Icon Removal

[bibleberean]

We preach Christ crucified. A past event. We don't preach Him perpetually crucified... :roll:

1 Corinthians 15:12 Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?

Catholic Icons are an abomination...

Queen adult Mary with wittle baby in her arms... :smt078

 

[Tobael]

RV 12:1 Now a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman, adorned with the sun, standing on the moon, and with the twelve stars on her head for a crown.

12:5 The woman brought a male child into the world, the son who was to rule all the nations with an iron sceptre, and the child was taken straight up to God and to his throne,


Get it??

 

[Tobael]

We preach Christ crucified. A past event. We don't preach Him perpetually crucified... :roll:

1COR 2:2 During my stay with you, the only knowledge I claimed to have was about Jesus, and only about him as the crucified Christ.

It is Christ crucified Who redeems us, so it is only right that we keep reminding ourselves of the crucifixion.

 

[Orthodox Christian]

I suppose it hasn't entered the minds fevered with Catholic hatred that it is indeed not the cross that is empty, but the Tomb. See that guy on the Cross? He is your Savior, not just your Lamb. Take up your cross and follow Him.

 

[bibleberean]

We preach Christ crucified. A past event. We don't preach Him perpetually crucified... :roll:

1COR 2:2 During my stay with you, the only knowledge I claimed to have was about Jesus, and only about him as the crucified Christ.

It is Christ crucified Who redeems us, so it is only right that we keep reminding ourselves of the crucifixion.

I never said we shouldn't. The crucifixion is preached.

1 Corinthians 1:21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

It is a passed event that is the point...
A morbid crucifix are not to be used to pray to or through.

The way we remember Christ's death is the way Christ wants it done.

1 Corinthians 11:23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:

1 Corinthians 11:24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.

1 Corinthians 11:25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.

1 Corinthians 11:26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.

The Lord gave no command to make an image of a man on a cross to bow down and pray to it or commemorate his death in this manner.

 

[Orthodox Christian]

The story of the Crucifixion is no less an icon than is a Crucifix.

 

[bibleberean]

The story of the Crucifixion is no less an icon than is a Crucifix.

Horse manure!

Idols of Jesus are not preaching! That is a lie from the father of lies.

 

[Orthodox Christian]

The story of the Crucifixion is no less an icon than is a Crucifix.

Horse manure!

Idols of Jesus are not preaching! That is a lie from the father of lies.

Your vulgarity is out of keeping with the decorum of a Christian forum.

Furthermore, you've done nothing more than say "no it isn't."

That's lame and intellectually soft, which goes well with crude and profane.

Now, to my point: An icon is something that is meant to symbolize or point to something else. That is the intent of letters, words, and phrases; that is the intent of pictorial representations. Little children's bibles always have contained illustrations, which go along with the flannel graphs found in your Sunday School. Each of these, both crucifix and gospel story, requires the teaching and preaching of the story.

Please refrain from scatalogical remarks and vomit when replying to me in the future, or I will be forced to submit a complaint to the forum admin.
Thanks in advance
James

 

[bibleberean]

Icons have lead so many people into idolatry...

King Hezekiah had to destroy the serpent Moses made into pieces because the children of Israel began to venerate and burn incense to it...

2 Kings 18:1 Now it came to pass in the third year of Hoshea son of Elah king of Israel, that Hezekiah the son of Ahaz king of Judah began to reign.


2 Kings 18:2 Twenty and five years old was he when he began to reign; and he reigned twenty and nine years in Jerusalem. His mother's name also was Abi, the daughter of Zachariah.

2 Kings 18:3 And he did that which was right in the sight of the LORD, according to all that David his father did.

2 Kings 18:4 He removed the high places, and brake the images, and cut down the groves, and brake in pieces the brasen serpent that Moses had made: for unto those days the children of Israel did burn incense to it: and he called it Nehushtan.

Today Catholics practice even worse sins because of their fondness for icons.

I have no picture of Jesus in my house. No one has a clue as to what He looked like.

We no longer know Jesus after the flesh.

2 Corinthians 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.

The apostle John fell as one dead when he beheld the resurrected Christ.

John was the most intimate of the apostles with Christ before His resurrection.

Revelation 1:13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.

Revelation 1:14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;

Revelation 1:15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.

Revelation 1:16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.

Revelation 1:17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:

There is a reason the bible is written and not painted or sculpted...

It leads to idolatry! Holy Cards etc...

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[Orthodox Christian]

Icons have lead so many people into idolatry...

King Hezekiah had to destroy the serpent Moses made into pieces because the children of Israel began to venerate and burn incense to it...

2 Kings 18:1 Now it came to pass in the third year of Hoshea son of Elah king of Israel, that Hezekiah the son of Ahaz king of Judah began to reign.


2 Kings 18:2 Twenty and five years old was he when he began to reign; and he reigned twenty and nine years in Jerusalem. His mother's name also was Abi, the daughter of Zachariah.

2 Kings 18:3 And he did that which was right in the sight of the LORD, according to all that David his father did.

2 Kings 18:4 He removed the high places, and brake the images, and cut down the groves, and brake in pieces the brasen serpent that Moses had made: for unto those days the children of Israel did burn incense to it: and he called it Nehushtan.

Today Catholics practice even worse sins because of their fondness for icons.

I have no picture of Jesus in my house. No one has a clue as to what He looked like.

We no longer know Jesus after the flesh.

2 Corinthians 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.

The apostle John fell as one dead when he beheld the resurrected Christ.

John was the most intimate of the apostles with Christ before His resurrection.

Revelation 1:13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.

Revelation 1:14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;

Revelation 1:15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.

Revelation 1:16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.

Revelation 1:17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:

There is a reason the bible is written and not painted or sculpted...

It leads to idolatry! Holy Cards etc...

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Oh look, now there's 3 vomits. How incredibly immature.
Join the ignore list.

You CANNOT add Administrators or Moderators to your ignore list!

How 'bout that. I guess I'll have to do it manually.

 

[fiat]

Scripture says two things about images. God forbids the worship of them (idolatry) "You shall not make for yourself a graven image or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: you shall not bow down to them or serve them" (Ex. 20:4–5); but God also commands the use of them for religious purposes;
-"And you shall make two cherubim of gold [i.e., two gold statues of angels]; of hammered work shall you make them, on the two ends of the mercy seat. Make one cherub on the one end, and one cherub on the other end; of one piece of the mercy seat shall you make the cherubim on its two ends. The cherubim shall spread out their wings above, overshadowing the mercy seat with their wings, their faces one to another; toward the mercy seat shall the faces of the cherubim be" (Ex. 25:18–20).
-"for the altar of incense made of refined gold, and its weight; also his plan for the golden chariot of the cherubim that spread their wings and covered the ark of the covenant of the Lord. All this he made clear by the writing of the hand of the Lord concerning it all, all the work to be done according to the plan" (1 Chr. 28:18–19).
-"On the walls round about in the inner room and [on] the nave were carved likenesses of cherubim." Ezekiel 41:17–18

The Israelites were forbidded from making images of God because He had not yet revealed himself in visible form. But later, He did! "As I looked, thrones were placed and one that was Ancient of Days took his seat; his raiment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like pure wool; his throne was fiery flames, its wheels were burning fire." Daniel 7:9
Then we have the Holy Spirit revealed under two visible forms in the NT...tongues of fire and a dove descending on the Son. I've seen protestants using the symbol of the dove countless times.
And finally, the Incarnation! Mysterium fidei!!! :D St. Paul says of Christ, "He is the image (Greek: ikon) of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation."

Our souls and bodies are intimately united. In the NT we see people kissing the hem of Jesus' robe, or pouring precious oil on his feet, or reverencing his body after his crucifixion and death. God became man and dwelt among us! For this reason, we can make representations of God in Christ. I keep a crucifix in every room in my house, not to worship the image itself, but to worship the One crucified for my sake and to proclaim his death until He comes in glory.

A side note, I strongly suggest everyone take time to study the theology behind iconography! :wink: