If Christ were here

[Dorothy Mae]

We have evidence for and can clearly see and condemn the evil actions of wicked people, yet not so for a spiritual realm.

You are probably unaware of the spiritual realm and our authority. We can condemn the actions of wicked spirits but it is not commonly done.

Interesting how the original passage Jesus quoted puts it:

The fear of God of these people is not genuine, but is only done because people command them to.

These people honor me with their mouths but their hearts are far from me. Sounds like some church services I have been in.

 

[T. E. Smith]

You know T. E., you are fond of reading. I suggest you read;

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The Bible and Christianity has changed the world. You are probably unaware of how. This book will help you in that regard.

I will give it a read but say now that Christianity did not make America. Ten commandments principles like lying, murder and stealing have been traced to, for example, pre-Christian Germanic tribes and English common law. Other commandments like the first and second are antithetical to American religious liberty, and the third to free speech.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

I will give it a read but say now that Christianity did not make America. Ten commandments principles like lying, murder and stealing have been traced to, for example, pre-Christian Germanic tribes and English common law. Other commandments like the first and second are antithetical to American religious liberty, and the third to free speech.

Christianity is the seed of freedom in the world. It gave men the concept of the value of the individual, rights and freedoms. Do not steal and so on are, of course, in varying cultures although many allowed for the powerful to do just that but by in large, everyone knows that being stolen from, having loved ones murdered and so on is morally wrong. Christianity insists this applies to kings and rulers and not merely the common man.

 

[Edward]

Once, I made the choice to trust him and his word, but he never revealed himself to me. But it makes sense to me: I just chose the wrong thing to trust in, maybe.

He never did? But never is not over yet. SO how long did you give Him? I'm not sure how much God responds to time limits?

One guys testimony I heard, he said he had a spiritual dream when He was a kid and the Lord told him what He is going to do for him and in his life, and so he went on his merry way and always wondered when it would happen. So much time passed that the dream was nothing to him anymore. Just a dream he had as a kid. But then his dream came true and things began to happen for the man and it was obvious that, this was the Lord doing what He said He would do. How much time had passed? 28 years.

The Bible says seek and you will find, knock and it shall be opened to you...it doesn't say within a certain period of time. Maybe God was seeing how dedicated was your searching for Him. Just how serious are you about finding Him? Maybe He was about to do it tomorrow, but you pulled the plug on Him last night?

 

[Edward]

Sin is not all the same to God. The books are opened and we are judged based on our deeds. That clearly signifies differences which is just.

He who is forgiven MUCH, loves MUCH.

I think sins are the same but some sins carry more consequences with them than others, that's true.

 

[T. E. Smith]

I think sins are the same but some sins carry more consequences with them than others, that's true.

if they are all the same, how is it just to have different consequences? Does God view a serial killer the same way he views a petty shoplifter?

 

[jasonc]

if they are all the same, how is it just to have different consequences? Does God view a serial killer the same way he views a petty shoplifter?

Yes,he died for both and will judge both of they aren't forgiving .

Per California law ,petty theft Is the job I did today ,imagine putting on a starter where you lowered the engine down and then get it taken by force and you work like that to pay rent etc
My friend who helped me does that .we charged the car owner three fifty .

 

[T. E. Smith]

Yes,he died for both and will judge both of they aren't forgiving .

Per California law ,petty theft Is the job I did today ,imagine putting on a starter where you lowered the engine down and then get it taken by force and you work like that to pay rent etc
My friend who helped me does that .we charged the car owner three fifty .

Will he judge them equally? Will the serial killer receive a more severe punishment?

 

[jasonc]

Will he judge them equally? Will the serial killer receive a more severe punishment?

Punishment is eternal damnation .

No different .

Are you serious .a guy who points a gun and intends to kill me for money versus one who does .?

Minor difference.
If you hate and ponder murder in your mind you are as guilty .

You decry that verse on marrying your rapist and expect us to simply allow it?

A person who robs will continue until caught

 

[jasonc]

No one commits just one sin

 

[Edward]

if they are all the same, how is it just to have different consequences? Does God view a serial killer the same way he views a petty shoplifter?

The wages of sin is death in the end. All sin. But will a petty shoplifter be punished as harshly as a serial killer? No of course not. But scripture talks about like different levels of hell almost. Outer Darkness, lake of Fire and all like that and they have to be differing levels of punishment. That makes sense.

 

[Edward]

Will he judge them equally? Will the serial killer receive a more severe punishment?

Yes he will. Different actions create different consequences which is rightly so.

And if you went and robbed a bank and killed two people while you did it, you could ask God for forgiveness and be forgiven. But you would also have to face the consequences here on earth. Sounds like death row to me.

 

[Edward]

Well I can understand his position. The last time I attended “church” in the US it was more like a show. Spotlights on the golden throated singers whose shut eyes and lifted hands displayed a spiritual devotion to be envied. Of course the eyes were open enough to ensure they stood exactly where the light was directly on their upturned faces. It was a hollywood show.

I think it must've started with a "program" and developed into a show. They don't know how to conduct a service but they do know how to put on a show. So let's schedule the show, and hope God shows up!.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Will he judge them equally? Will the serial killer receive a more severe punishment?

No, they are not judged equally. That would be unjust. But there is more to this than what one did.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

I think it must've started with a "program" and developed into a show. They don't know how to conduct a service but they do know how to put on a show. So let's schedule the show, and hope God shows up!.

I actually think they don't need God to show up. They play excellent music and get only the best voices and since the human brain is wired to be moved deeply by music, they think God is there. See how it works? God does not need to show up and they don't know the difference anything thinking that the peace they feel after singing a few songs IS God showing up. "God showing up" is totally under their control.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

I think sins are the same but some sins carry more consequences with them than others, that's true.

If they carry more consequences, they are not the same.

 

[Edward]

I actually think they don't need God to show up. They play excellent music and get only the best voices and since the human brain is wired to be moved deeply by music, they think God is there. See how it works? God does not need to show up and they don't know the difference anything thinking that the peace they feel after singing a few songs IS God showing up. "God showing up" is totally under their control.

Not all of the time they are in control! I've heard some pretty wild testimonies about God just showing up in unexpected places. Well not unexpected places but with unexpected power and falls on the crowd and no one can move and stuff. A little bit beyond a Benny Hinn show, lol.

Do a search for 'God Stories' on Youtube, by Brad McClendon. He has a lot of stories about God showing up in church and other places. Sometimes God comes in disguise! One time God was disguised as a big tall black man with a loud intimidating voice and walked up to him at a car dealership. Another time He was disguised as a homeless man and walked into church and sat in the back row and....ok no spoilers, lol.

 

[Edward]

If they carry more consequences, they are not the same.

Different consequences? Who gets sent into outer darkness if they have a perfectly functional lake of Fire right over there? And why?

 

[Edward]

As stated, the fact that not all sins are equal is why you are not in prison and why that pastor I mentioned is in prison. It is the foundation of law.

The poor are not helped by God's forgiveness of Christians, but by actions, "imperfect" though they may be, conducted by anyone of any or no religion.

Well I've never did anything worthy of prison. I am the youngest kid so I got to see how Karma works real good before I got old enough to do much evil. That's scripture too. It says what we sow, we will reap.

What's that Pastors name that you're talking about?

When I was young or down and out, people helped me and I noticed this so I thought it was a good thing to help others also. Sorta pay it forward so to speak. Many times I just give tithe money directly to people on the street. This bypasses all the red tape they have to go through to get some help and assures me that I'm not making payments on the Pastors new Cadillac.

 

[Edward]

The Bible and Christianity has changed the world. You are probably unaware of how.

You sure do know is how it sounds. Wouldn't it be cool if when you spoke words, they were effective and kept going and kept on being effective even after that and for thousands of years?!

That'd almost be like...wow, my kids listened to me and did what I asked! Lol.

But Jesus did it. He said we'd do all that and more also. I think most people even Christians, don't really realize that that book is supernatural in it's essence.