I don't want to preach people about political polarizing issues

[Carry_Your_Name]

Holy parents will teach their kids what it is all about.

No they don't, and they're angry at others who do.

 

[Hopeful 2]

No they don't, and they're angry at others who do.

What proof do you have that holy parents don't teach their kids about things of a sexual nature ?

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

What proof do you have that holy parents don't teach their kids about things of a sexual nature ?

Purity culture. And going further back, St. Augustine's theology, that sex is a necessary evil to procreate. Don't take my word for it, go do your own research.

 

[follower]

If the only way to learn about sex in marriage is <tv>, how did anyone learn about it in the years before <tv> ?

One way you just posted>

Holy parents will teach their kids what it is all about.

 

[Hopeful 2]

Purity culture. And going further back, St. Augustine's theology, that sex is a necessary evil to procreate. Don't take my word for it, go do your own research.

Augustine must have just been another heretic.
What does scripture say that nullifies Augustine?
It is written..."Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge." (Heb 13:4)

 

[follower]

What proof do you have that holy parents don't teach their kids about things of a sexual nature ?

What if any evidence do you have that there were or there are ANY holy parents ANY time ?

 

[follower]

Augustine must have just been another heretic.

There aer so many, aren't there ! They way way way more than non-heretics !

 

[Hopeful 2]

What if any evidence do you have that there were or there are ANY holy parents ANY time ?

That doesn't answer my question.
I know there are holy parents right now !

 

[Hopeful 2]

There aer so many, aren't there ! They way way way more than non-heretics !

It will get worse too.
God, please protect us !

 

[follower]

That doesn't answer my question.
I know there are holy parents right now !

fwiw, I do not think you can prove that any parents are holy right now .....

 

[Hopeful 2]

fwiw, I do not think you can prove that any parents are holy right now .....

Were that true, then the church has died.
But I assure you that there are holy parents on earth now.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Augustine must have just been another heretic.
What does scripture say that nullifies Augustine?
It is written..."Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge." (Heb 13:4)

Maybe, but that doesn't justify the general ignorance in sexuality, especially among "holy parents" who treat necessarily knowledge in this aspect as porn. Bible is never shy on sexuality and reproduction.

 

[Hopeful 2]

Maybe, but that doesn't justify the general ignorance in sexuality, especially among "holy parents" who treat necessarily knowledge in this aspect as porn. Bible is never shy on sexuality and reproduction.

"Maybe" ?
How many holy parents do you know ?

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

"Maybe" ?
How many holy parents do you know ?

How many do you know? And what makes them "holy"?

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

If the only way to learn about sex in marriage is porn, how did anyone learn about it in the years before porn ?

This is a gross false presupposition. Porn is not sex education, it's an evil perversion of sex performed by actors of lost souls. You're deceived if you believe sex is like how it's done in porn. In the past, young people learned about sexuality and reproduction from experiened family members, could be parents, elder siblings, cousins, they also observed the mating of farm animals, maybe they peeped at other people having sex - not porn, but real sex, given the fact that ancient people had far less privacy, that was legit sex education, they knew what to expect. If they ask where babies come from, and parents tell them that babies are delivered by storks or just dismiss and shame them, you can't blame them for turning to porn. One parents once said, "it's either you or youporn."

 

[Hopeful 2]

How many do you know? And what makes them "holy"?

I know just under twenty.
Perfect obedience to God makes them holy.

 

[Hopeful 2]

This is a gross false presupposition. Porn is not sex education, it's an evil perversion of sex performed by actors of lost souls. You're deceived if you believe sex is like how it's done in porn. In the past, young people learned about sexuality and reproduction from experiened family members, could be parents, elder siblings, cousins, they also observed the mating of farm animals, maybe they peeped at other people having sex - not porn, but real sex, given the fact that ancient people had far less privacy, that was legit sex education, they knew what to expect. If they ask where babies come from, and parents tell them that babies are delivered by storks or just dismiss and shame them, you can't blame them for turning to porn. One parents once said, "it's either you or you porn."

Then we agree that porn is not necessary in order to learn how to procreate.
Parents are the ones who should be talking about sex with their kids.

 

[Who Me]

Perfect obedience to God makes them holy.

It is Jesus's sacrifice app.ied to repentant sinners that makes one holy.
Yes obedience then becomes part of holiness, but no one is holy just because of obedience.

 

[Hopeful 2]

It is Jesus's sacrifice app.ied to repentant sinners that makes one holy.

No doubt about it.
Doesn't that show us that it is the unrepentant, who have yet to have Jesus' sacrifice applied to them, who are the "unholy" ?

Yes obedience then becomes part of holiness, but no one is holy just because of obedience.

One can't be holy without obedience to God.
There are no holy disobedient people.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

I know just under twenty.
Perfect obedience to God makes them holy.

But you don’t know whether they educate their kids on sexuality or not.

Parents are the ones who should be talking about sex with their kids.

But we don’t agree whether they really do. Most “holy” parents I know perpetuate the purity culture, their main focus was censoring any pornographic imagery, limiting their kids’ access to porn instead of educating their kids on sexuality. They may have the talk about the birds and the bees, but that doesn’t suffice.