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I Kissed Dating Goodbye

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This post is about a book, but it deals with singles. I debated about where to put this for awhile, and if my decision is wrong, will someone move it for me? (Sorry to be a nuisance.) Anyways...on to my post.

I've been reading Joshua Harris's book I Kissed Dating Goodbye, and was wondering if anyone else here has? I think it has a lot of good information in it. It has brought to light many things I had never thought about before. It's even changed my perspective some about dating. It's also forced me to acknowledge things about myself that I was adamantly ignoring. Has anyone else read it and have any comments?
 
I think it's fine where it's at. I've always intended to read the book, but I've already kissed dating goodbye without the book. I still intend to read it eventually.
 
Hi Cly,

When my older kids got into dating age, I consumed the book :wink:
It just seems wise to me to involve the parents who love these kids and
can see from an experienced vantage point.

Had this book been out when I was dating- I would have been spared much heartache. I DID try getting my parents involved with my dating, but they were very reluctant.

The concept of the book is honorable- I'd love to see a return to such standards.
 
:) Hi

I am not single but I would like to say that when I was growing up we were taught to pray for our mate from the age of 13 on that God would keep him or her and watch over them. save them if they were not saved. Keep them from drugs or other things etc. I also prayed for Blue eyes, French and Love the Lord more then I do, and Just so tall above me.

Never dated was not allowed to came from old school. We had fun with youth groups and knew people and worked with street people to be saved but I never looked for my mate I new God was bigger then I and would bring about this person in my life.

Well he did and He was just so tall and Blue eyed and French when I found out about him. God told me he was to be my husband. When I met him I went home and Asked God are you sure about this one? HA! Ha! I laugh about it now. Yes he told me so I waited two years as my parents would not allow me to still date him.

J. my huband new I was going to marry him too so that was great but I had to wait till I was 21 that was two years.
We got together Had my First Kiss, First Date and First engagement and married in 3 months time and we are still together today. 32 years later.
We have had our ups and downs but all marriages do.
But God put us together and we new it that kept us from doing anything against the Truth we believed in and the Word of God.
What God hath Truly put together let NO man put Assunder.

Were a Till Death do us part. Thank God I prayed for this to be in my life and God was greater then all my Flesh and my own Choices would be.
He came out in Victory for a Soulmate for my life forever.
RJD Servant
All of you Singles think about this and know that God has a plan for your life and Man or Woman for it also he Know we just want to try anything to see if we are right with in our fleshly choices.
What God did for me He WILL do For YOU because he is not respecter of persons you just have to have Faith and trust and believe with out a shadow of a doubt he can do this for you. Thanks for letting me answer in this form.
 
:) Hi
Sorry but I wanted you to know that my children did the same thing as me and they ended up with great husbands and wives forever.
I have three that are married and I have 9 grandchildren.
I have two teens left and they are in the process of Praying there mate into there lives for all eternity.
So see it does work!!!! :) :) :) :)
Trial and error is a pain dirctly to the heart, Trust God and Pray.
RJD Servant
 
RJD, thanks for sharing your story! It's very enlightening and hopeful! It's great, in my opinion, to have your input! Thank you, again.
 
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I Kissed Dating Goodbye
Excerpts from the book by Joshua Harris



Seven habits of highly defective dating

1) Dating leads to intimacy, but not necessarily to commitment.
2) Dating tends to skip the 'friendship' stage of a relationship.

3) Dating often mistakes a physical relationship for love.

4) Dating often isolates a couple from other vital relationships.

5) Dating distracts young adults from their primary responsibility of preparing for the future.

6) Dating can cause discontentment with God's gift of singleness.

7) Dating creates an artificial environment for evaluating someone's character.

Unless a man is prepared to ask a woman to be his wife, what right has he to claim her exclusive attention? Unless she has been asked to marry him, why would a sensible woman promise any man her exclusive attention?


Hints

1) Friendship is about something other than the two people, something other than the two friends being together. The key to friendship is a common goal or object on which both companions focus. As soon as the two people involved focus on the relationship (intimacy), it has moved beyond friendship.
2) Include others (i.e. friends, family, or strangers) instead of isolating yourselves with just one person.

3) Seek opportunities to serve, not to be entertained.


Early stages of Attraction
In the early stages of attraction, when you have a difficult time remaining clearheaded, , think of an imaginary dialogue; something like this:


Q: What's you relationship to this woman?
A: She's a sister in Christ whom I'm instructed to treat with absolute purity.

Q: Exactly! She's not just a pretty face or a potential wife!

A: No, she's a child of God. God has a plan for her. He's shaping her and molding her into something special.

Q: So, what is your responsibility to her?

A: My responsibility is to make sure I don't get in the way of what God is doing. I should encourage her to keep her focus and dependence on God.

Q: Okay, good. Now to whom is your second responsibility?

A: My second responsibility is to the people around me.

Q: Why do you have to care what they think?

A: Because I have a responsibility to keep the unity of the group, to model the love of Jesus to outsiders, and to set an example for other believers.

Q: And your primary responsibility is to God. Correct?

A: Exactly. I am responsible to keep my way pure, serve others as Christ did, and love my neighbor as myself.



Prayer
"Lord, help me to appreciate this woman/man without elevating her/him above you in my heart. Help me to remember that nobody can ever take your place in my life. You are my strength, my hope, my joy, and my ultimate reward. Bring me back to reality, God. Give me an undivided heart."


What to do when people ask you why you don't play the dating game

1) We should communicate our convictions about dating with humility and from a desire to please God, not to put others down.
2) You don't have to prove someone wrong to do what you know is right. Pray that God will show them the same mercy he has shown you. Don't continue to hound them, God will work in their lives when they're ready. We need to respect people's prerogative to disagree with us and hope that our own example will draw them closer to obedience to God.

3) Our primary purpose for communicating with others should be their encouragement and growth. Be humble and honest about how you're trying to be obedient.



Think on these things
Look for, and work on becoming, a man or woman who, as a single, seeks God wholeheartedly, putting Jesus before anything else. Don't worry about impressing the opposite sex. Instead, strive to please and glorify God. Along the way you'll catch the attention of people with the same priorities.

In Genesis 24, Rebekah was able to meet God's divine appointment for her life (marriage) because she was faithfully carrying out her current obligations. She had a ready willingness to serve others. These qualities put her in the right place at the right time with the right attitude when God intended to match her with Isaac.

Holy Matrimony, like other holy orders, was never intended as a comfort station for lazy people. On the contrary, it is a systematic program of deliberate self-sacrifice. Marriage is really a drastic course of action. It is a radical step and is not intended for anyone who is not prepared, indeed eager, to surrender his own will and to be wholeheartedly submissive to the will of another.

God's perfect love isn't only for our benefit. A model wears clothing to attract attention to the designer's creativity. The model displays the designer's work, but the designer's reputation is on the line, not the model's. In the same way, as servants of Christ, we model God's love, whether or not we realize it. People watch us, and what they see affects God's reputation for loving his creation.

Before his wedding, a groom reached out his hand to his father-in-law to be and said, "Thank you for trusting me with your daughter." The man replied, "I don't trust you." Then, after a long pause, he said, "I trust God." This father had his trust in the right place.


Marriage
Before a couple marries, they should believe that it is the Will of God that they should marry. If God has not revealed His will in your heart, you have no business getting married. If you marry without God revealing this as His perfect will to you, when storms come, and they will come, you will have questions: "What if I had married another Christian? Would I have had these problems? I should have made sure it was God's Will. I feel trapped." Then your heart will grow weary, and you will not be able to fight against the adversity that blows against your marriage. You will be a double-minded Christian and unstable in all your ways.
 
Excerpts from I Kissed Dating Goodbye

Chapter One


So This Is Love?

Beyond What Feels Good, Back to What Is Good


It was finally here-Anna's wedding day, the day she had dreamed about and planned for months. The small, picturesque church was crowded with friends and family.

Sunlight poured through the stained-glass windows, and the gentle music of a string quartet filled the air. Anna walked down the aisle toward David. Joy surged within her. This was the moment for which she had waited so long. He gently took her hand, and they turned toward the altar.

But as the minister began to lead Anna and David through their vows, the unthinkable happened. A girl stood up in the middle of the congregation, walked quietly to the altar, and took David's other hand. Another girl approached and stood next to the first, followed by another. Soon, a chain of six girls stood by him as he repeated his vows to Anna.

Anna felt her lip begin to quiver as tears welled up in her eyes. "Is this some kind of joke?" she whispered to David.

"I'm ... I'm sorry, Anna," he said, staring at the floor.

"Who are these girls, David? What is going on?" she gasped.

"They're girls from my past," he answered sadly. "Anna, they don't mean anything to me now ... but I've given part of my heart to each of them."

"I thought your heart was mine," she said.

"It is, it is," he pleaded. "Everything that's left is yours."

A tear rolled down Anna's cheek. Then she woke up.



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Betrayed

Anna told me about her dream in a letter. "When I awoke I felt so betrayed," she wrote. "But then I was struck with these sickening thoughts: How many men could line up next to me on my wedding day? How many times have I given my heart away in short-term relationships? Will I have anything left to give my husband?"

I often think of Anna's dream. The jarring image haunts me. There are girls from my past, too. What if they showed up on my wedding day? What could they say in the receiving line?

"Hello, Joshua. Those were some pretty lofty promises you made at the altar today. I hope you're better at keeping promises now than you were when I knew you."

"My, don't you look nice in that tuxedo. And what a beautiful bride. Does she know about me? Have you told her all the sweet things you used to whisper in my ear?"

There are relationships I can only look back on with regret. I do my best to forget. I laugh them off as part of the game of love that everyone plays.

I know that God has been faithful to forgive as I've asked Him to. And I know that the various girls have forgiven me, because I've asked them to.

But I'm still aware of the consequences of my selfishness. I gave my heart away too many times. And I took from girls what wasn't mine.


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Living for Myself

My own self-centered approach to romance started young. Even though I grew up in a Christian home, by the time I reached junior high I had embraced a very ungodly attitude toward relationships. I didn't fear God. Despite my parents' diligence and godly example, I was living for sin and my own pleasure.

The older guys on my gymnastics team bragged about the different girls they had slept with. I was mesmerized by their stories. Sin sounded so enticing. With a friend I stole pornographic magazines from a bookstore and pored over them, stoking the fire of my own sinful cravings-I was enslaved to lust, and girls were nothing more than objects to satisfy my desire. One night I snuck out of the house for a prearranged meeting with three girls and made out with each of them one after the other.

Looking back, I'm sickened by these memories, but at the time I only wanted more. The fact that I remained a virgin during those years is, to be honest, a miracle. It had everything to do with God's mercy and nothing to do with any self-control or virtue on my part. I can easily be brought to tears when I think about where I'd be today if God had not chosen to intervene.

God convicted me of my disobedience through a message given by Randy Alcorn at a retreat I attended my freshman year in high school. Randy spoke about heaven. He talked about how Jesus died for my sins. Even though I claimed to be a Christian, as I listened I knew that I wasn't living for God. I had to change.

I repented of my sin right then, and when I got home from the retreat I threw away the pornographic magazines and paid the bookstore for what I'd stolen (I was too embarrassed to tell them in person, but I left a note with the money on the counter). At the same time I quit the gymnastics team and got involved with my church's youth group. My next girlfriend was a Christian and we didn't even kiss. I became a student leader and gained a reputation as someone who was serious about his faith. I assumed that my love life was now pleasing to God.

But I still had a lot to learn.




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Not Quite Forever

Although I'm grateful for the changes I made then, I now recognize that much of it was superficial. I wasn't sneaking out to meet girls in the middle of the night anymore, but most of my wrong attitudes remained the same. My main concerns were still my own gratification and the fun I could gain from relationships with girls. I liked the way I felt when a girl liked me. I enjoyed the rush I got from flirting or expressing my feelings to a girl. I was still very immature and selfish.

In church my friends and I played the dating game with passion-more passion, I regret to say, than we gave to worshiping or listening to sermons. During Sunday morning services we passed notes about who liked whom, who was going out with whom, and who had broken up with whom.

During my sophomore year, my involvement in the dating game took a more serious turn. That summer I met Kelly. She had just become a Christian and was new to my church. She was beautiful, blond, and two inches taller than me. But I didn't mind. Kelly was popular, and all the guys liked her. Since I was the only guy who had the nerve to talk to her, she ended up liking me. I asked her to be my girlfriend at the youth group water-ski retreat and sealed our new relationship with a kiss.

Kelly was my first serious girlfriend. Everyone in our youth group recognized us as a couple. We celebrated our "anniversary" every month. Finding ways to spend time together and worrying about the current status of our relationship consumed my energy.

Kelly knew me better than anyone else. After my folks were asleep, Kelly and I would spend hours on the phone, often late into the night, talking about everything and nothing in particular. We thought God had made us for each other. We talked about getting married someday. We began expressing our feelings physically. I promised her that I would love her forever.

My parents didn't want me in a serious relationship, but they adored Kelly. They enjoyed the time she spent with the family. Their love for both of us blinded them to the fact that we were headed in a dangerous direction. They had no idea about our sinful physical relationship. I hid that from them. I never lied outright to my mom and dad, but I half-answered questions and tried to put things in a better light.

Like many high school relationships, our romance was premature-too much, too soon. And our struggle against sexual sin was a losing battle. Though we never actually had sex, we were dishonoring God. We were violating each other's purity, and our spiritual lives were stagnant as a result.

After a summer missions trip that kept us apart for two months, I ended the relationship.

"We have to break up," I said to her one night after a movie. We both knew this was coming.

"Is there any chance we can have something in the future?" she asked.

"No," I said, trying to add resolve to my voice. "No, it's over."

We broke up two years after we'd met. Not quite "forever," as I had promised.


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A Heart Made New

I was seventeen years old when my relationship with Kelly ended. I walked away asking, "Is this how it's supposed to be?" I felt discouraged, confused, and desperate for an alternative to the cycle of short-term relationships in which I found myself.

For the first time I really began to question how my faith as a Christian affected my love life. There had to be more to it than "don't have sex" and "date only Christians." What did it mean to genuinely care about the girls I knew? What did it feel like to really be pure-in my body and my heart? And how did God want me to spend my single years? Was it merely a time to try out different girls romantically? Was dating such a good idea for me?

Books like Passion and Purity by Elisabeth Elliot and long talks with my dad and mom began to change my perspective. Slowly, and in spite of my resistance, God was peeling away layer after layer of wrong thinking, wrong values, and wrong desires.

Some people who hear about my decision not to date till I'm ready for marriage assume that my heart must've broken. No, my heart was made new by my Savior. The change in my attitude was the result of realizing the implications of belonging to Him. The Son of God died for me! He came to free me from the hopelessness of living for myself. That had to change everything-including my love life. Having a girlfriend was no longer my greatest need. Knowing and obeying Him was. I wanted to please Him in my relationships even if it meant looking radical and foolish to other people-even if it meant kissing dating goodbye.





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This Is Love

I've come to understand that God's lordship in my life doesn't merely tinker with my approach to romance-it completely transforms it. God not only wants me to act differently; He wants me to think differently-to view love, purity, and singleness from His perspective, to have a new lifestyle and a new attitude.

The basis of this new attitude is God's love for us. John explains the connection between God's love and the way we relate to others in 1 John 4:10-11:

This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins. Dear friends, since God so loved us, we also ought to love one another.


Do you see what John is saying? God's amazing love for us at the cross provides both the example and the power for us to love others. People whose sins have been forgiven through faith in Jesus' death on the cross can't live or love the same ever again. We've been set free from our old self-centered life. We used to be controlled by what felt good, but now, as new creations, we're to be controlled by God's love. In 2 Corinthians 5:14-15, Paul writes:

For the love of Christ controls us, because we have concluded this: that one has died for all, therefore all have died; and he died for all, that those who live might no longer live for themselves but for him who for their sake died and was raised. (ESV)


The Bible teaches that if we truly trust in Jesus Christ, we die to our old way of living. And we can no longer live for ourselves-we now live for God and for the good of others.

Because of that, relationships with the opposite sex can no longer be about "having a good time" or "learning what I want in a relationship." They're not to be about getting, but giving. Every relationship for a Christian is an opportunity to love another person like God has loved us. To lay down our desires and do what's in his or her best interest. To care for him or her even when there's nothing in it for us. To want that person's purity and holiness because it pleases God and protects him or her.

So whether or not we take a break from dating, if our dating is controlled by Christ's love it will look so radically different than the relationships around us that we'll want to come up with a different name for it!

In recent years, I've tried to let God's love as displayed at the cross define the way I love members of the opposite sex. This kind of love leads to some very practical changes in the way a person approaches relationships. Personally, I've come to some pretty intense conclusions for my life. I've come to realize that while friendships with the opposite sex are great, I have no business asking for a girl's heart and exclusive affections if I'm not ready to consider marriage. Until I can do that, I'd only be using that girl to meet my short-term needs, not seeking to bless her for the long term. Would I enjoy having a girlfriend right now? You bet! But I wouldn't truly be loving her and putting her interests first.

As I've sought God's will for my life, I've discovered that a relationship wouldn't be best for me or for the one I'd date right now. Instead, by avoiding romantic, one-on-one relationships before God tells me I'm ready, I can better serve girls as a friend, and I can remain free to keep my focus on the Lord.

So even though I'm not romantically attached, I'm loving the girls in my life more than I ever did in the past. And not with the selfish kind of love I practiced so often in the past. I'm loving them based on what God says is truly loving.

True love isn't just expressed in passionately whispered words or an intimate kiss or an embrace; before two people are married, love is expressed in self-control, patience, even words left unsaid.






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Knowing What's Best

Waiting until I'm ready for commitment before pursuing romance is just one example of letting Christ's love control my relationships with the opposite sex. Each person has to examine his or her own life and ask what it means to love others like Christ. I won't pretend that the day-to-day issues of dealing with attraction or how close a friendship should get are easy to sort through (we'll talk more about this later in the book). But I'm learning to make God's Word, not my feelings, the guide. And as I do, my love is getting smarter. Yes, the Bible actually teaches that our love can and should grow in knowledge. Paul writes in Philippians 1:9-10:

And this is my prayer: that your love may abound more and more in knowledge and depth of insight, so that you may be able to discern what is best and may be pure and blameless until the day of Christ.


The way we love others should constantly grow and deepen in its knowledge and insight. And when our love grows in knowledge, we can more readily "discern what is best" for our lives. Don't we all desperately need that discernment?

After all, when we engage in guy-girl relationships, we're not always choosing between absolute wrong and absolute right. Often the choice is between what's good and what's best.

For example, even though I decided to quit the dating scene, I don't believe that dating in and of itself is sinful.



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Some Notes from Josh Harris

What I've Learned Since I Kissed Dating Goodbye



excerpt:

... Recently I've been working on a series of posts summarizing some messages I've done in the past few years on the topic of relationships. Unfortunately, because of my work on my new book, I haven't had time to go into the depth I was hoping to for this series. Hopefully I'll get to do that in the future, for now I wanted to share the links to the three messages for anyone interested.

These messages all reflect, in one way or another, things that I've learned since I wrote the book I Kissed Dating Goodbye twelve years ago. I still stand by the message of that book that premature, short-term romantic attachments can be a big distraction from serving Godâ€â€especially for teenagers. But in the years since I've also seen that a legalistic application of these ideas can be unhelpful, too. One of my main concerns in my church or any other church is that there be no disunity among Christians over issues of dating and courtship. We need to learn to hold our own convictions on this matter with charity. Most importantly we need to make sure that our convictions are shaped by scriptureâ€â€not culture, church culture or my books.

The following messages were given in the context of wanting to serve my own church and clear up what I see as a wrong application of ideas I've written about. I hope these are helpful.

"Romance Revisited" is a message I did last summer at our church's annual youth retreat. My main burden was to challenge teens to cultivate their own biblical convictions on the topic of dating and relationships, and to make the distinction between commands from God's word and the wise application of biblical principles.

"Courtship Shmourtship" addresses some misconceptions people can have about courtship, and examines biblical principles that should inform our relationships. I speak to singles who are so concerned with "guarding each others heart" that they're not talking to one another.

"Courtship is a Community Project" looks at how godly relationships can function in the context of the local church. It's a challenge to the whole church to come alongside single men and women and provide support and encouragement as they pursue relationships.

One final note: the last two messages are included in video form on a DVD that my publisher released. And the most complete summary of my thoughts about honoring God while pursuing romance is found in my book Boy Meets Girl which I wrote after I got married. ...

courtesy of Josh Harris.


And for more updates click link: Josh Harris ( posted Feb 14,2009 )

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cly said:
This post is about a book, but it deals with singles. I debated about where to put this for awhile, and if my decision is wrong, will someone move it for me? (Sorry to be a nuisance.) Anyways...on to my post.

I've been reading Joshua Harris's book I Kissed Dating Goodbye, and was wondering if anyone else here has? I think it has a lot of good information in it. It has brought to light many things I had never thought about before. It's even changed my perspective some about dating. It's also forced me to acknowledge things about myself that I was adamantly ignoring. Has anyone else read it and have any comments?

Cly,

I read the book. I thought it had good ideas for those who are just touching the dating/courtship scene. I found it hard to apply to my life personally because I was way past everything he brought up in the book...made me feel bad for being "tainted." I even rolled my eyes a little at all the cheese in there.

But it did open up my eyes to the idea of being courted. And it made me realize that even with my past, I still have the chance to opt for courtship and not do the same old thing I've done in the past. So, it does have some smart ideas.
 
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LaMexicana, I was wondering, have you read any of the updates Josh wrote since he wrote that book, ( as provided in the quote below ), and if so, what are your thoughts are on his recent reflections? :chin


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Some Notes from Josh Harris

What I've Learned Since I Kissed Dating Goodbye



excerpt:

... Recently I've been working on a series of posts summarizing some messages I've done in the past few years on the topic of relationships. Unfortunately, because of my work on my new book, I haven't had time to go into the depth I was hoping to for this series. Hopefully I'll get to do that in the future, for now I wanted to share the links to the three messages for anyone interested.

These messages all reflect, in one way or another, things that I've learned since I wrote the book I Kissed Dating Goodbye twelve years ago. I still stand by the message of that book that premature, short-term romantic attachments can be a big distraction from serving Godâ€â€especially for teenagers. But in the years since I've also seen that a legalistic application of these ideas can be unhelpful, too. One of my main concerns in my church or any other church is that there be no disunity among Christians over issues of dating and courtship. We need to learn to hold our own convictions on this matter with charity. Most importantly we need to make sure that our convictions are shaped by scriptureâ€â€not culture, church culture or my books.

The following messages were given in the context of wanting to serve my own church and clear up what I see as a wrong application of ideas I've written about. I hope these are helpful.

"Romance Revisited" is a message I did last summer at our church's annual youth retreat. My main burden was to challenge teens to cultivate their own biblical convictions on the topic of dating and relationships, and to make the distinction between commands from God's word and the wise application of biblical principles.

"Courtship Shmourtship" addresses some misconceptions people can have about courtship, and examines biblical principles that should inform our relationships. I speak to singles who are so concerned with "guarding each others heart" that they're not talking to one another.

"Courtship is a Community Project" looks at how godly relationships can function in the context of the local church. It's a challenge to the whole church to come alongside single men and women and provide support and encouragement as they pursue relationships.

One final note: the last two messages are included in video form on a DVD that my publisher released. And the most complete summary of my thoughts about honoring God while pursuing romance is found in my book Boy Meets Girl which I wrote after I got married. ...

courtesy of Josh Harris.


And for more updates click link: Josh Harris ( posted Feb 14,2009 )

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I didn't see that. That's pretty interesting.

I actually wrote Joshua Harris an email after reading his books letting him know that I could not apply his ideas to my life because I was past "the point" I felt that he was very close minded to the fact the people screw up...sometimes a lot...and going back to being "new" is hard. Like I said, reading his books made me feel really bad for being "tainted' and made me feel like no Godly man would ever want to ever be with me. I'm still dealing with that reality.

Anyway, I like the fact that he says this:

"Most importantly we need to make sure that our convictions are shaped by scriptureâ€â€not culture, church culture or my books."

I think this is the way to go about it. Not only should we go by our convictions but we should be held accountable by other Christians. I can't say I believe there is a "protocol" for dating and courtship. What he says is helpful and he has nice ideas. Maybe I'm jaded. I find his books kind of cheezy. Good for teens though. Not so good for 26 year old single moms. I prefered "Life on the Edge" by Dr. Dobson when I was a teen...haha not that it worked for me either but it was a good read.

By now, all I know is that I want to date a Godly man who will respect me and my child and I would prefer to be friends until marriage.

On a side note, parents need to teach their kids about dating and not make it this taboo thing to talk about. I won't blame it all on my parents but I won't take all the blame either for messing up my life. Parents need to be open and inform their children about the appropriate way to approach relationship with the opposite sex. It's not all bad but it's not all good either. Communication is key.
 
I'm just saying don't expect teens to read the book and be all clear on what to do. Parents need to play a vital, accountable and open communication role when it comes to dating for sure.
 
I agree Raquel. One thing I remember from trying to read his second book, Boy meets Girl, is that the ideas are driven more towards teens and those still under the head of their parents and that the concepts came from ideal Christian situations.

Think about the title itself, Boy meets Girl. This is not a cheap shot at his book, because I did think it had great ideas and suggestions, but the title alone suggests two kids rather than two mature or maturing adults. I think part of the reason we see this is because Joshua Harris isn't that much older than us.

As for the Idealness of his writing, my guess is that he can only speak from his own prespective.
 
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