If Jesus walked this earth today

[Douglas Summers]

Immediately after hurricane Celia hit Corpus Christi, there was no electricity, water, gas etc. A guy with an ice truck came around selling 5lb blocks of ice for 20 dollars....1970......That's price gouging. The cops showed up and made him give away all the rest.

Yes, that is price gouging.

 

[Douglas Summers]

Sometimes what we see as price gouging is really a recovery of the cost of development. To develop certain medications can cost a lot of money and someone has to make the investment to get the research done. When the product hits the market, you can't charge the first buyer with the entire development cost so it is incorporated into the cost and spread out over a longer period. At some point third-parties are able to release generic versions. Why do you think these are at such a lower cost? Because they didn't have to make that initial investment to develop the final product.

I'm not saying some gouging isn't being done but it isn't as black and white as we like to make it.

Whether or not these medications are truly needed can also be debated. In our society today we expect to be able to take a pill to solve all our ills when in many cases, the problem is most likely poor living habits. We live under exercised, lazy, couch potato, lifestyles and we have horrendous eating habits.

I've proven this to myself more than once. I deal with borderline hypertension so I take a pill to control it. The truth is, if I lost weight and got more exercise I know I can rid myself of that "need." I know this because dropping some weight my blood pressure showed improvement. I was diagnosed with type II diabetes a few years ago. There were also concerns about my cholesterol. LDL was high, HDL is low, and my triglycerides were through the roof. A few months later I lost about 30 pounds. I was able to drop the diabetes meds, my LDL cut in half, and my triglycerides fell to within normal target ranges. One time I was having issues with low potassium causing fatigue. Instead of taking the
prescribed pill I decided to adjust my diet. Within two weeks my potassium returned to normal target range.

Good for you. My wife is diabetic. She knows what she has to do, she just does not do it!?

 

[Northman]

Of course in the mean time, he could have just dumped the ice on the ground and let it melt.

That is probably the most sinful scenario possible in this case.

For some reason a great many people have been successfully fooled into the idea that as soon as you engage in commerce, all the statutes of God go out the window. There is a reason Jesus said what he had to say about the wealthy, especially the bit about how hard it is for them to enter heaven.

Capitalism, communism, socialism, you name it. They all have their statutes and lengthy explanations that dont measure up with the Word at all.

 

[OzSpen]

No you're not. God gave you two legs. The automobile and even petrol has only been around for about 120 years. People managed for thousands of years before that. All of my Amish neighbors manage without using petrol.

This demonstrates your lack of knowledge. You don't have a clue what you are talking about in regard to my condition and abilities. God DID NOT give me 5 open-heart, valve replacement surgeries that cause me to not be able to walk any distance without severe breathlessness. I have epilepsy into the bargain. It's time you came up to speed with knowledge that will cause you to quit making such an ignorant comment as you have mad here.

The nearest servo is nowhere near to where I could walk with my physical disabilities.

My city does not allow for horse and buggy like the Amish. I lived in an old order Armish community (Ashland OH) for 2 years and that city is serviced to allow for Amish buggies. My city is not.

You are speaking out of ignorance.

Oz

 

[OzSpen]

We can grow our own produce. If necessary we can do it in a flower pot. So I may have to do without some things like maybe an orange because I live in a climate where oranges don't grow well. So be it.

If someone is trying to take advantage of a short supply to make extra money, then I say, let him eat his own supply and I'll find another source or go without for the time being.

I can't grow my own chickens, beef, lamb and pork on my 400 sq metre city lot.

 

[WIP]

Oz,
I wonder how people in your situation would have done it if you were living in a time before the automobile.

 

[OzSpen]

Oz,
I wonder how people in your situation would have done it if you were living in a time before the automobile.

I would not have had 5 mitral valve and aortic valve surgeries. I would have been perched in a house playing Scrabble and unable to walk any distance because of leaking heart valves (caused by 3 bouts of rheumatic fever when I was aged 6, 10 and 12). Possibly I would have been dead before the age of 40.

However, your reply is a red herring. You did not address the objections I raised to your response.

Oz

 

[WIP]

I would not have had 5 mitral valve and aortic valve surgeries. I would have been perched in a house playing Scrabble and unable to walk any distance because of leaking heart valves (caused by 3 bouts of rheumatic fever when I was aged 6, 10 and 12). Possibly I would have been dead before the age of 40.

However, your reply is a red herring. You did not address the objections I raised to your response.

Oz

I'm not going to address your physical concerns. That's too personal and you're right, I am ignorant of your situation.

 

[WIP]

I can't grow my own chickens, beef, lamb and pork on my 400 sq metre city lot.

You wouldn't have to. Dare I say vegetarian diet?

 

[Wrg1405]

This demonstrates your lack of knowledge. You don't have a clue what you are talking about in regard to my condition and abilities. God DID NOT give me 5 open-heart, valve replacement surgeries that cause me to not be able to walk any distance without severe breathlessness. I have epilepsy into the bargain. It's time you came up to speed with knowledge that will cause you to quit making such an ignorant comment as you have mad here.

The nearest servo is nowhere near to where I could walk with my physical disabilities.

My city does not allow for horse and buggy like the Amish. I lived in an old order Armish community (Ashland OH) for 2 years and that city is serviced to allow for Amish buggies. My city is not.

You are speaking out of ignorance.

Oz

To be fair Oz and if I'm reading correctly your response to WIP he/me do not know of your situation.
If he is speaking out of ignorance as you say then he is ignorant of your situation because he is not aware of it.

I require petrol to make my motor vehicle run. Service stations price gouge with petrol regularly in my region. How can I avoid supporting price gouging when I absolutely need petrol in the car?

I AM 'completely and utterly forced to make the purchase'.

Oz

You did not reveal why you are forced to make the purchase of petrol.

Sorry mate but I think you have been a bit harsh. Maybe you could have explained your situation.
That may have and I'm sure it would have evoked a different response.

 

[Wrg1405]

I would not have had 5 mitral valve and aortic valve surgeries. I would have been perched in a house playing Scrabble and unable to walk any distance because of leaking heart valves (caused by 3 bouts of rheumatic fever when I was aged 6, 10 and 12). Possibly I would have been dead before the age of 40.

However, your reply is a red herring. You did not address the objections I raised to your response.

Oz

Do you play on-line scrabble? I do, if so wanna play?

 

[OzSpen]

To be fair Oz and if I'm reading correctly your response to WIP he/me do not know of your situation.
If he is speaking out of ignorance as you say then he is ignorant of your situation because he is not aware of it.

You did not reveal why you are forced to make the purchase of petrol.

Sorry mate but I think you have been a bit harsh. Maybe you could have explained your situation.
That may have and I'm sure it would have evoked a different response.

Sorry, Wrg, but my comment gave a personal example when it applies to many people around the world. It is quite ridiculous to expect many people to walk to get petrol. If petrol is not available, then they should use some other form of transport like a buggy.

That is not a reasonable suggestion for many of us living in large cities.

I don't think I was being a 'bit harsh', but was being a 'bit realistic'.

Oz

 

[OzSpen]

Do you play on-line scrabble? I do, if so wanna play?

No, I don't.

 

[Wrg1405]

No, I don't.

Ok that's out of the equation. If you change your mind let me know

 

[Wrg1405]

Sorry, Wrg, but my comment gave a personal example when it applies to many people around the world. It is quite ridiculous to expect many people to walk to get petrol. If petrol is not available, then they should use some other form of transport like a buggy.

That is not a reasonable suggestion for many of us living in large cities.

I don't think I was being a 'bit harsh', but was being a 'bit realistic'.

Oz

Yes your comment gave a personal example and it applies to many people. But you did not explain it. You just said being forced to buy petrol, with no reason why.

You can't expect people to second guess what you are saying without giving the reason why posted your comment about being forced to buy petrol.

I have arthritic knees, our family holiday for the last 6 years has been in the same place. It's hilly and I have to hire a buggy to get around. If I can't get a buggy then I'm stuck in the caravan. And I have to pay for it. And it's expensive.

If I said when I go holiday I get a buggy without saying why you may think I'm lazy.
If I explain why then you can understand why. In fact I've had buggy races with people on the same campsite.

It's ridiculous to go at someone to have a go at someone who responds to your initial thought without explaining why you have posted what you did.

Your post was personal about you and you did not explain it concerning you or generalise it for others.

To make it realistic then you need to explain it. Sorry mate but you did not do that to start with.
We can't second guess you.

 

[Northman]

Maybe you could have explained your situation.
That may have and I'm sure it would have evoked a different response.

Are you sure about that? Are you sure that a blanket "as long as a gun isnt to you head then you arent being forced to do anything" type idea isnt what he is facing?

 

[Wrg1405]

Are you sure about that? Are you sure that a blanket "as long as a gun isnt to you head then you arent being forced to do anything" type idea isnt what he is facing?

Yes I am, not about the response of the petrol garage.

My quote was about the response WIP could have made in repsonse to Oz's quote about being forced to buy petrol and his reponse in post #24

 

[Wrg1405]

I would not have had 5 mitral valve and aortic valve surgeries. I would have been perched in a house playing Scrabble and unable to walk any distance because of leaking heart valves (caused by 3 bouts of rheumatic fever when I was aged 6, 10 and 12). Possibly I would have been dead before the age of 40.

However, your reply is a red herring. You did not address the objections I raised to your response.

Oz

So WIP was not aware of this, post #27

 

[Northman]

Yes I am, not about the response of the petrol garage.

My quote was about the response WIP could have made in repsonse to Oz's quote about being forced to buy petrol and his reponse in post #24

Understood.
The whole thing started with post 12 being a response to post 4. It was a setup. There really wasnt an honest question, just an excuse to argue a problem area.

So WIP was not aware of this, post #27

And thats what I was asking. Do you think, after everything thats been said, that the criteria of what someone thinks being "forced" is will change? Will someone adjust judgement because of circumstance? I think its been clear so far it will not.

In a setting of believers, which this is, why would the benefit of the doubt not be given to post 12 and instead have post 15 happen. Think about that without partiality and it should unfold.

 

[OzSpen]

So WIP was not aware of this, post #27

He needs to think more deeply about his general comments. The facts are that there are many older people who are not able to meet WIP's requirements. Then add the fact that I'm older and have 2 major disabilities. I provided my personal example to expose the irrational nature of WIP's response.

Oz