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[_ Old Earth _] If humans are apes, why aren't we in the zoo?

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Dave Slayer

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If humans are apes, why aren't we in the zoo? I mean, we are both animals, right?
 
Who is going to put us in this zoo as we created the zoo. Welcome to the theme park Planet Earth :twocents
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That's a good question. If we humans are just advanced animals, then what refrains us from keeping each other in cages and selling each other on the meat market? Doesn't survival of the fittest apply to all flesh? According to Darwin, this violently competitive environment is what molded us into being.
 
azlan88 said:
That's a good question. If we humans are just advanced animals, then what refrains us from keeping each other in cages and selling each other on the meat market? Doesn't survival of the fittest apply to all flesh? According to Darwin, this violently competitive environment is what molded us into being.
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i think deep down that annyoning thing called a conscience says it's wrong as it was put there for a purpose. who put it there.
 
I think that the little voice that says, "don't" is the Holy Spirit, but not everybody has Him. There was this guy on a political forum who actually believed that we should clone humans and use them as cannibal meat. Obviously, he had no conscience.
 
That's a good question. If we humans are just advanced animals, then what refrains us from keeping each other in cages and selling each other on the meat market? Doesn't survival of the fittest apply to all flesh? According to Darwin, this violently competitive environment is what molded us into being.
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No. In fact, in "The Descent of Man" he wrote just the opposite.

When two tribes of primeval man, living in the same country, came into competition, if (other circumstances being equal) the one tribe included a great number of courageous, sympathetic and faithful members, who were always ready to warn each other of danger, to aid and defend each other, this tribe would succeed better and conquer the other. Let it be borne in mind how all-important in the
never-ceasing wars of savages, fidelity and courage must be. The advantage which disciplined soldiers have over undisciplined hordes follows chiefly from the confidence which each man feels in his
comrades. Obedience, as Mr. Bagehot has well shewn,* is of the highest value, for any form of government is better than none. Selfish and contentious people will not cohere, and without coherence nothing can be effected. A tribe rich in the above qualities would spread and be victorious over other tribes: but in the course of time it would, judging from all past history, be in its turn overcome by
some other tribe still more highly endowed. Thus the social and moral qualities would tend slowly to advance and be diffused throughout the world.
http://www.infidels.org/library/histori ... er_05.html

It's telling that the people who most dislike Darwin are those who don't know what he wrote.
 
Don't mistake these humane acts for love of one's neighbor, for even dogs look out for the pack, but when one of the dogs injures itself, it is not mourned over nor cared for, but left behind. Human beings also behave in like manner. However,those who did love one's neighbor by sacrificing pleasure and need, such as Jesus and the early Christians did, created a community that flourished while the Roman Empire was destroying itself, even having revived the Roman Empire from the ashes. So it was not Darwinian principles that preserve mankind, but the Law of the Spirit that came before them. Darwin cannot take credit.
 
Don't mistake these humane acts for love of one's neighbor, for even dogs look out for the pack, but when one of the dogs injures itself, it is not mourned over nor cared for, but left behind. Human beings also behave in like manner. However,those who did love one's neighbor by sacrificing pleasure and need, such as Jesus and the early Christians did, created a community that flourished while the Roman Empire was destroying itself, even having revived the Roman Empire from the ashes. So it was not Darwinian principles that preserve mankind, but the Law of the Spirit that came before them. Darwin cannot take credit.
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Why would it offend you if God chose to do it by making us care for each other naturally? The point was not that Darwin was taking credit for anything. It was that you have been very badly misled about what Darwin had to say about the issue.

BTW, if you think dogs don't mourn when one of their own is lost, you know nothing whatever of dogs.
 
Darwin offends me not necessarily because he tried to make a case against God, but because most of our elite actually take Darwin's theory as fact and teach it as fact to children. What I don't get is this: according to common belief among atheists, we come from slime, or nothing, and then when we die, we go to nothing, not to mention that the stars around us are set to explode, obliterating our planet. Yet between these events atheists celebrate over the ascent of man! Do you see why existentialists laugh at the irony of these people's optimism?
 
Darwin offends me not necessarily because he tried to make a case against God, but because most of our elite actually take Darwin's theory as fact and teach it as fact to children.
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It's directly observed. It would be dishonest not to tell them about it.

What I don't get is this: according to common belief among atheists, we come from slime, or nothing, and then when we die, we go to nothing, not to mention that the stars around us are set to explode, obliterating our planet. Yet between these events atheists celebrate over the ascent of man! Do you see why existentialists laugh at the irony of these people's optimism?
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I have no idea how you got from Darwin to your last paragraph. I'm guessing he's sort of a catchall for things that scare you. BTW, the stars around us are not big enough to explode. Betelgeuse is the closest candidate for an explosion, and it's far enough that it would be spectacular, but not dangerous.

Our own sun is too small and steady to explode. It will gradually burn out about 4.5 billion years from now.
 
The Barbarian said:
Don't mistake these humane acts for love of one's neighbor, for even dogs look out for the pack, but when one of the dogs injures itself, it is not mourned over nor cared for, but left behind. Human beings also behave in like manner. However,those who did love one's neighbor by sacrificing pleasure and need, such as Jesus and the early Christians did, created a community that flourished while the Roman Empire was destroying itself, even having revived the Roman Empire from the ashes. So it was not Darwinian principles that preserve mankind, but the Law of the Spirit that came before them. Darwin cannot take credit.
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Why would it offend you if God chose to do it by making us care for each other naturally? The point was not that Darwin was taking credit for anything. It was that you have been very badly misled about what Darwin had to say about the issue.

BTW, if you think dogs don't mourn when one of their own is lost, you know nothing whatever of dogs.
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i have seen animals mourn for their dead ones. my dog did that when i put the other down. my wife took it to the vet.
 
Because my boys live a long way away, and can't usually get home in Dec., we celebrate Christmas in January. We put up an artificial tree in Dec, go to midnight mass, and then wait for the guys to get home for the rest.

But I wish you and all participants here, a very merry and fulfilling Christmas to you and your loved ones.
 
The Barbarian said:
Because my boys live a long way away, and can't usually get home in Dec., we celebrate Christmas in January. We put up an artificial tree in Dec, go to midnight mass, and then wait for the guys to get home for the rest.

But I wish you and all participants here, a very merry and fulfilling Christmas to you and your loved ones.
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you are catholic? i have been meaning to ask what type of demonation you are.
 
Yes, I'm Roman Catholic. We are all "Catholic" in the sense of the people of God. My particular denomination is Roman Catholic.
 
The Barbarian said:
Yes, I'm Roman Catholic. We are all "Catholic" in the sense of the people of God. My particular denomination is Roman Catholic.
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i would never guessed had you not mentioned the mass you wanted to attend.
 
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