I told my friend something stupid.

[Rarthyr]

I didn't want to tell my best friend he was going to Hell for not believing in Jesus so I told him you have to emulate Jesus' love to reach Heaven not necessarily believe in him is this blasphemy against the Holy Spirit? I mean my words were "I don't think you're going to Hell you don't have to believe in Jesus, just emulate his love for others."

 

[Caroline H]

No, that's not blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. But you do need to go back and set that straight with your friend. Be honest, tell them that you were afraid of what they would think of you if you told the truth, and then TELL THE TRUTH. Being afraid of what people think is never an excuse to mince God's word, and it can be very damaging. If you honestly care about your friend, you will think of their eternal state and want to share the truth with them. I don't mean to sound harsh, but you really should go and tell them that what you said was wrong. Ask for courage and the Holy Spirit will help you :yes

 

[Free]

John 3:14-18, "14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 that whoever believes in him may have eternal life. 16 "For God so loved the world,that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God."

 

[(THE)]

I didn't want to tell my best friend he was going to Hell for not believing in Jesus so I told him you have to emulate Jesus' love to reach Heaven not necessarily believe in him is this blasphemy against the Holy Spirit? I mean my words were "I don't think you're going to Hell you don't have to believe in Jesus, just emulate his love for others."

NO this is not blasphemy of the Holy Spirit,,,,nor could you or anyone comit it at this time......

Your friend does need to believe to enter the kingdom,,,but note

1 Peter 4:8
And above all things have fervent charity among yourselves: for charity shall cover the multitude of sins

 

[Rarthyr]

What is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit?

 

[(THE)]

What is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit?

Many view it different,,,,,,,There is a topic on it somewhere by Whirlwind I would read it and consider whta she and veteran says......

In short,,,,,There will come a time when Gods elects stand before satan/antichrist,,,,God will allow His spirit to talk thru these elects,,,just like on pentecost day.....

If any of this elects refuse to allow the spirit to speak through them they are indeed comiting the unforgivable sin......

It can only be comited by Gods elects,,,and it can only be comited when satan is here on earth.......

But personally,,I do not think it will ever be comited.......

 

[Rarthyr]

(THE) where do you find this in the scriptures and does it hint that this is indeed the one unforgivable sin? That is, not allowing the Holy Spirit to speak through you?

 

[Cornelius]

What is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit?

Although people like to speculate about what this is, its actually very clear in the Bible. It is when somebody credits Satan with something that is actually the work of the Holy Spirit. The reason I say this, is that it happened to Jesus, that they told Him He was of the devil , and THEN He warned them against the unforgivable sin.

You have not committed it.

Look at these verses and read it for yourself. It is no mystery at all. The Bible clearly says that Jesus warned them because they said He had an evil spirit.

Mark 3: 29 but whosoever shall blaspheme against the Holy Spirit hath never forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin:

30 because they said, He hath an unclean spirit.

Mystery solved

 

[Free]

Cornelius has given the most probable answer as to what blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is. Context is everything in understanding Scripture:

Matt 12:22-32, 22 Then a demon-oppressed man who was blind and mute was brought to him, and he healed him, so that the man spoke and saw. 23 And all the people were amazed, and said, "Can this be the Son of David?" 24 But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, "It is only by Beelzebul, the prince of demons, that this man casts out demons." 25 Knowing their thoughts, he said to them, "Every kingdom divided against itself is laid waste, and no city or house divided against itself will stand. 26 And if Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then will his kingdom stand? 27 And if I cast out demons by Beelzebul, by whom do your sons cast them out? Therefore they will be your judges. 28 But if it is by the Spirit of God that I cast out demons, then the kingdom of God has come upon you. 29 Or how can someone enter a strong man's house and plunder his goods, unless he first binds the strong man? Then indeed he may plunder his house. 30 Whoever is not with me is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters. 31 Therefore I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven people, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. 32 And whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.

 

[Vic C.]

(THE) where do you find this in the scriptures and does it hint that this is indeed the one unforgivable sin? That is, not allowing the Holy Spirit to speak through you?

Yes, I agree. Cornelius is correct. Once he passage is examined for what it is and who it was for, it is quite clear.

I tend to narrow down it's definition a bit more than most here. I truly believe it was when the works of Jesus Himself, in the first century, were said to be of the devil and not of the HS. I believe it was meant for this specific group of nonbelievers. So, if Jesus was to come back right now and begin performing the same good works of the HS and if people again began attributing it to the devil, this particular sin (notice sin, singular) would be in effect once again.

 

[(THE)]

(THE) where do you find this in the scriptures and does it hint that this is indeed the one unforgivable sin? That is, not allowing the Holy Spirit to speak through you?

I will show you why I believe this,,,,,,right after lunch,,,sound like theres a war in my stomach... :D

 

[Cornelius]

(THE) where do you find this in the scriptures and does it hint that this is indeed the one unforgivable sin? That is, not allowing the Holy Spirit to speak through you?

Yes, I agree. Cornelius is correct. Once he passage is examined for what it is and who it was for, it is quite clear.

I tend to narrow down it's definition a bit more than most here. I truly believe it was when the works of Jesus Himself, in the first century, were said to be of the devil and not of the HS. I believe it was meant for this specific group of nonbelievers. So, if Jesus was to come back right now and begin performing the same good works of the HS and if people again began attributing it to the devil, this particular sin (notice sin, singular) would be in effect once again.

The same would be true if Jesus (Who now lives IN Us through the Holy Spirit) performs the same works and greater works through a believer. If those works are then accredited to the devil, this sin is committed.

So we still have to be very careful when we are dealing with the works and gifts of the Holy Spirit through people, that we do not judge and attribute the work of the Holy Spirit to the enemy.

I have had good advice given to me by a man of God : If unsure, rather err on the side of righteousness. Meaning, that if we are not 100% sure, rather keep quiet and be guilty of silence, than open our mouths and sin against God.

 

[Vic C.]

Does that mean I should now attribute the works of Benny Hinn to the HS? :gah ;)

No, I'm being cautious but from a different vantage point. I'm careful not to make that specific passage more than it's meant to mean. We have varying beliefs on the validity of certain spiritual gifts and I have come to terms with our differences. I don't care to dredge that up again.

Peace C,
Vic

 

[Cornelius]

Does that mean I should now attribute the works of Benny Hinn to the HS? :gah ;)

No, I'm being cautious but from a different vantage point. I'm careful not to make that specific passage more than it's meant to mean. We have varying beliefs on the validity of certain spiritual gifts and I have come to terms with our differences. I don't care to dredge that up again.

Peace C,
Vic

I am also not going to dredge it up that is why I said its safer to err on the side of righteousness. Seeing that only one view would be 100% Biblical, we have to (for the sake of our eternal lives) be careful.

blessings and peace to you too brother
C

 

[(THE)]

(THE) where do you find this in the scriptures and does it hint that this is indeed the one unforgivable sin? That is, not allowing the Holy Spirit to speak through you?

I started to post,,and then thought I would find that thread I spoke of earlyer,,,here it is ...This pretty much explains what I believe if you want to go into more detail then of course.....


Whirlwind......


There is an unforgiveable sin! As there is an unforgiveable sin we must know exactly what that sin is.


1 John 5:16-17 If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and He shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it. All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.


1 John 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as He is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanseth us from all sin.

Understand what is being said there. John, I believe, is addressing the elect. We are told that if we are of the elect, we may ask for a brother to be given life and....He shall give him life! As long as the brother has not committed the unforgiveable sin, the "sin unto death," as we cannot even pray for a brother that commits that sin.

"All unrighteousness is sin" but that is not the "unforgiveable sin," for He will not cleanse us of that sin.....


Luke 12:8-10 Also I say unto you, Whosoever shall confess Me before men, him shall the Son of man also confess before the angels of God: But he that denieth Me before men shall be denied before the angels of God. And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven.

That is very interesting to me. Not to get into the Trinity debate but...Father, Son and Holy Spirit are One. So, what does it mean that a word can be spoken against the Son of man and be forgiven but not against the Holy Spirit? I believe that is showing us that the "Son of man" there means Christ in us, in His elect, in His body. That body can be spoken against and it shall be forgiven. Why would anyone, or how could anyone...blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost?


12:11-12 And when they bring you unto the synagogues, and unto magistrates, and powers, take ye no thought how or what thing ye shall answer, or what ye shall say: For the Holy Ghost shall teach you in the same hour what ye ought to say."

Now, this could be at any time we, as children of God, are confronted with questions or opportunities to share knowledge of Christ with others. We are, or can be, taken before religious leaders, rulers and powers today, even on forums such as this but this event appears to be a very specific time. Going before rulers reminds me of....


Ephesians 6:12 (666) For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

6:13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.


When is "the hour," or the "evil day," when some will be delivered for a testimony? I'm not sure any more. I used to believe it was only during Satan's tribulation, during his "hour of temptation." [Revelation 3:10] But, perhaps that hour is different for us all and our hour is whenever we are tested. However, it is written....


Mark 13:9-11 But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for My sake, for a testimony against them. And the gospel must first be published among all nations. But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.

Perhaps we can commit that one sin, at any time when we are led by the Holy Spirit and refuse Him. But, I believe a specific time is being taught when this one sin can be committed, and it is at the end of days.

As written, some of us will be delivered for a testimony. We are not to premeditate what we will say for the Holy Spirit will speak through us. To premeditate or not allow the Spirit would be to committ the unpardonable sin! Is this the event we were given an example of in Acts....


Acts 2:1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

2:6 Now when this was noised aboad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.

We must be ready and watch!

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Veteran

likewise believe it's a specific sin that only the elect can commit. I also believe that those who are to be delivered up for a Testimony by The Holy Spirit in the last days will be given to know for sure about it.

Heb 6:4-8
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put Him to an open shame.
7 For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God:
8 But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.
(KJV)

I know that Hebrew 6 Scripture has been misused to apply to us when we have slip ups, but that's really talking about a believer given various gifts of The Holy Spirit to 'know' the difference, but then turns away from God. It's not just talking about belief, it's talking about having proof of God by The Holy Spirit through spiritual gifts. Falling away from God in that state would be denial of His Gifts. Paul also shows that difference with the idea of bearing fruit vs. thorns.veteran

 

[Vic C.]

What is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit?

Hi Rarthyr,

To give you a more broader idea of how varied the beliefs are, here is the whole link:

viewtopic.php?f=17&t=41225&p=514456#p514456

You deserve to read it all, not just one perspective.

This was another good discussion:

viewtopic.php?f=14&t=33198&start=0&st=0&sk=t&sd=

I found some good sources here:

viewtopic.php?f=17&t=33424&p=397369&hilit=

You see, it's important to get as much information as you can. It would benefit you and your studies to ask if there is anything in the OT that gives you insight on the subjects of "Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit" and "A sin unto death" especially the latter. (people have a tendency to lump the two as though they were one) To understand it, try reading Num 15:25-35. This should indicate to you that John was dealing with a specific Laws and specific types of sin. With a sound understanding of the Law, the Cross and the Gospel, what John says about sins and death will become clearer.

 

[toddm]

Your friend does need to believe to enter the kingdom,,,but note

1 Peter 4:8
And above all things have fervent charity among yourselves: for charity shall cover the multitude of sins

I'm surprised no one caught this (or maybe just forgot about it), but that is completely untrue and that verse is not within it's context. To say "all you need is love" to enter the kingdom is heresy and that's NOT the Gospel.

Rathyr, bottom line is that your friend needs to hear the FULL GOSPEL. He needs to understand that he is a sinner and as such has offended a holy, righteous, and just God. His sentence for his crime against God is eternity in hell. But Jesus (who was fully God and fully man) came to live in perfect obedience and offer himself up as a perfect sacrifice to atone for all sins of those who put their faith in his person and work. Jesus has satisfied God's wrath and he's the only that can do so. Without faith and putting complete trust in Jesus, your friend is destined for eternal punishment.

 

[GrayJedi_Lightshade]

dude, I kind of made a similar mistake. I sold my ex-girlfriend the fire insurance policy. "Better do it now before it's too late. You don't know what's gonna happen in the next few days, months, or years." And shortly after we broke up (bcz I breathed down her neck so much, trying to get her to stop doing not very Christ-like things, and not letting Him take control), she fell right back into her terrible group of friends. (God, I hate New Jersey teenagers. lol)

But let your friend know, if you haven't talked to him yet, that God wants him just the way he is. He doesn't have to change a single thing before he goes before God. Just try and tell him that there really is something to this "faith in God" thing if we're willing to admit complete surrender to him. Things get harder, but if we let God guide our hearts and minds, then in turn, it actually gets easier.

"Take Me As I Am" by Thousand Foot Krutch is a song I used to help myself lead my best friend to Christ. Lyrics are right on the money.

Go with God, brotha.

Jerry