[_ Old Earth _] I believe the idiotic stone tool piddlers are fantasy

[reznwerks]

evidence

Reznwerks wrote in reply:

Whatever it took there is no reason to believe God it.

Except he claimed to have done it. You refuse to take his Word for it. Your loss.
There is no evidence for the deity you claim exists.



It is you who can’t see that your own beloved TOE is fraught with it’s own ‘god of the gaps’ theology… Evolution did it. You don’t know how it happened but Evolution brought it about. You can’t explain it but you know your little god, Evolution, did it.
However evolutionists also have what you don't: evidence. Evolutionists may not have all mechanisms of how it occurs but it is a far cry from just willing the answer to be "GAWD did it!" and forget it without even a hint of evidence of either the being or the deed.




Mound your pile of bones, dirt and dog crap evidence to the heavens, it won’t block out God. He created a natural world that functions by the laws that he decreed.
You should be able to back that statement up with some evidence. Do you have any?

If you think discovering some of those laws has made God irrelevant, that’s your fallacy.
Can you show where God is relevant? Can you show where he is or if he is other than showing what you don't know and then attributing it to the "God of the Gaps"?

Enjoy it for what? The next 50-80 years? Then you will learn the truth. How embarrassing then for you. You have my pity.
Are you making a prediction? I for one think that things on earth are getting better. Even according to the bible things will be getting much worse. So far the trend is in the other direction but you can hope if you want. 144,000 out of 7 or 8 billion that are destined to be saved are not good odds unless your ego is bigger than your imagination.



Reznwerks wrote in reply: [quote:ae943] The problem with your statement is that the earths layers are not imaginary. We know how they are layered and they are layered in the exact way you would imagine they would be layered in the theory of how the earth was formed. The theory and evidence compliment each other or too make it simple there is a correlation of evidence and fact.

Your explanation is too simple, to put it simply. The earth’s layers are not the textbook exhibit you see in the artist’s rendering. Sometimes the layers are upside and backwards or missing altogether but you are correct that these problems are simply given a new spin and fit back “in the exact way you would imagine they would be layered in the theory of how the earth was formed.†You are a true believer and nothing would shake your faith in your little god, even if the evidence were a total crock.
Can you please show the textbook where that thought originated? LOL Layers upside down, backwards etc LOL




Reznwerks wrote in reply:

I don't care what you are talking about. Mountains for the most part are formed of formerly molton rock that pushed upward from the earth. It is not as I think you believe left over soil that remains after the surroundings were washed away with the soil around it. Take some geology courses or at least read some geology books.

You would like to think that is what I believe. Too bad it’s not. Use your head. A global flood where the fountains of the deep were broken up would release molten rock and form mountains.
I have never heard of any type of flood being able to break up stone and no evidence exists to suggest that it ever happened. Do you realize how deep the water would have to go to reach molton rock. The idea itself is silly unless you can show where a recognized scientist, geologist etc has actually made this suggestion. Please don't use the ICR and such as I have repeatedly stated and proved that the credentials of these people are either bogus or the people are not schooled in the subject.

This action would set off a chain of geological events that might even change the tilt of the earth’s axis. Extreme climate changes, enormous mudslides, continental crust shifts, massive earthquakes and yes, volcanic activity would continue for years and decades afterward. When are you going to get your mind off the Bible story pictures of a dumpy little boat with giraffes and elephants poking out of the top bobbing happily on a bumpy sea? Grow up and smell the coffee. Your straw man arguments only impress you.
You have an awful lot of ifs there without evidence not to mention an overactive imagination. Do you realize what would have had to occur for your premise to be true. If it happened at all there would be a whole lot of evidence. There isn't any.



UT response: I believe that God may have caused the polar caps to extend further down toward the equator in order to remove some of the flood waters and give the earth time to reform with higher mountains and deeper rifts to accommodate the once subterranean water and allow more inhabitable surface. I don’t know how long that lasted but I would guess less than a tenth of the time you figure.
Believing doesn't make it true.
Reznwerks wrote in reply:

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but not their own facts.

Some people think they can declare their opinions to be facts though. The truth won’t stay buried.
It's not staying buried. More and more are discovering the truth every day. After all there was a time before Darwin when you had all the "truth" there was. Ask yourself what happened. The answer was evidence.

You keep piling those anomalies in your closet and one day when you open it to toss another bad bone on the heap, it will crash down around you and the truth will be out.
The truth is out. You just keep ignoring it. No one is stopping you from viewing it. The truth is obvious.







UT previous: I never left my 6,000 year time frame. The walls of Jericho are incorrectly dated if anyone thinks they are 9,000 years old.
Reznwerks wrote in reply:

Did you inform that to the bible archeologists. Please hurry because a new set of books is due out this fall and it will not be updated. LOL

Actually, I don’t care about their book. If they compromise the book of Genesis, I’m not impressed with their findings any more than I am with the big TOE. You don’t have to be an evolutionist to be wrong. LOL
You sound like a one man university. You make your own theories, declare them true without evidence and ignore real facts you don't like. Sounds objective to me. LOL



UT previous: The dating methods are all hopelessly flawed and you are seriously deluded if you think the anomalies are less important than the dates you prefer.
Well I guess that settles it. The University of Unred is the final word on all things true or false. The U of Unred has declared that the dating methods being used all over the world are wrong and must be rethought and until that time whatever the bible says can and will be considered as fact regardless of evidence to the contrary. LOL


Reznwerks wrote in reply:

Please hurry with your insight. I can't sleep at night thinking that MILLIONS OF ARCEOLOGISTS have it all wrong and only you know the truth.

I doubt if it is millions or that they have it all wrong, but you’re just not impressed with realistic figures. Go back to sleep and dream on...
I'm not impressed with realistic figures? Look at the pot calling the kettle black. LOL



UT previous: Your simplistic view of using light to tell time is also faulty. Light was created in our view by God who probably has a trick or two he hasn’t shown you.
You are using assumptions again and using the God of the Gaps as your explanation. You attribute as many attributes to God as Hollywood attributes to Superman.

Reznwerks wrote in reply:

LOL LOL LOL

There’s a tune I can dance to. I’m glad you’re happy with my post.
I look forward to your posts all the time. It never fails to amaze me and I'm sure the others as well some of the things you write without a shred of evidence to back it up.

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Reznwerks wrote:

I have never heard of any type of flood being able to break up stone and no evidence exists to suggest that it ever happened. Do you realize how deep the water would have to go to reach molton rock. The idea itself is silly unless you can show where a recognized scientist, geologist etc has actually made this suggestion. Please don't use the ICR and such as I have repeatedly stated and proved that the credentials of these people are either bogus or the people are not schooled in the subject.

You have an awful lot of ifs there without evidence not to mention an overactive imagination. Do you realize what would have had to occur for your premise to be true. If it happened at all there would be a whole lot of evidence. There isn't any.

This is a perfect example of your lack of reading comprehension. Are you even out of high school? Are you even in high school yet? Your misunderstanding of my post and your ignorance of natural forces like the power of flood water is astounding. For the last time:

A global flood would unleash forces beyond the power of any tsunami in recorded history. The flood didn’t break up the fountains of the deep, the breakup of the subterranean waters combined with the collapse of the windows of heaven, (possibly some type of water vapor canopy, cloud cover or unknown phenomenon,) caused the flooding of the earth. The terrain was much flatter then and water to cover the land didn’t have to be miles high, btw. The mountains and deep ocean rifts we have today were formed after the flood to drain off the waters from the land. Polar caps extended further toward the equator to hold the water until the plate shifting, earthquakes and volcanic activity created a topography suitable to contain the vast amounts of released water and expose enough inhabitable land areas.

I don’t need my ideas confirmed by any recognized scientist or geologist. I read what they write, use my own experiences and common sense and form my own theories, just as you should do. You seem to enjoy being lead around by the nose and take whatever they say as gospel, until they let you know they were wrong and now you can believe something else that they tell you is gospel. FYI, I have hardly ever gone to the ICR because I prefer to read evolutionary sites so I get the full opposing view firsthand.

You seem to think the evidence is the sole property of your big TOE. Actually, the geological evidence supports my theory just perfectly. You seriously deny flood evidence in the earth’s layers? Volcanic activity? Polar glaciers extending beyond their present boundaries that would flood the earth again if melted? Plate shifting? Massive mudslides that buried thousands of creatures alive? Sea creature fossils on mountaintops virtually around the world? Coal beds and oil pockets that attest to enormous quantities of vegetation and/or animals that were destroyed in mass? Anything else? You tell me the evidence and I’ll fit it into the Genesis/ Jasher accounts. On second thought, you have studied at the University of Unred long enough. Time for your finals. You come up with a plausible theory. C’mon, make me proud. Do your own thinking for a change.

Reznwerks wrote:

I look forward to your posts all the time. It never fails to amaze me and I'm sure the others as well some of the things you write without a shred of evidence to back it up.

Sorry to disappoint my adoring public. Gone fishin’. (… kayaking, swimming, camping, hiking, biking, painting, riding, flying, enjoying God’s creation and praising him for it) Don't wait up for me, but leave the light on, jic. :wink: