If there was to be a major event , would God make it know?

[johnny botwright]

We see signs and messages being sent by God through out the bible of events that were to come.
Through the prophets sent to Jerusalem, also often asked to do some thing, which left the people asking what does this mean?

we see the birth of Jesus, a sign in the heavens, angels appearing, later on we see John the baptist, as the fore runner.

does God send fore runners today indicaters signs of coming events.

like ripples in a pond, that over lap, the ripples increasing in size, until the big splash, the big event.

I watched events in Hati , which appeared to come completly with out warning, with devestating consequences.

I asked the Lord why no warning, i expected some prophet in the city , anoucing the coming destruction.
then i watched a programe where experts in this field had been warning for some time about, the plates around Hati, like wise Calafornia.

We saw people predicting the economic collapse.
BP engineers voicing their concerns, stating it was a night mare well, and concerns over what and what was not being put in place.

Like wise experts warning about global warning. or with telescopes, that can now see images, on the sun, that could have consequences for us, solar events.

we see through a glass as such like looking through a lence that is not focused, but as we alter the lense, the image begins to come clear, greater detail.

we see Noah imploring the people, who ignored his warnings, is God sending warnings,through events on the earth.? prophecys, dreams, experts and data,ect that are for the best part being ignored, that those watching, should be aware of and paying attension to.
my mother lived in Kisumu Kenya, often was the case, when your phone line went dead, then the electric went down, it was a sign of trouble coming.


I remember a story of a girl on the beach, december 26th tsunarmi.

she had just been studying the subject, so when she saw the sea being drawn out, as every one eles stood around bemused,
she woke up to what was really happening, and warned people to run.
many took her advise and were saved,
are there those who can see the signs and are saying to every one, wake up! time to act!
I know the twin towers to came completly out of the blue, but people could have been on a lot higher alert,
had the intellegence agencys, got their acts together.

As ive shared before the Lord took myself to see genocide and tolled me the storm is coming the sword is out.
there are further predictions concerning economys.

even experts taking every thing into consideration, say that we are heading into the perfect storm.
and they are not even talking from a christian view point, so alarm bells have started to ring. warnings, the writing on the wall,

what does it take for people to wake up from their slumber sleep.

its like the titanic, the unsinkable sinking, to begin with only a few knew the true predicement.
for every one eles, every thing appeared fine, the band played on.
The world is sinking,


the good news is Jesus is the Ark of the new covenant,

For God so loved the world, he gave his only begotten son, Jesus.
that who so ever believes on him, shall not perish but have eternal life.

johnny

 

[johnny botwright]

We are certainly living in an intresting time, a lot of things going on, already a very challenging time for many, things do appear to be picking up pace,
after reading and listening to the post, blood red moons, that puts 2014/15 a time were there is a high probability some thing could take place.
some thing major. http://www.prophecytalk.com end times discussion
then there are all the different predictions, forecasts,data. from various sources , from november this year onwards, i think to we would be a bit foolhearty to just ignore and dismiss all this information.
so we could certainly be in for abit of a roller coaster ride. between now and 2015.

johnny

 

[Theofilus]

We are certainly living in an intresting time, a lot of things going on, already a very challenging time for many, things do appear to be picking up pace,
after reading and listening to the post, blood red moons, that puts 2014/15 a time were there is a high probability some thing could take place.
some thing major. http://www.prophecytalk.com end times discussion
then there are all the different predictions, forecasts,data. from various sources , from november this year onwards, i think to we would be a bit foolhearty to just ignore and dismiss all this information.
so we could certainly be in for abit of a roller coaster ride. between now and 2015.

johnny

I went to that site and did a search for "2015". I didn't read all the posts, but the ones I did read were all based on astrology, ancient Mayan predictions (made up predictions, btw) and "super intelligent beings" having foretold the future thousands of years ago. Sounds a bit dubious to me. Can you support the idea that 2015 will somehow be a special year without having to resort to New Age, astrology or pagan religions?

 

[XTruth]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baBRvkCARkY

It's true... and it is astronomy, not astrology that foretells.
I believe this is a great post about waking up those who are asleep. Our God is coming back for those who are awake... He has been warning us. Here is my research: www.conditionalsalvation.com/rapture_2010 Again, it is only my research based on the warnings I see. This research's conclusions may not come true. I'm not a prophet, only a student of prophecy.

Hope that first site helps... watch all 6

 

[Mike]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baBRvkCARkY

It's true... and it is astronomy, not astrology that foretells.
I believe this is a great post about waking up those who are asleep. Our God is coming back for those who are awake... He has been warning us. Here is my research: http://www.conditionalsalvation.com/rapture_2010 Again, it is only my research based on the warnings I see. This research's conclusions may not come true. I'm not a prophet, only a student of prophecy.

Hope that first site helps... watch all 6

I'm not one to get wrapped up in end-times discussions or think much about it, other than to stay my course, knowing His time will be His time. So, it was a stretch for me, but I watched the first 3 in this series. It seemed to end there. Since I'm not really into it, that seemed like a good place to stop.

It seems to me that, since Jesus said that no one knows when it will happen and He will come like a thief in the night, the fact that there are (supposedly) this many clear signs of His return makes it seem all that much more unlikely. As always, I will stay focused on He that sustains me and not try to determine that which He only knows. :nod

 

[Theofilus]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baBRvkCARkY

It's true... and it is astronomy, not astrology that foretells.

Using the sun, moon, stars and planets to tell the future is astrology, not astronomy.

I believe this is a great post about waking up those who are asleep. Our God is coming back for those who are awake... He has been warning us. Here is my research: http://www.conditionalsalvation.com/rapture_2010 Again, it is only my research based on the warnings I see. This research's conclusions may not come true. I'm not a prophet, only a student of prophecy.

Hope that first site helps... watch all 6

I didn't watch all 6. There were enough errors and inaccuracies in the first one to convince me that it wasn't worth spending an hour watching the rest. Here is a partial list of the things I found wrong with it:

1. They used the man-made rabbinical calendar to find the dates of the feasts. This calendar was first introduced in the middle of the 4th century and can be off from the true biblical calendar by as much as a whole month. It would take too long to explain all the details of the biblical calendar here. I'm working on a sudy of the calendar and the feasts that I will post in a separate thread later.

2. They claimed that the sabatal year starts in the "with the new moon in September" of 2014. First of all, the biblical year starts in the spring, not the fall. The idea that it starts in the fall is part of the made-up rabbinical calendar system. Secondly, since the sabbatical year has not been held for thousands of years, nobody knows when it is. There is no biblical evidence that 2014 or 2015 are sabatical years.

3. They claim that "the government's web site" (NASA) defines a tetrad as "four total blood red moons back to back". Actually, the definition is:"When four consecutive lunar eclipses are all total eclipses..." Sometimes total lunar eclipses appear red (what they call "blood moons" in the video) but sometimes they look black or dark grey (what some call "sackcloth moons"). There are so many variables that there's no way we can know in advance how a lunar eclipse will appear. Calling all these eclipses "blood moons" is sloppy science at best and out and out deception at worst.

4. Although they don't specify which holiday it is (at least not in the first video), they claim that solar eclipses occur on biblical feast days. This is impossible on the correct biblical calendar. Solar eclipses only occur at the astronomical new moon. This will always be either on the 28th or 29th day of any given biblical month and there are no biblical holidays on those dates.

5. They didn't provide any scriptural support for their theory (which, if you recall, is what I asked for). The only verse they quoted was Gen. 1:14 when they talked about the meaning of the words "signs" and "seasons" in that vers, and they even got that wrong.

There's more, but I'll let that suffice. So, let me ask you again: Can you support the theory that lunar or solar eclipses are prophetically significant or that the years 2014-2015 will somehow be special from the Bible. I don't care how many eclipses occur on feast days or how many Mayans or "super intelligent beings" make doomsday predictions. If you cannot use scripture to show that these events are significant, then you have nothing to base your theories on.

 

[Andrew]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baBRvkCARkY

It's true... and it is astronomy, not astrology that foretells.
I believe this is a great post about waking up those who are asleep. Our God is coming back for those who are awake... He has been warning us. Here is my research: http://www.conditionalsalvation.com/rapture_2010 Again, it is only my research based on the warnings I see. This research's conclusions may not come true. I'm not a prophet, only a student of prophecy.

Hope that first site helps... watch all 6

I'm not one to get wrapped up in end-times discussions or think much about it, other than to stay my course, knowing His time will be His time. So, it was a stretch for me, but I watched the first 3 in this series. It seemed to end there. Since I'm not really into it, that seemed like a good place to stop.

It seems to me that, since Jesus said that no one knows when it will happen and He will come like a thief in the night, the fact that there are (supposedly) this many clear signs of His return makes it seem all that much more unlikely. As always, I will stay focused on He that sustains me and not try to determine that which He only knows. :nod

Amen Mike. The Lord made it perfectly clear He has two witnesses lined up to proclaim the warning johnny expresses in OP.

 

[Oats]

I agree...we are called to watch and discern the times...because our redemption is at hand.

Johnny...what have you discovered

 

[johnny botwright]

Well Oats, watching a massive electrical storm over lake victoria, Kenya
on the other side of the lake , Rwanda, genocide.
The Lord tolled me, johnny the storm is coming, the sword is out in Africa, the sword is out in the middle East, the Sword is out in the far East, the sword is out in Europe.
this much i do know, as the Lord spoke it into my spirit. its the eleventh hour.

what i have read and found intresting, and is open to interpretation is, soft ware that collects data, and trends from the internet, shows some thing happening in november this year,
9/11 i think only shew a three day, glitch, but a three month glitch is being picked up, from november to january, some believe the begining of a global conflict, ww3?
the euro or dollor collapsing, donimo effect? major earth quake, america, west coast?

then there is the talk around the brown dwarf, planet x, worm wood,
a binnary star to the sun, that enters our solar system, every 3,600 years with devestating consequences for the earth, gravitational zone rings,
some liken it to the destroyer, the spolier mentioned in Jeremaih,
a bit like having one magnet spinning in the centre, then eight spinning around the large one in the centre, then you roll another magnet through.?


Nasa,s prediction that by 2012, solar flares will be so strong from the sun, strong enough to effect national grids for three years.
so if you woke up tomorrow and nothing electrical was working, in the home, in cars, ?
http://www2.macleans.ca/2010/07/19/seve ... r-warning/



then the 2014/15 the four blood red moons that fall on jewish feasts, the only time this century,
last times 1948/9 Israel became a nation, 1967 Jerusalem was captured

Gods appionted times, it was not by chance Jesus was crucified at passover.
we may not know the time , the day or the hour,
a bit like sat nav, you may not know the number of some ones house, but you have the street name.
like wise if this saturday ou were invited to a wedding 200 miles away.
you would plan your journey, how much time, the journeys going to take, you would not allow ten hours, like wise, 1 hour, how much fuel you are going to need, you would not set of with a quarter of a tank.

many feel there are indicaters, signs, that will give us a pretty good idea, and the day will only come as a theif in the night, for those who are dead, or luke warm, those alert watching, will see the day approaching.?

Then there is the tension and pressure in the middle East, between Iran and Israel and the U.S over Irans nuclear programme. chain reaction. like wise North Korea.

there are those saying those in the ruling elite pyramid, want to depopulate the planet, start a major conflict, light the fuse, nuclear? bio, and then go to ground, under ground bases, now in place.

Israel becoming a nation 1948, the fig tree. Experts now predicting we are heading into the perfect storm, an E.T ?

johnny

 

[Oats]

Is this proven...if so I should be on guard?

 

[Vic C.]

Thank you, Theofilus, for your well thought out post. :yes Doesn't it seem that junk science and junk theology go hand in hand? It seems that way to me.


I will keep searching, but I've yet to find a real creditable scientific source which confirms this Wormwood "discovery". I see many sites say NASA has conformed it, but I want to see this on NASA's site. So, if anyone has a real creditable source, bring it on.

Thanks.

 

[johnny botwright]

There are some good links http://www.december212012.com official website forums.

some intresting vidoes, some also from amature astrologers, who found some thing, that nasa was covering up, and goole night sky, was not showing blacked out.

again at the end of the day, make of it what you will, i notice in the film, 2012.
every thing was kept quiet, anyone who was going to make the imformation known, was assasinated.

what would be the impact if such an event was apon us, and it was made known tomorrow.
we see worm wood in revelations, a third of the trees and grass is burnt, a comet hits the sea, a third of the sea. so it is spoken about in the bible.
what to can move every island and mountain, as also mentioned in scripture. moved from their place.

i know they found 20.000 mass graves filled with over half million burnt bodies.
The Great and terible day of the Lord. ?

there is to the millennium prophecy. a lot of imformation and research on this subject.

should we listen to experts. ie global warming,famine, floods, storms, global conflict,

geologists, earth quakes,

put it like this if you lived in a valley, and there were floods like being experenced now in central China, and the engineers said the dam was going to fail, collapse.
would you ignore such valuable information, a word in season.

why did no one listen to Noah, he implored the people, but they just could not see, any credable evidence.
johnny

 

[Drew]

On the matter of the "moon turning red" and other such stuff....

I trust you are all aware that the Old Testament is chock full of the use of apocalyptic cosmic imagery used metaphorically to describe "regular events". Thus, for example, we get "stars falling to the ground" to represent the fall of Babylon.

Such language is metaphorical, and should not be taken literally.

And yet almost all Christians think that when Old Testament writers use such images, they are writing about real astronomical or cosmic events.

Not so - the Old Testament writers knew a good metaphor when they saw one. And for some mysterious reason, many evangelicals take this stuff literally.

 

[Vic C.]

Hi Drew,

Yes, I am aware of the meaning of many of the symbols used in the OT and Revelations. But it's a hard sell for those who may have to rethink what they believe.

 

[johnny botwright]

A comet hitting the sea, quiet clear,also a super earth quake mentioned in revelations,
i was watching a programme, about tsunarmis, about all the early warning devises, they said they could now give pretty good warning, apart from if a comet hit the sea.
from computer generated simulations a comet hitting the sea, could generate waves 1000 feet tall.

i remeber reading where the plates were so fragmented, it was likened to putting a cracked egg into the micro wave,
i do not know to much on the subject, if there could be a chain reaction, one big one triggering further quakes.

then there is also the questions of super volcanos, yellow stone. there was talk before iceland erupted, another one was getting active in chille?

they say the gravitational zone rings, from worm wood, planet x brown dwarf, ect
could split continents in half, raise mountains out of the sea, and force mountains into the sea, all at the same time?

johnny

 

[Theofilus]

Thank you, Theofilus, for your well thought out post. :yes Doesn't it seem that junk science and junk theology go hand in hand? It seems that way to me.

You are right. They do seem to go together. But one thing that irritates me even more than using sloppy science to support sloppy theology is using sloppy science to support correct theology. For some reason, many Christians seem to think that God needs their help, so they create and use junk science, urban legends, myths and pure fabrications to support things that the Bible clearly states. Because this is so common, many unbelievers think that these things can't be supported without making things up and it makes all of Christianity and all Christians look bad. That is why I feel that it is very important for us Christians to verify our sources and confirm our facts before we start spreading these theories. Rather than latching on to whatever fads or pop theories come along, such as Y2K, global warming or the recently popular 2012 hysteria, we need to first verify whether these theories are based on verifiable facts and, once we have done that, we need to determine whether they are biblically significant. Of all the theories that have been mentioned in this thread, I think there is only one that actually has some scientific fact behind it and there is nothing in the Bible to indicate that it is at all significant.

- - - - Repeat as often as necessary to find the truth

 

[johnny botwright]

we also have to be aware of arrogants, experts working in their fields of expertise, looking at data,
research, years of study, patterns, ect
regarding global warning, a solar event, conflict, terrorism,ect
to simply dismiss their findings, and the concerns being voiced, i think is folly,
like wise financail experts, looking and saying the numbers do not stack up,
and to label this as sloppy science.

as mentioned before Noah, could not have met your criteria. but like us he had been prewarned.

we know the storm is coming. and to be found ready prepared, and by Gods grace and spirit,
making people aware of Gods priceless gift of salvation, so as many as can be, will be saved.

johnny

intresting.

Absence of sunspots make scientists wonder if they’re seeing a calm before a storm of energy
By Stuart Clark
New Scientist Tuesday, June 22, 2010

Sunspots come and go, but recently they have mostly gone. For centuries, astronomers have recorded when these dark blemishes on the solar surface emerge, only to fade away after a few days, weeks or months. Thanks to their efforts, we know that sunspot numbers ebb and flow in cycles lasting about 11 years.
?But for the past two years, the sunspots have mostly been missing. Their absence, the most prolonged in nearly 100 years, has taken even seasoned sun watchers by surprise. “This is solar behavior we haven’t seen in living memory,†says David Hathaway, a physicist at NASA’s Marshall Space Flight Center in Huntsville, Ala.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 04114.html

Isaiah 30-25-29 talks about the moon and sun becoming 7 times more brighter.

Revelations 16-8-9 talks of the sun scorching the earth.

 

[Theofilus]

as mentioned before Noah, could not have met your criteria. but like us he had been prewarned.

I don't quite see what Noah has to do with this discussion. The flood was not something that people realized was coming because they had studied weather patterns over a long period of time, nor was it something that all of society was getting hysterical about. The flood came without any natural warning beforehand. Noah knew about it because God revealed it to him. Others knew about it because Noah warned them (although they didn't believe him). How is that related to, for example, the 2012 theories that were started by people who reject the Bible and all it's teachings and are totally based on Pagan religeous and time-keeping systems, but which some Christians have, for some reason, taken as a sign of the imminent end of the world? And how is the flood related to the theories of "planet X" or a binary star to our sun, both of which are based on junk science and can easily be disproved? And what connection do you see between the flood and things such as global warming which, although they do have much scientific research and support behind them, are not mentioned as being significant in any way in the Bible?

 

[johnny botwright]

The key is the unexpected when least expected, what ever the event.

im not to caught up in the 2012 agenda, but i also see Nasa are not rubbishing 2012/13

so another junk sloopy science statement Find any articles from NASA saying 2012 is a joke, are the appeasing statements, as they made an article at the start of solar minimum stating the opposite.
Nasa who do they think they are, what do they know.

like health experts who tell us not to eat to much of the wrong types of food, what do they know,
and why they restrict motorways in the uk to 70 mph, who came up with this, to impose such a restriction, like wise drinking and driving, must be more exciting after a few drinks, to drive at over 100 mph in fog. these people know nothing. junk ,sloopy experts who needs them. not!

i would not also be suprised if events unfolded to coinside with the signs in the heavens,
Gods appointed times, after listening to what was being said, concerning the blood red moons falling on the jewish festivals.
if you ever wittness an event, where a situation over turns, out of the blue its some thing you do not forget, just to mention a couple of examples.
it can happen on a personal level, or a national level.
I had a good friend who called in on the wednesday, a lad full of life, well liked, we talked about faith in the Lord Jesus,
he was close to making a comitment, but like many kept putting it off, on the saturday he was doing a disco, on the way home, his car over turned , and caught fire, he was trapped in his seat belt.
the Lord gave me pslam 18, tangled in the cords of death, i called upon the Lord,

i saw the storm that erupted in Rwanda, someone pulled a trigger, shooting down the plane carrying
the president of Rwanda, 100 days later over a million people had been massacred.
when you see and feel such a storm, its some thing you never forget.

a young girl visted our home with some other youths, she was very upset, the women who was like a mother to her, had just been shot dead,
she was only 15, she said this quiet profound, after this nothing will ever suprise me again.

for many their time has already come, for others they are caught up in the mist of events now,
we do not have to look to far.
Where lighting strikes next, is anyones guess.

Today is the day of the Lords salvation, and we are tolled to work while we have the light, opportunity, as darkness comes, night, when no man can work.
Jesus likened these times as the time of sorrows, and to the days of Noah.

who knows what one day can bring???

johnny

 

[XTruth]

as mentioned before Noah, could not have met your criteria. but like us he had been prewarned.

I don't quite see what Noah has to do with this discussion. The flood was not something that people realized was coming because they had studied weather patterns over a long period of time, nor was it something that all of society was getting hysterical about. The flood came without any natural warning beforehand. Noah knew about it because God revealed it to him. Others knew about it because Noah warned them (although they didn't believe him). How is that related to, for example, the 2012 theories that were started by people who reject the Bible and all it's teachings and are totally based on Pagan religeous and time-keeping systems, but which some Christians have, for some reason, taken as a sign of the imminent end of the world? And how is the flood related to the theories of "planet X" or a binary star to our sun, both of which are based on junk science and can easily be disproved? And what connection do you see between the flood and things such as global warming which, although they do have much scientific research and support behind them, are not mentioned as being significant in any way in the Bible?

I've actually heard teachings that there was a comet b4 the flood, maybe haleys, that was a sign in the sky of something to watch for.... thats what some religious rabbis teach. They also say that a major war happens in Israel w/i 4 years of a passing comet. I don't recall any sources, so I can't prove that. I do learn from the Jewish ways and teachings to an extent; they do understand our roots.

I wonder if you would take anything as a sign, or if you think the signs of the end times are made up. We are to watch for these things, even Jesus commanded it. It was not a suggestion. The "3 wisemen" understood what to watch for b/c they knew the prophecies. No angel told them. I wonder why Jesus gave so many clues as to what to watch for if we weren't suppose to watch. Should He not have rebuked the disciples?

I wonder if Jesus would say this to people today who were quickly dismissing what they see coming?
LUKE 12
54And he said also to the people, When ye see a cloud rise out of the west, straightway ye say, There cometh a shower; and so it is.

55And when ye see the south wind blow, ye say, There will be heat; and it cometh to pass.

56Ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky and of the earth; but how is it that ye do not discern this time?