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If The Supreme Court Legalizes Gay Marriage In 2015, How Will Evangelicals Respond?

This, of course, not the issue. With better than 89% of the Church of the Christ, not living by faith (Barna Group, Nation Wide Survey of the Christian Church, in the mid-eighties) the question is never changing, no matter the issue. The question has been, since before our Christ hung on that filthy cross, will we obey God?

As for me and my house, we choose God, knowing full well, it can and, eventually will, once more mean death.
 
why be pessismistic? this is the chance in our lives to win souls that we wouldn't normally have known to be that way. im not saying this is good but America back im 1994 when no state allowed it was hardly sexually pure. we just had live in gay partners, and just overlooked them.
 
Marriage is a contract, in the secular sense. I don't see a problem with gay marriage, especially since we already have easy divorce and what not. I mean...what damage can gay marriage possibly do? That said...

...I read this radical sociologist saying that she loves gay marriage, because it signals the demise of marriage as an institution. I don't know if thats wishful thinking on her part, or if its backed by data or what, but...more people live together, get divorced, etc. than in generations past. Family disintegration is increasingly common, and not just because of divorce, but also...I dunno...people work a lot, jobs are unstable, people move, community bonds have disintegrated, etc. Anyway, I'm hoping that gay marriage will maybe help at least some gay+lesbian people lead a more stable life, if they can't/won't/don't come to Christ. From what I read, stable gay (male) unions have fewer sexual partners per year than uncoupled gay men. That's a step towards a more stable life. I see it has harm reduction, lol.

Gays usually have more money than straight people, so the issue has been shoved down our throats. He who pays the piper calls the tune...
...so we Christians just have to roll with it. I think a good first step would be strengthening the marriages inside the church and paying attention to what contributes to divorce in the first place, and helping people heal and move on after a split (without affirming divorce as a viable option for most people).

Speaking as a former sodomite, its hard to get a lot of gays to Jesus. I mean, maybe the liberal Presbyterian Jesus, but traditional Jesus? good luck. With society going the way it is, people don't go to church as much, anyway, and when they do, they want Christ on their terms or not at all. There's a lot of competition in the "religious market place."

So, pray. For the intellectually inclined, maybe having the courage to write books about the virtues of Christian sexual morality, without being too preachy or singling homosexuals out (there's plenty of adulterers and fornicators in every church in America, right?) would be a good step in the right direction.

Honestly, the way American culture is changing, the economy is going, etc...I think its "The End of Empire," you know?
 
Christ_empowered said:
I don't see a problem with gay marriage,
...so we Christians just have to roll with it.
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Is it possible that as you are a former "sodomite", according to your bio,.... is it possible that you might have some residual carnal mental bias in the area of gay lifestyle acceptance that still programs you to think that homosexual sex should be tolerated under the guise of "gay marriage"?
After all, this is the reality check, as you cant on one hand approve of "gay marriage" without also approving of "gay sex acts", as they do unfortunately go hand in hand.
 
marriage is a secular contract. Its regulated by the state. We've had no fault divorce here in the US for I think over 40 years in some states. I don't think the issue is gay marriage, gay sex...I think the issue is a culture in which marriage is based on feelings, not commitment; attraction, not stability; personal wants and needs, not the production and socialization of children. What you're looking at is the death of marriage, and there's not a whole lot Christians can do about it at the legal level.
 
So, in your opinion the "death of marriage" in general has arrived, yet you state you, "Dont see a problem with Gay marriage".
hummm.
I think what has arrived is the idea that marriage as a God Instituted holy union between a man and a woman has been decimated by the compulsive need in our secularized society to constantly be looking for a way to tolerate what God does not tolerate.
God does not condone or accept, same gender sex.
So as God does not change, then his oppositional position regarding same gender sex acts , is going to show you his final decision related to "Gay Marriage".
Now this does not agree with your position, but, that is what free will is all about.
You get to have your opinion and God gets to have the final say.
 
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The church can still define marriage as we see fit, hopefully in line w/ The Bible. The secular authorities...do whatever the courts say, apparently.
 
jasonc said:
so by stopping them from marriage legally does what?
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The same thing it has always done, slows the progress of the fall of the fellowship of the Church with God. And being pessimistic is a far cry from being realistic. i.e. When we were over run in February, 1969, I was not pessimistic when I warned my boys that if they fired before my experienced second did, they would, almost, certainly die that night. Many other units that did not hold their fire until the last second suffered horibly that night. I saw none of them for eleven days but when I finally woke up, every one of them survived and had tremendous horror stories to tell me what they were so grateful for when I had not gotten off my Chopper for eight days and then was carried, dead asleep to my cot.
 
th1b.taylor said:
The same thing it has always done, slows the progress of the fall of the fellowship of the Church with God. And being pessimistic is a far cry from being realistic. i.e. When we were over run in February, 1969, I was not pessimistic when I warned my boys that if they fired before my experienced second did, they would, almost, certainly die that night. Many other units that did not hold their fire until the last second suffered horibly that night. I saw none of them for eleven days but when I finally woke up, every one of them survived and had tremendous horror stories to tell me what they were so grateful for when I had not gotten off my Chopper for eight days and then was carried, dead asleep to my cot.
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uhm. so by making all sins illegal that would do that? uhm I don't see that at all. yup yes sire fornication is illegal in my state. lets fill our jails up with those types rather then the crimes that do occur to a person.

government to married couple to be:
are you saved?
are you a Pentecostal, Baptist et all
did you take a marriage seminar?
do both of you agree on your faith

only marriages that are Christian are really marriages. a jew marrying a jew isn't
a heathen that marries a heathen isn't one either. since it was mentioned that marriage is what god defines it.ok.so a hetero couple but uhm yes is a marriage isn't on that isn't where god is honored shouldn't be the only legal one? see my point? I prefer common law marriage. the state then couldn't force the church to marry anyone they don't want to. nor cant it be forced to try to save marriage. while one can argue about the interests of the state to preserve marriage and I understand that. but man is beyond listening. he will not listen so why not just let him fall of the cliff? its sometimes what we have to do
 
jasonc said:
uhm. so by making all sins illegal that would do that? uhm I don't see that at all. yup yes sire fornication is illegal in my state. lets fill our jails up with those types rather then the crimes that do occur to a person.

government to married couple to be:
are you saved?
are you a Pentecostal, Baptist et all
did you take a marriage seminar?
do both of you agree on your faith

only marriages that are Christian are really marriages. a jew marrying a jew isn't
a heathen that marries a heathen isn't one either. since it was mentioned that marriage is what god defines it.ok.so a hetero couple but uhm yes is a marriage isn't on that isn't where god is honored shouldn't be the only legal one? see my point? I prefer common law marriage. the state then couldn't force the church to marry anyone they don't want to. nor cant it be forced to try to save marriage. while one can argue about the interests of the state to preserve marriage and I understand that. but man is beyond listening. he will not listen so why not just let him fall of the cliff? its sometimes what we have to do
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Jason,
Your train just cleared the end of the tracks, son. You. really, need to back up, regroup, focus and loose that ugly habit of putting words into my mouth, otherwise, this discussion is invalidated.
 
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