HOW WE FEEL ABOUT THE PALESTINIANS...

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HOW WE FEEL ABOUT THE PALESTINIANS…
THE LION AND LAMB MINISTRY

Because of The Lion and Lamb Ministry's support of God's covenant and promises to Israel, many folks think that we care nothing about the Palestinian Arabs. Not true!! God's love reaches all people, and the Savior, who was born in Bethlehem, came with "good news" for ALL people!

Just for the record, over one million Arabs are full citizens of the modern State of Israel. There are Arabs who are members of the Knesset, the Israeli Parliament. Before the Intifada started in the fall of 2000 AD, thousands of Arabs also crossed the borders of Israel to go to work - jobs were available to many Arabs. Medical attention was also readily available.

Another interesting fact is that over half of the Arabs in the Middle East are "Christians" at least by way of profession and background. The Arabs are descendants of the 12 sons of Ishmael, and they received a blessing from the LORD GOD of Israel. The mother of the Arabs was an Egyptian by the name of Hagar. Abraham is the father of the Arabs as surely as he is the father of the children of Israel. The Bible teaches in Romans 4 that Abraham is the father of "all who believe" - whether they are Jewish or Gentile.

There are now over 100 Jewish Messianic Congregations in Israel. Some of them are led by Arabs who serve as "shepherds" to both Jews and Arabs.

The late Yassir Arafat was an Egyptian. From a technical and historical standpoint, Egyptians come from Ham's son "Mizraim (the Hebrew word for Egypt)" and are not Arab descendants in a technical sense. However, it was an Egyptian woman who gave birth to Ishmael who fathered the 12 sons who produced the descendants we call "Arabs" today.

Mohammed was a direct descendant of the tribe of Kedar, the second son of Ishmael.

The religion of Islam was not the original religion of the Arab peoples of the Middle East, but through conquest, Islam adopted the pre-Islamic Arab culture of the Middle East as their own. The truth is that Arabs are not treated very well by Muslims. The Islamic "takeover" over the Palestinian Arabs is well known. A "Palestinian Arab" is a true Arab who lives in the land of Israel, known since the 2nd century AD as "Palestine," a name given to it by Emperor Hadrian of Rome at the time of the Second Jewish Revolt under Bar Kochba.

From a technical and historical point of view - the following countries are NOT Arab - Iran, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt, and even Saudi Arabia. Today Islam has achieved the goal of convincing media personnel that the word "Arab" means "Islam" or "Muslim" and vice versa. That is not true, but nobody seems to want the truth these days! However, Arab peoples and true descendants of Ishmael live and roam about in most of the Middle Eastern countries that are Islamic in government and religion.

Bethlehem was once an Arab Christian town with 85% Christians and about 10-15% Muslim. Today, it is completely the opposite. The Muslim population of Bethlehem is now around 85% and only 15% of the people are Christians. Most of the Arab Christians have gone to Israel or other countries of the world.

The Palestinian Authority is under the control of Islam. It is rooted in terrorism and hatred toward the State of Israel. The terrorist organization founded by the late Yassir Arafat in 1974 - known as "Fatah" is still controlled by one of the original terrorists who partnered with Arafat - he is now the President - Abu Mazen.

There is no Palestinian language, culture, history, etc. The Palestinian State that is being proposed today is a tactic and project of Islamic terrorism, and its ultimate goal is the destruction of the State of Israel. Nothing has changed in the efforts and talk about having peace. Islam is committed to the killing of the Jewish people and it permeates all of their literature.

However, we have many friends who are "Palestinian Arabs" and they need our prayers and support. They are intimidated daily by Islamic control and domination of their lives. They are afraid to say anything, and must be careful about all they think, say, and do. It is a very tense situation.

We don't hate Arabs - we love the Arab peoples of the Middle East and pray for their safety and their salvation. Thanks for listening.


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[disruptor]

Which Palestinians do you mean exactly?

The 4,286 Palestinians murdered by Israeli forces in the recent conflict?
Or the 836 Palestinian children murdered by Israeli forces?

Number of Israeli soldiers killed by "terrorism" in 2005:
6
Israeli soldiers who committed suicide in 2005:
30

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/index.html

"We have to kill all the Palestinians unless they are resigned to live here as slaves." Chairman Heilbrun of the Committee for the Re-election of General Shlomo Lahat, the mayor of Tel Aviv, October 1983.

"Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it." - Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001, to Shimon Peres, as reported on Kol Yisrael radio.

"The thesis that the danger of genocide was hanging over us in June 1967 and that Israel was fighting for its physical existence is only bluff, which was born and developed after the war." Israeli General Matityahu Peled, Ha'aretz, 19 March 1972.

"One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail." -- Rabbi Yaacov Perrin, Feb. 27, 1994 [Source: N.Y. Times, Feb. 28, 1994, p. 1]

I hope that reading Benjamin Freedman's Facts Are Facts will help open your eyes to the truth and make you understand the true nature of the un-Christian criminal Israeli regime which you are so devoted to.

Rev 9:21 And neither repented they of their murders...

Rev 2:9 [I know] the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but [are] the synagogue of Satan.

 

[YESHUA]

Which Palestinians do you mean exactly?

The 4,286 Palestinians murdered by Israeli forces in the recent conflict?
Or the 836 Palestinian children murdered by Israeli forces?

Number of Israeli soldiers killed by "terrorism" in 2005:
6
Israeli soldiers who committed suicide in 2005:
30

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/index.html

"We have to kill all the Palestinians unless they are resigned to live here as slaves." Chairman Heilbrun of the Committee for the Re-election of General Shlomo Lahat, the mayor of Tel Aviv, October 1983.

"Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it." - Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001, to Shimon Peres, as reported on Kol Yisrael radio.

"The thesis that the danger of genocide was hanging over us in June 1967 and that Israel was fighting for its physical existence is only bluff, which was born and developed after the war." Israeli General Matityahu Peled, Ha'aretz, 19 March 1972.

"One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail." -- Rabbi Yaacov Perrin, Feb. 27, 1994 [Source: N.Y. Times, Feb. 28, 1994, p. 1]

I hope that reading Benjamin Freedman's Facts Are Facts will help open your eyes to the truth and make you understand the true nature of the un-Christian criminal Israeli regime which you are so devoted to.

Rev 9:21 And neither repented they of their murders...

Rev 2:9 [I know] the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but [are] the synagogue of Satan.

Maybe you should read your GOD given Bible hande down to us by no other than the JEWS you so openly hate
Romans 11
1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel saying,
3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
5Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.
8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.
9 And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them:
10 Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.
11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?
13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:
14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.
15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?
16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.
17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in.
20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again.
24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.
29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:
31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.
32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!
34 For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor?
35 Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again?
36For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.

Shalom and love b'Shem YESHUA

 

[Joudie]

This is a double post--there was this exact same post (talking about the OP) in the Politics and Government forum. It ended up getting locked. No matter.

YESHUA--Disruptor was simply stating quotes and statistics, not exactly spewing hate. Whether or not he hates Jews is something I'll conclude later because I can't tell yet from what I've read of his posts.

It's true though, many Palestinians have died unjustly at the hands of Israelis. Children are not excluded. I mentioned many things in the other thread of the same title. Here's the link--anything new you want to add would have to be added to this thread because, as mentioned before, the other one's locked.

http://www.christianforums.net/viewtopic.php?t=26353

 

[disruptor]

I have said it before and I'll say it again:
Jews are NOT, repeat NOT, Israel.
Christians are Israel. Jesus says so:

Mat 15:24: But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Christ came for us Christians. So we are Israel. Christ says so.

It's stupid to suggest that Mat 15:24 means Christ came only for Jews. If He came for the Jews only, why would any Christian bother to be Christian? Or are hundreds of millions of Christians wrong to be Christian? I don't think so.

The Jews did not hand down our Bibles to us. God gave us our Bibles via the Israelites.

If you don't understand the difference, please read the book I linked, or any of these 2:

Israel Shahak's Jewish History, Jewish Religion;
Arthur Koestler's The Thirteenth Tribe.

Incidentally, disagreeing with or opposing the actions of someone does not mean "hating" them. And one can equally be motivated by love for the souls and families of those unjustly murdered in the name of Judaism, a non-Christian religion.

Gal 4:16 Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?

 

[KenEOTE]

Mat 15:24: But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Christ came for us Christians. So we are Israel. Christ says so.

Christ didn't come for Christians. Christ came for all people. He is however the Jewish Messiah. You gave alot of quotes about the Evil Isreal killing the innocent what about the Palestinians who kill thousands every year? It seemed a little one sided to me.

I think most "Christians" are very arrogant and ignorant at the same time. They go around loving Jesus but saying His People. Jesus was a Jew. God did promise the Land to Israel. He also made a covenant with Abraham that he would always be with his people. He Made a covenant with the Jews that they would always be his people and he would always be thier God. When we say that we are now his chosen we are saying God changes his Mind and is not the same God he was in the Old Testament. That goes against the very nature of God. God is the same yesterday, today and forever. He does not change.
Christ never said that "Christians" are israel. He never came to start a religion. He did not come to end the Law (of the Jews) he came to fulfill it. He told them to preach first to the Jews and then the ends of the earth. God came first to the Jews. Why are we gentiles so arrogant that we think we need to be the chosen people? What is the need to be the New Israel? We are grafted in Jews into the same line.

 

[therealsuperman64]

The reason the Palestinians are so corrupt is because of their union with church and state. The ignorance and prejudice of their Islamic leaders have caused them to go off killing Jews, heathens, and even Christians while thinking that they are following God's will. You have to give them credit though for killing themselves in suicide missions for what they believe in, I mean how many of us would show that kind of loyalty to our faith. But that's just the nation in general, the people aren't evil people that we should stay away from. They're just like you and me except that what they believe and live for is completely different from us. I think God has done everything he can to reach them but their ignorance has made them deaf to God's word.

 

[Catholic Crusader]

Is it me, or are you equating Palestinians with Arabs and Islam? There is a large community of Palestinian Christians: In fact, they are the ones that call the churches in the Holy Land their local parishes, such as the Church of the Annunciation, the Church at the Holy Sepulchre, the Church in Bethehem at the Nativity, and so on. These Palestian Christians are all but forgotten because we focuse almost exclusively on what we see as Israeli/Jewish vs. Palestinian/Arab conflict. But THEY are the ones that call those historical churches home.

Those people's ancestors are among the first Christians, lest we forget. Today's Palestinian Christians are caught in the Jew/Muslim crossfire, and ignored by the media

 

[Caroline H]

The Palestinian-Israeli conflict is one that will probably not be resolved until Messiah returns. I think that it is sad and unfortunate that there is so much fighting going on, and I don't accept the idea that Israel is innocent in the matter. I do, however, believe that if the Palestinians would actually stop rocketting Israel everytime a peace treaty is attempted, that it would really help.

 

[Tomalomi]

I would honestly be lying if I said I cared. I don't really care who the land belonged to. It wouldn't make much of a difference to me, because I sit here, in America, thinking of better things than this. In the end, when you're lying 6 feet under, is it really going to matter? Really?

 

[Free]

Yes, in the end it will matter. It's an attitude of the heart and it reveals much. That someone could not care that thousands of people have died over this land is utterly astounding, although not surprising.