€
“Am I under arrest?â€
“Am I free to go?â€
“Am I under arrest?â€

If they continue to detain you, and they give you a sense that you are going to be arrested,
you immediately say, “Officer, I am a peaceful man, if you are going to arrest me there will
be no reason for force or violence, however, you are obliged to note that I am operating
under protest and duress at all times.I reserve all of my rights at all times and waive none of
my rights at any time for any cause or reason.â€
And then if they take you down to the station, the golden rule: Keep Your Mouth Shut, Say
Nothing, Shut Up. You do not give them permission to take your fingerprints. You do not
give you consent to ask you any further questions. You do not give them consent to put their
hands on you in any way, shape or form. You do not have consent to touch me, officer.
You see, the key here is they can only police by consent. When they are working with
statutory regulations they need your consent.

 

[John]

Now if you’ve broken the law, and by the law I mean you’ve killed someone, or you have
been in a serious accident and you’ve harmed someone else or damaged their property, or
you’ve committed fraud in your contracts, then you’ve broken the law and you need to take
your punishment like a man. But if we’re talking about statutory regulations, they all require
your consent.

The definition of a statute is a legislative rule of society given the force of law by the consent
of the government—now that’s not consent given by the majority of the governed—that’s
not consent by the majority of the governed, that’s consent of the governed, that means you.
Nothing happens without your consent with regards to statutory legislation. Nothing. All
the while you’re in the cell, just relax, get your head down, get an hour’s sleep, ignore all the
confrontational stuff they throw at you, ignore all the intimidation, it’s all just tactics to get
you to speak. You are not required to give your fingerprints, you are not required to give
your DNA. You are not required to give a blood or urine sample. Not without your consent.
Now if you want to waive your rights, you can do that at any time by opening your mouth
or giving them what they want, but the only way you are going to get out of that cell in a few
hours, or 12 hours or 24 hours or whatever it is, is by shutting up.
Without the information you give them out of your own mouth, they have to release you, it’s
as simple as that.

What you’ll find as you’re asking these officers questions, instead of blindly submitting to
their faux authority, is they’ll look at you like you’ve just shown a dog a new card trick...
:-D

It’s a completely alien experience for them, being asked questions. They are used to asking
the questions—â€You don’t ask me questions, I’m an officer of the law.â€
Until you’ve established probable cause, my friend, there’s a Roman maxim in law that says,
Equality before the law is paramount and mandatory.

That means before you have established that I’ve done anything wrong, you and I are on an
equal footing, my friend, no matter what uniform you’re wearing. So you will treat me with
respect, and you will speak across to me and not down to me or I will not assist you in any
way, shape or form.

Now most officers are very courteous and polite, but I’ve been witness to many abuses of
power, especially since the new statutory legislation came out. Stop and search powers are
being abused left, right and centre, and the ones that are suffering are the ones that don’t
know they simply have to say, “No. I do not consent—I’m not consenting to any searches
today, thank you very much.â€

“Am I free to go?â€
“Am I under arrest?â€
“Am I free to go?â€
“Am I under arrest?â€
Now, the law rabbit hole is a very deep one, and it’s also a very accessible one. You need to
go to a site called

http://www.thinkfree.ca

and there you’ll find many, many tools that will give you a lot of freedom, along with many
friendly and experienced people who have a great understanding of the law and know how
to deal with these lawyers and these police officers that are operating illegally and
unlawfully, and they will give you a great deal of insight into what is going on in the world
at the moment.

Also, essential reading, How I Clobbered Every Bureaucratic Cash Confiscatory Agency Known To
Man by Mary-Elizabeth:Croft. The title is a bit of a mouthful, but there is life-changing
information in there—life-changing—and I do not say that lightly.

Thanks for listening.

HEO
9 February 2009
© MMIX TheAntiTerrorist & Velluminous Press

 

[jasoncran]

everbody hates the po po.

 

[John]

Not sure what the deal is with the mask but he has some very good points.