I have a problem with churches

[JamesLovesGod]

Hi all.......again

I just attended a baptist church im my area for the first time. I used to go to a pentacostal church befor i mooved address. There seems to be a BIG difference between pentacostal and baptist churches. When i attended church today i felt like i was slipping away for god, i couldnt get motivated, i didnt understand what the preacher was saying, i felt like leaving early. I now feel down and feel like the lord is downhearted with me ( I know he aint, but it feels like it ). Would it be best to go back to my pentacostal church, which is further but more welocming and understanding, or should i stay at this one. What would Jesus want me to do?

Look forward to your comments.

 

[Lyric's Dad]

The Body is made up of many different parts. This is shown in the differing worship styles that are available for you to find the fit that best suits you and your walk with God. I would say go to the church that you feel your walk is right in, as long as it is Biblically based and follows the truths of the Gospel without wavering in any form.


They must teach;

The Bible is the inerrant Word of God, complete and whole and fully His revelation.

That Jesus is the Christ, born of the Virgin Mary, suffering for our sins and being raised again on the third day.

That Faith in Jesus is the ONLY way to the Father. That works will not save, though important in the life of the person who has already been saved.

That the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are one God manifested in three Persons who make up the Triune God of the Bible.

This is a start. Some others might want to pipe in.

 

[supernac]

The Body is made up of many different parts. This is shown in the differing worship styles that are available for you to find the fit that best suits you and your walk with God. I would say go to the church that you feel your walk is right in, as long as it is Biblically based and follows the truths of the Gospel without wavering in any form.


They must teach;

The Bible is the inerrant Word of God, complete and whole and fully His revelation.

That Jesus is the Christ, born of the Virgin Mary, suffering for our sins and being raised again on the third day.

That Faith in Jesus is the ONLY way to the Father. That works will not save, though important in the life of the person who has already been saved.

That the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are one God manifested in three Persons who make up the Triune God of the Bible.

This is a start. Some others might want to pipe in.

If the Trinity is so important why didnt any of the disciple preach about it?
Why didnt Jesus talk about it?

Why did Paul write: 1 Col 1:19??

For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him

1 Col 2:9

For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form
(key word is ALL not one third)

Did Tertullian know more about the Godhead than Paul??

Why did Isaiah write this 43:10-11?

10 "You are my witnesses," declares the LORD,
"and my servant whom I have chosen,
so that you may know and believe me
and understand that I am he.
Before me no god was formed,
nor will there be one after me.

11 I, even I, am the LORD,
and apart from me there is no savior.

Sounds like there is ONE God.

 

[Pelagia]

James,

Pray to God with all your heart and He will guide you. But, I can't help giving a little boost. Try looking up Orthodox Christianity on the net. Just review their liturature. If your heart is starving for spiritual food, you will find a depth you have never tasted before.


supernac wrote:

If the Trinity is so important why didnt any of the disciple preach about it? Why didnt Jesus talk about it?

"Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit." (Matt. 28:19)

BTW, Christ said this. He said in the name and not names, to show that there is one God but Three Persons.

You DO have the complete Bible, right? Or do you just have exerpts?? There are other passages, but this passage, alone, said by Christ Himself, makes the point.

It amazes me how people mis-quote the Bible. You look at one part and don't put the other parts together. It's like looking at one wall in a room and determining the decor of that room by that one wall.

In Christ,

Pelagia

 

[Pelagia]

Lyric's Dad,

That works will not save, though important in the life of the person who has already been saved.

What?? Who can say they are saved before they die? Judas was an Apostle and he was the example that being saved is not a guarentee.

Where do you get this from??

In Christ,

Pelagia

 

[supernac]

Find me one person in the scripture that was baptized under that formula. The Disciple's ALLWAYS baptized in the name of Jesus.

Acts 2:38
Peter replied, "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

It amazes me how people like to add concepts to the Bible.
You cant even find the word "Trinity" in the scripture's.
Thats how important it was to Jesus.

 

[Lyric's Dad]

Lyric's Dad,

That works will not save, though important in the life of the person who has already been saved.

What?? Who can say they are saved before they die? Judas was an Apostle and he was the example that being saved is not a guarentee.

Where do you get this from??

In Christ,

Pelagia

Ya know people. This person came looking for some advice. I will not be responding as I don't think turning his thread into a debate is a very decent thing to do. If you want to discuss the issue of assurity of salvation, open a thread. Otherwise, let's keep on topic.

 

[supernac]

If you take the COMPLETE Bible into context, you will see that there is only ONE God, not three in One.

Isa 9:6

For unto us a Child is born,
Unto us a Son is given;
And the government will be upon His shoulder.
And His name will be called
Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

 

[Merry Menagerie]

I know how you feel. I moved town about 2 years ago and I have been to another assembly of the same church I went to 2 years ago and I feel so out-of-it. So now I've been fellowshipping with others outside of the church and getting fed that way. I still attend occassionally though, just for a bit of variation.

 

[Pelagia]

supernac wrote:

Find me one person in the scripture that was baptized under that formula. The Disciple's ALLWAYS baptized in the name of Jesus.

Then WHY did Jesus state the following: "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit." (Matt. 28:19)

I showed you the verse and you still argue. why do you argue about what the Apostle said? Is Paul's word above Christ's?? Think about it.

Also read: Acts 1:3-8. Here Christ speaks about the Father and the Holy Spirit and He also mentions that the Holy Spirit will be witness to Him(Jesus). He mentions the three persons.

This is all I'm going to say about it. There's no point in showing the obvious when someone refuses to see it.

In Christ

Pelagia

 

[supernac]

The Disciple's were not confused about what Jesus said.
He said the Name not name's as you stated. They knew
he was all of those things.

According to you the Disciple's baptized using the wrong formula,
dont you think the Lord would have told them/sent a vision letting them know they were doing it wrong??? What else do you thing they were wrong about??

How does Acts 1:3-8 explain the Trinity?? It shows the manifestations
that God works through. Your under the assumption that God can only
be in one place at a time, God was in Jesus, yet still in his Kingdom.

John 1

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. 4 In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend[a] it


Col 2:9

For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily

(not one third)!!!


1 John 5:7

For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.

John 14:7-10

7 “If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; and from now on you know Him and have seen Him.â€Â
8 Philip said to Him, “Lord, show us the Father, and it is sufficient for us.â€Â
9 Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? 10 Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak on My own authority; but the Father who dwells in Me does the works.

Do you even know how the Trinty came about??? You may want to do some research before you blindly belive in what man has turned into
a "creed"(where does God give us permission to make our own creeds).

 

[Tzalam]

JamesLovesGod, I'm inclined to agree with LyricsDad responses, (as much as that irks me, he IS right on this topic)
And, I agree with him, in the fact that if you all want to help James out, do it, by answering his questions.
If you want a debate to focus on you, start a new topic.

James, a lot of churches have gone downhill. Baptist churches are guilty of watering down the gospel, and compromising with the world, the flesh, and the devil, lately. I'm not surprised that you felt unmotivated, and like leaving early. I find that to be common in many church pulpits today, the pastor, preacher, priest, whatever, is either a lost man in the pulpit, or a man so wickedly compromised that what he says is useless.
Keep looking.
You might find a good, God fearing, Bible respecting church. It might not be a Baptist church, but, you could find a group of true believers out there, somewhere.
The churches of today are a sorry mess, for the most part. The Sunday school lessons are grotesque parodies of God's word, and the congregations are blind, deaf, and mute when it comes to understanding the wisdom of God, in the bible in their laps.

 

[supernac]

The Body is made up of many different parts. This is shown in the differing worship styles that are available for you to find the fit that best suits you and your walk with God. I would say go to the church that you feel your walk is right in, as long as it is Biblically based and follows the truths of the Gospel without wavering in any form.


They must teach;

The Bible is the inerrant Word of God, complete and whole and fully His revelation.

That Jesus is the Christ, born of the Virgin Mary, suffering for our sins and being raised again on the third day.

That Faith in Jesus is the ONLY way to the Father. That works will not save, though important in the life of the person who has already been saved.

That the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are one God manifested in three Persons who make up the Triune God of the Bible.

This is a start. Some others might want to pipe in.

In defense LD clearly listed HIS opinions on what a "church" must
teach. Sense it is a opinion, it is open to debate.

 

[Steve]

Go back to the Pentecostal Church. Personally, I feel yucky in a huge Assembly of God not far from me with the sappy, shallow, repetetive choruses, overhead screens, and moronically shallow messages, alot of which are taken from 'The Message' so-called-Bible. Find a traditional. old-time Pentecostal Church that is affiliated with a denomination(Cleveland, Tennessee, Church of God; Church of God of Prophecy; Pentecostal Holiness; etc.

For doctrinal solidity, try a Presbyterian Church in America(PCA). A little dry, but solid. Also, the Reformed Episcopal Church(REC).

Avoid Eastern Orthodoxy like the plague. A VERY unwelcoming bunch, if there ever was one; and you'll get bogged down with their ethnic luggage, which is VERY heavy.

The Catholics, as a people, are very friendly and welcoming. Go and see for yourself.

The Missouri and Wisconsin Synod Lutheran Churches are solid asnd believeing.

So, there ARE some choices, after all. Try not to get yourself mixed up in these 'non-denominational' or 'independent' affairs. They are usually one man shows, and are accountable to NO-ONE.

 

[lovely]

Hello again to you too, James.

JameslovesGod wrote:

I just attended a baptist church im my area for the first time. I used to go to a pentacostal church befor i mooved address. There seems to be a BIG difference between pentacostal and baptist churches. When i attended church today i felt like i was slipping away for god, i couldnt get motivated, i didnt understand what the preacher was saying, i felt like leaving early. I now feel down and feel like the lord is downhearted with me ( I know he aint, but it feels like it ). Would it be best to go back to my pentacostal church, which is further but more welocming and understanding, or should i stay at this one. What would Jesus want me to do?

James, it seems like you are comparing these two churches in your mind. You mentioned that you could not get motivated, and that you could not understand what the minister was saying.

I think that it is a given that you should be in a Bible-believing church. That means that you must stay in the Word so that you are able to indentify one. But it sounds like your problem is with the format, or methods, of the two churches. I am not of either religion, but I do feel that both hold to the fundamental truths of Scripture that are important for spreading the Truth of the Gospel.

I had a conversation with a pentecostal friend who described a visit to my church the same way. She is use to a more "lively" worship service. Her minister preaches topically and has more "enthusiasim" in his sermon style. At, least this is the way she described it to me. She felt like she was not, "moved". I disagree with her on this because I feel that worship is not motivated by external things such as music, or a minister shouting from the pulpit. I go to worship Him, and see what I can bring to Him, not the other way around.

Now when my family went to visit them on a revival night, we were in shock! lol There were drums in the church! The music was fast and loud, and everyone prayed at the same time. The minister was yelling, and my children were petrified. Later in the car ride home, my son commented (he was 6 at the time) that the minister was not respectful of the sanctuary. lol He did not understand, and my husband had to tell him, that many people worship differently than what we are accustomed to. That the yelling and jumping that he was doing was not meant as disrespect. During the service I was confused and unsettled by all the external stimulation. But as I focused on Him, I was able to set my heart and mind on the Lord. Never the less, I left feeling quite thankful for our church that was quieter, and more expositional in it's teaching.

Is it possible that you are in a new place, not feeling quite at home, and in unfamiliar territory? I do believe in attending in your community if you can find a Bible-believing church there. Do you think if you attended for a while you would feel more comfortable eventually?

I will keep you in my prayers as the Lord leads you in this area. Trust in Him, stay prayerful and in His Word, and He will lead you.

Blessings.

 

[Tzalam]

I think that it is a given that you should be in a Bible-believing church. That means that you must stay in the Word so that you are able to indentify one.

AMEN, SISTAH!

 

[Tzalam]

The Body is made up of many different parts. This is shown in the differing worship styles that are available for you to find the fit that best suits you and your walk with God. I would say go to the church that you feel your walk is right in, as long as it is Biblically based and follows the truths of the Gospel without wavering in any form.


They must teach;

The Bible is the inerrant Word of God, complete and whole and fully His revelation.

That Jesus is the Christ, born of the Virgin Mary, suffering for our sins and being raised again on the third day.

That Faith in Jesus is the ONLY way to the Father. That works will not save, though important in the life of the person who has already been saved.

That the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are one God manifested in three Persons who make up the Triune God of the Bible.

This is a start. Some others might want to pipe in.

In defense LD clearly listed HIS opinions on what a "church" must
teach. Sense it is a opinion, it is open to debate.

Those aren't opinions, dearie.
8-)

 

[supernac]

'That the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are one God manifested in three Persons who make up the Triune God of the Bible. '

Try to find the above in the Bible, good luck!!!
Try to find "Triune God" , if it's so true it should be there!!
Sorry truth is in the Bible. NOT in man.
Just becaus millions of people belive, does not make it true.
Millions thought the world was flat, it was round the whole time!!!

 

[KingofMusic]

There are baptist churchs that are DEAD. I used to attend one. Then I came to First Family Church, in Overland Park, Kansas. This church is like non other. We are constantly doing something cool. We are currently building a childrens building and a youth building. The youth building is going to be open EVERY DAY!!!!

We always have special guests and events. It is so COOL. Our pastor, Jerry Johnston, is AWESOME!!! He will challenge you with EVERY MESSAGE!

 

[SputnikBoy]

There are baptist churchs that are DEAD. I used to attend one. Then I came to First Family Church, in Overland Park, Kansas. This church is like non other. We are constantly doing something cool. We are currently building a childrens building and a youth building. The youth building is going to be open EVERY DAY!!!!

We always have special guests and events. It is so COOL. Our pastor, Jerry Johnston, is AWESOME!!! He will challenge you with EVERY MESSAGE!

Sputnik: Sounds great and I hope you encourage many people to Jesus. I wonder, however, what 'cool' means in relation to the spreading of the gospel. Was Jesus 'cool'? And, if so ...what made Him 'cool'? The word 'cool' is a much bandies around one, particularly among the youth. I often wonder whether Jesus could REALLY relate to some of these 'cool' and 'awesome' churches.