I Actually Think That They Did The Right Thing

[WIP]

Read my entire first post again it's in there. It might not be in those exact words but I did mention that he has a chance at redemption.

Okay. I missed that part. So then what are your true thoughts? First you condemn him then you hope for him. Very confusing.

 

[for_his_glory]

Well according to God, and the Law given to Moses, I must be under at least a few death sentences.

Anyone without wrong want to cast the first stone.

Only if you premeditated murdering someone.

 

[HeIsRisen2018]

Okay. I missed that part. So then what are your true thoughts? First you condemn him then you hope for him. Very confusing.

*sighs* That's because human emotions are very complicated to understand. I was saying that although a part of me wishes that he would rot in Hell, I realize that he still has a chance of redemption just like the rest of us. Does that make more sense?

 

[dianegcook]

Imho
If we never punish anyone, this world would be nothing but a bunch of thugs.

God is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow.
Deut.19:10-13
Thine eye shall not pity him, but thou shalt put away the guilt of innocent blood from Israel, that it may go well with thee.

 

[dianegcook]

Here is something to think about in terms of repentance.
The man took lives... To repent means he must now give life.
How would that be lived out?
We know Saul murdered Christians, but he repented and brought many to Christ.

Actually I think he never murdered one per se, but did cause some of the stonings.
In Acts 7:58
Saul held their clothes.
He delivered most to prison.

 

[HeIsRisen2018]

Oh yes and let me just point this out (since I keep forgetting to) on the argument that if a murder is sentenced to death then he or she will never get a chance to be remorseful and repent of their sins. That statement is one hundred percent false. StoveBolts mentioned the thief on the cross who asked that Christ would forgive him before he took his last breath and what did Jesus say to him? He told him that he would be with Him in paradise.

 

[stovebolts]

Actually I think he never murdered one per se, but did cause some of the stonings.
In Acts 7:58
Saul held their clothes.
He delivered most to prison.

Yes, this is true. But it should be known that Saul held a political position within the Jewish judicial system and used that position to consent to Stephens death while continuing the persecution toward the Church. We call this systemic sin. It starts by being authorized or winked at from the top and trickled down.

We see this in Acts 8:1 and Acts 9:1 and no doubt more innocent lives were put to death.

So yes, you are correct. Paul never directly murdered anyone, but his persecution of them resulted in many innocent lives being lost.

 

[stovebolts]

Oh yes and let me just point this out (since I keep forgetting to) on the argument that if a murder is sentenced to death then he or she will never get a chance to be remorseful and repent of their sins. That statement is one hundred percent false. StoveBolts mentioned the thief on the cross who asked that Christ would forgive him before he took his last breath and what did Jesus say to him? He told him that he would be with Him in paradise.

Actually, I think WIP mentioned that.

 

[HeIsRisen2018]

Actually, I think WIP mentioned that.

Oops sorry, my bad then. Anyways, I still think that the same point still stands. In my OP though and title of this thread it states that in some particular circumstances, life in prison is better than death because hopefully the guilt of what this man did to his beautiful family will finally get to him. Will it though? That's something that only God knows and time will tell.

 

[WIP]

I think too often we use our laws to inflict punishment rather than invoke justice. I also don't necessarily believe it is our place to punish. Justice is one thing, punishment is something else and should be left up to God.

Take raising my own children. Any time I disciplined them for wrong doing, it was never for the purpose of punishing them. It was always for the purpose of serving justice by disciplining them with the goal of changing their behavior patterns.

 

[stovebolts]

Oops sorry, my bad then. Anyways, I still think that the same point still stands. In my OP though and title of this thread it states that in some particular circumstances, life in prison is better than death because hopefully the guilt of what this man did to his beautiful family will finally get to him. Will it though? That's something that only God knows and time will tell.

I think we're supposed to get mad when we hear about these kinds of things.
Here's the deal, nobody in this conversation can forgive that man for murder. Neither can his wife or children.

What has that man done bad to you or I? Whatever he has done to you or I, would be the only thing he can seek forgiveness from you or I for.

Forgiveness is important, but there are consequences for our actions. In the 10 commandments, half are geared toward God and the others toward one another. Both are equally important.

I pray nobody close to me gets brutally murdered. It angers me that this man thought so little of human life that his own selfish ambitions would cause him to reason away his own offspring and who was to be "flesh of my flesh, bone of my bone". It was a selfish, self centered act and unlikely to be rehabilitated. Personally, I would support the death sentence in this individual case.

 

[HeIsRisen2018]

I think too often we use our laws to inflict punishment rather than invoke justice. I also don't necessarily believe it is our place to punish. Justice is one thing, punishment is something else and should be left up to God.

Take raising my own children. Any time I disciplined them for wrong doing, it was never for the purpose of punishing them. It was always for the purpose of serving justice by disciplining them with the goal of changing their behavior patterns.

I don't really understand what you mean. Care to reword it?

I think we're supposed to get mad when we hear about these kinds of things.
Here's the deal, nobody in this conversation can forgive that man for murder. Neither can his wife or children.

What has that man done bad to you or I? Whatever he has done to you or I, would be the only thing he can seek forgiveness from you or I for.

Forgiveness is important, but there are consequences for our actions. In the 10 commandments, half are geared toward God and the others toward one another. Both are equally important.

I pray nobody close to me gets brutally murdered. It angers me that this man thought so little of human life that his own selfish ambitions would cause him to reason away his own offspring and who was to be "flesh of my flesh, bone of my bone". It was a selfish, self centered act and unlikely to be rehabilitated. Personally, I would support the death sentence in this individual case.

You make a legitimate point here. Even with a life behind bars, what's to stop him from escaping and doing that to other innocent women and children? I've always said that forgiving somebody for their actions doesn't make them any less guilty for their crimes.

 

[WIP]

I don't really understand what you mean. Care to reword it?

I will try. I do not believe it is our place to inflict punishment. When we pass a sentence that requires the offender to serve time in prison, it should not be for the sake of punishing them but rather for the sake of justice to protect others from them. A murderer should get incarcerated because he/she has proven to be a danger to others and needs to be removed from society because he/she is unwilling or unable to follow the rules. This is actually difficult to explain in simple terms.

 

[HeIsRisen2018]

I will try. I do not believe it is our place to inflict punishment. When we pass a sentence that requires the offender to serve time in prison, it should not be for the sake of punishing them but rather for the sake of justice to protect others from them. A murderer should get incarcerated because he/she has proven to be a danger to others and needs to be removed from society because he/she is unwilling or unable to follow the rules. This is actually difficult to explain in simple terms.

Oh I see what you mean now and although I agree with you to some extent,.. I can't a hundred percent agree with you. You know that there's something wrong with this world when I'm angry, mourning, and grieving for a family I didn't know when the man who caused all of this doesn't have a care in the world! He's a sick and disgusting person! :mad

 

[HeIsRisen2018]

You know what? I think that everybody reading this should call your parents and/or tell them that you love them and give them a hug if you got them. I can't even tell you how disgusted that I am that this so called father not only murdered his family, but then threw them out like they were trash! :mad

 

[for_his_glory]

Oh yes and let me just point this out (since I keep forgetting to) on the argument that if a murder is sentenced to death then he or she will never get a chance to be remorseful and repent of their sins. That statement is one hundred percent false. StoveBolts mentioned the thief on the cross who asked that Christ would forgive him before he took his last breath and what did Jesus say to him? He told him that he would be with Him in paradise.

What makes you think they could not truly repent and ask Jesus to be their Lord and Savior before they are put to death? From the time they are imprisoned, go before the judge for sentencing and actually are put to death could be days and even years in the Judicial system.

The example is the thief on the cross.

 

[HeIsRisen2018]

What makes you think they could not truly repent and ask Jesus to be their Lord and Savior before they are put to death? From the time they are imprisoned, go before the judge for sentencing and actually are put to death could be days and even years in the Judicial system.

The example is the thief on the cross.

I never said that. Actually I was just basically saying what you said. I was agreeing with you but kiwidan said that he didn't believe in the death penalty because of the fact that they would never come to Jesus at all and up until the time they're sentenced to the time where they're allowed to speak their final words they have that time and that was the point that I was trying to make.

 

[HeIsRisen2018]

By the way, this is the last video of sweet and innocent little Bella.