I'm not sure if this has been asked, but I have a question about the rapture?

[Acebopata]

I was wondering if there was just going to be one rapture either at the beginning of the tribulation or at the end of the great tribulation, or if there are going to be two raptures, one at the beginning of the tribulation peroid and one at the end of the great tribulation.

 

[Hitch]

As the old song says;

When the trumpet of the Lord

Shall sound and time shall be no more...

Jesus Christ will bodily return and all who are in the grave will hear and respond, some raised to everlasting life ,some to everlasting judgement.

John 6;39

 

[D4Christ]

There is one rapture...gathering to meet the Lord in the clouds...at the end of the Great Tribulation, which occurs during the 2nd half of the 70th week.

In the 2nd half of the 70th week, Satan is given 42 months or 3.5 years of authority. The start of his authority is the start of the GT. The GT can be cut short at any point during Satan's authority. However, Christ promises that he will cut it short sooner rather than later or else no one will survive.

The end of the GT is signaled by the signs for the DOTL. Our rapture will occur after these signs, the 144 will be sealed and then the wrath of God aka DOTL will commence.

There is a harvest of the earth that takes place in Rev 14, which many people see also as the rapture. The problem with this is that 1) it occurs well into the wrath of God and God specifically stated that his elect are not appointed to His wrath. 2) those being harvested are being removed from the earth and being put into the "winepress of God's wrath." In other words the people removed are being punished...not raptured.

Dee

 

[for_his_glory]

Matthew 24:13 but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

There will be two great battles that will take place in the end of days as we the saints of God will still be here while they are taking place as Jesus said when you see the abomination of desolation (Papal Rome taking it’s seat in Jerusalem once again) to stand in the Holy place, which is a literal place and a Spiritual place as Gods seal is upon those who have repented and God will protect them from what is about to take place. You have to cross reference Zechariah 14; Revelation 13:11-18; and Revelation 20 to understand the prophecy given in Zechariah 14 about the second coming of Christ and what has to take place before and after his return that in a twinkling of an eye we will be with the Lord forever. Please read all these chapters as it is imperative for Spiritual understanding. (Matthew 24:15; Revelation 7:3; Revelation 20:7-10)

The first battle of the end of days starts in Revelation chapter 20 and will be that of Satan’s control of Jerusalem through Papal Rome taking captive those that are of God and forcing them to bow down to their thoughts of an imaginational worship to their pagan gods and rituals and those that are in Christ will be forced to denounce Christ and if they refuse then they will die a martyrs death. This is the mark of the beast with Papal Rome being the beast and the mark of the beast is the actions of their hands and the thoughts of their minds. God sends and angel to bind up Satan and throw him into the Abyss right after Papal Rome’s abomination of desolation in Jerusalem so he can no longer deceive the nations. Remember that 1000 years is as a day with the Lord in his timing. (Revelation 13:11-18)

The second and last battle of the end of days will be the gathering of the bride of Christ (those who have repented) as she has made herself ready as she endured until the end of days, both dead and alive and will be taken in the air to meet Jesus while the angel chains Satan and throws him into the Abyss for a time. Jesus then comes down to earth to stand on the Mt. Of Olives with his army (we the saints) to fight the final battle as he cast the beast and the false prophet into the lake of fire and makes an end to the abominations of Papal Rome. Jesus will then let Satan loose from the Abyss and with Satan’s army will rage war on all the nations but will be consumed by the fire of heaven and will be cast into the lake of fire and sulphur with his army for eternity. After this God will bring everyone into his throne of judgment and those not found in the Lambs book of Life will be cast also into the lake of fire and sulphur with the beast, false prophet, Satan and all his army thus ushering in the new heaven and the new Jerusalem that we will be with the Lord forever. (Revelation 20:5, 6, 15; Revelation 9:20, 21)

It is so imperative to understand those Spiritual words of God so we will not be taken as a thief in the night when Jesus returns. Revelation, which means veil rolled aside, starts with the seven churches that spiritually represent all Gods children as they are given the seven spirits of God to help keep them inline with the will of God. The seven spirits are wisdom, understanding, counsel, knowledge, reverence, might and the Spirit of the Lord. Revelation chapter 4 is used in the false teachings of a pretrib rapture that teaches the saints of God will be out of here before a Great Tribulation occurs. This is a monstrous deception of Satan that will cause many to fall away from God as we will go through everything of Revelations including the seven seals of judgment, seven trumpets of judgment, the harvest judgment, the seven vials of judgment right up to and including the two final battles when judgment comes on all the inhabitants on the earth dead and alive.

God does not want us to fear those things which must come, but be prepared for those things which have to come. If we are truly sealed by the Spirit of God through repentance then we need not fear what man can do to the flesh as we have the Holy Spirit dwelling in us as we have died to self and we no longer live, but Christ lives in us. We will be the witness of Christ to the world when the last of the abominations take place and our only concern needs to be of us being the witness to the nations that God has called us to be.

 

[Stormcrow]

Matthew 24:13 but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

There will be two great battles that will take place in the end of days as we the saints of God will still be here while they are taking place as Jesus said when you see the abomination of desolation (Papal Rome taking it’s seat in Jerusalem once again) to stand in the Holy place, which is a literal place and a Spiritual place as Gods seal is upon those who have repented and God will protect them from what is about to take place. You have to cross reference Zechariah 14; Revelation 13:11-18; and Revelation 20 to understand the prophecy given in Zechariah 14 about the second coming of Christ and what has to take place before and after his return that in a twinkling of an eye we will be with the Lord forever. Please read all these chapters as it is imperative for Spiritual understanding. (Matthew 24:15; Revelation 7:3; Revelation 20:7-10)

The first battle of the end of days starts in Revelation chapter 20 and will be that of Satan’s control of Jerusalem through Papal Rome taking captive those that are of God and forcing them to bow down to their thoughts of an imaginational worship to their pagan gods and rituals and those that are in Christ will be forced to denounce Christ and if they refuse then they will die a martyrs death. This is the mark of the beast with Papal Rome being the beast and the mark of the beast is the actions of their hands and the thoughts of their minds. God sends and angel to bind up Satan and throw him into the Abyss right after Papal Rome’s abomination of desolation in Jerusalem so he can no longer deceive the nations. Remember that 1000 years is as a day with the Lord in his timing. (Revelation 13:11-18)

The second and last battle of the end of days will be the gathering of the bride of Christ (those who have repented) as she has made herself ready as she endured until the end of days, both dead and alive and will be taken in the air to meet Jesus while the angel chains Satan and throws him into the Abyss for a time. Jesus then comes down to earth to stand on the Mt. Of Olives with his army (we the saints) to fight the final battle as he cast the beast and the false prophet into the lake of fire and makes an end to the abominations of Papal Rome. Jesus will then let Satan loose from the Abyss and with Satan’s army will rage war on all the nations but will be consumed by the fire of heaven and will be cast into the lake of fire and sulphur with his army for eternity. After this God will bring everyone into his throne of judgment and those not found in the Lambs book of Life will be cast also into the lake of fire and sulphur with the beast, false prophet, Satan and all his army thus ushering in the new heaven and the new Jerusalem that we will be with the Lord forever. (Revelation 20:5, 6, 15; Revelation 9:20, 21)

It is so imperative to understand those Spiritual words of God so we will not be taken as a thief in the night when Jesus returns. Revelation, which means veil rolled aside, starts with the seven churches that spiritually represent all Gods children as they are given the seven spirits of God to help keep them inline with the will of God. The seven spirits are wisdom, understanding, counsel, knowledge, reverence, might and the Spirit of the Lord. Revelation chapter 4 is used in the false teachings of a pretrib rapture that teaches the saints of God will be out of here before a Great Tribulation occurs. This is a monstrous deception of Satan that will cause many to fall away from God as we will go through everything of Revelations including the seven seals of judgment, seven trumpets of judgment, the harvest judgment, the seven vials of judgment right up to and including the two final battles when judgment comes on all the inhabitants on the earth dead and alive.

God does not want us to fear those things which must come, but be prepared for those things which have to come. If we are truly sealed by the Spirit of God through repentance then we need not fear what man can do to the flesh as we have the Holy Spirit dwelling in us as we have died to self and we no longer live, but Christ lives in us. We will be the witness of Christ to the world when the last of the abominations take place and our only concern needs to be of us being the witness to the nations that God has called us to be.

This entire post is such a monstrous misrepresentation of the apocalyptic passages quoted from both the Old and New Testaments that it leaves one speechless.

"Papal Rome" is NOT the BEAST!!!

If posts like this illustrate nothing else, they should illustrate just how deeply Satan has divided the body of Christ!

 

[Gazelle]

Hi there
I'm a pretribulationist which means I believe the rapture occurs prior to the "time of Jacob's trouble", the tribulation which is God's wrath. I believe this for many reasons and verses, but the key one says that believers will not suffer God's wrath.

So, I believe in one rapture prior to the 7 years of tribulation.

There are 2 key wars that occur, one when the surrounding countries swoop in to execute the nation of Israel, (but don't because God protects the element of them) and then another battle, the Battle of Armageddon, which is at the end of the 7 years of tribulation when Christ returns with the believers (called the Second Coming) and HE battles and wins and puts satan and his followers in their place, literally.

 

[freeway]

Hi there
I'm a pretribulationist which means I believe the rapture occurs prior to the "time of Jacob's trouble", the tribulation which is God's wrath. I believe this for many reasons and verses, but the key one says that believers will not suffer God's wrath.

So, I believe in one rapture prior to the 7 years of tribulation.

There are 2 key wars that occur, one when the surrounding countries swoop in to execute the nation of Israel, (but don't because God protects the element of them) and then another battle, the Battle of Armageddon, which is at the end of the 7 years of tribulation when Christ returns with the believers (called the Second Coming) and HE battles and wins and puts satan and his followers in their place, literally.

Agree