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I'm writing a New Bible
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Since I can not read Hebrew, Latin or Greek I have to rely on the English as I know it and allow the Holy Spirit to interpret the meaning of what I am reading in the scriptures. Between my KJV, The Jerusalem Bible, Strong's Exhaustive Concordance and Smith's Bible Dictionary and being more importantly assured by the Holy Spirit of what I learn I need nothing more. I also look up History, culture and maps of Biblical times as a tool of learning that helps me as I study.
Yes,someone needs to invent thatIf only there was a world wide web of information that someone could access anything they could put into words....
Unless one is perfect, as what you might think is right,years later is way off.
There are italics in the kjv. The great tribulation, when it's the article in the greek isn't there,it waa added to ease translation.
Dictionaries,lexicon are great but they don't give you the context ,or common use.
What is perfect other than God and His Son Christ Jesus. We can nick pick every Bible that has been written, but it is only the perfection of the indwelling Holy Spirit that reveals all truths and also errors if any. Many words are added to ease the translations, but yet those who try to interpret do miss that which is actually written.
Example: Take the great tribulation since you used that as an example I will also. Nowhere in scripture does it speak of a seven year great tribulation, but many misinterpretations made by man add to or take away from the word.
This is what is written, Matthew 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. KJV
No mention of a seven year great tribulation, but only that there will be great tribulation before Christ returns as Jesus said immediately after the tribulations of those days He will then return and send His angels out to the four corners of the earth to gather His elect, Matthew 24:29-31.
Nothing more, nothing less, pretty easy to understand.
BTW, to all who read this it is not for a debate about end times so please do not go there, thank you.
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Corn Pop
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So you are convinced Jesus said bottles and not wine skins?
The idea of seven years comes Daniel 9 ,the seventy weeks,last week interpretation.
Do you believe you will die knowing the bible perfectly, everything ,nook cranny it says?
My point is ,plenty of pastors says the Holy Ghost taught me this when it's not so.
Often based on a bad interpretation. No one will live long enough to know it all ,as we aren't able to ,we die then the resurrection. After that ,it's full revelation for us all.beyond our abilities to know.
Jesus explained both the wine bottle and the wine skin in Matthew 9:16, 17 showing how we must be Spiritually renewed.
Matthew 9:16 No man putteth a piece of new cloth unto an old garment, for that which is put in to fill it up taketh from the garment, and the rent is made worse. 17 Neither do men put new wine into old bottles: else the bottles break, and the wine runneth out, and the bottles perish: but they put new wine into new bottles, and both are preserved.
I said please do not make this about a seven year tribulation, thank you.
No one will ever exhaust all the teachings in the Bible as we are ever learning.
Yes, many claim the Holy Spirit teaches them, including myself. This is why we are told in 1 John 4:1-6 to test the spirits for truth or error.
John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
John 3:12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?
1 Corinthians 2:6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought: 7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory: 8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. 9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. 10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. 11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. 12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. 13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. 16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.
John 3:12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?
1 Corinthians 2:6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought: 7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory: 8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. 9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. 10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. 11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. 12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. 13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. 16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.
I wasn't an I'm not a pre tribber,not all are gifted,called to teach.if you can't teach it ,don't call yourself taught by the Holy Spirit alone as that's not your gift.
So you are a pastor ,a person who isn't under authority of anyone above you?
Look,I learned much by myself as I read it by myself,I have never had a problem learning aNY language .
Arabic, some of that ,pashto ,dari.these make Greek look easy. More letters,nanuances similiar to Hebrew ,I would have no problem reading right to left as I do that daily as its my jobs with dial meters. Numbers in those toungues dont change.when people say test the spirits that's not only talkimg about How you read the word .that's talking about if you hear a voice telling to do something as well.
Plenty say that ,abd have about their views,who is right when it's a ton of views on eschatology, gifts.
I learned sometime ago ,that I can be biased,easily blinded,who in person other then a voice can I trust?
God ordained offices ,men to guide,gifted,raised to teach. Exhort ,speak .not all are called to teach ,I mention teach as one has to know the subject to teach it.able to dig it.
I'm not saying one cant nor shouldn't study ,just realize God raised persons ro have the time,ability to reasearch for you.your kjv is such a seed that was planted to fruition .
So that I'm not called to learn ,speak Hebrew,Greek puts you in the latter category as you are reliant on men who as English catholics,yes Jim is right as I know three or priests,called Father ,that church birthed the kjv .
They ,then had biases,did the best they could ,inserted italics here and there,and they weren't futurists! The idea of a seven trib wasn't taught in 1611!
I don't believe in pretrib or a seven year tribulation either as scripture says Jesus returns on the last day. I use to believe all that bandwagon teachings, but the more I studied the more I found nothing in scripture to support these man made theories.
Yes, I was called of God to teach His word and attended classes for this to become a licensed Evangelist many years ago, but the licensed part was only for a time an a season for the purpose of His particular ministry He had for me at that time. I am no longer affiliated with any church for now and all my studying comes from the KJV and the Jerusalem Bible as I sit for hours in my living room studying the scriptures and also the history and cultures of Biblical times of the Prophets and Apostles.
I never ask anyone to believe what I teach, but to take the scriptures I give and study them for themselves praying and asking the Holy Spirit to teach them as apart from the Holy Spirit man can teach us nothing. How ignorant I would be and displeasing to the Lord if I told everyone to believe what I say as even I know I am prone to make errors at times. But when I do error the Holy Spirit is quick to correct me or send others to correct me.
I will never learn everything for who could ever exhaust all the teachings of Christ, but it is He who gives me the topics to study and teach others. Will I make mistakes along the way, yes, as I am human and humans make unintentional errors at times because we are not perfect. If we are not opened for correction by the Holy Spirit using others to show us our error then we are leaning on our own understanding and will begin to teach another gospel. I am happy that you know all these other languages, but even then are you learning by mans wording or are you truly listening to the Holy Spirit teach you.
Pizza
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This is very true. The spirit has been leading God's people since before there was a Bible.
Corn Pop
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More people claim the Holy Spirit is speaking to them and they are telling you the truth than there are bible translations. Don't be decieved. If the spirit is speaking to everyone there sure are a lot of contradictions. And I mean real contradictions.
I have scrutinised the bible as hard as I can over the years and I still cannot find a ligit contradiction, so I don't say it lightly. There are false prophets and teachers everywhere .
I have scrutinised the bible as hard as I can over the years and I still cannot find a ligit contradiction, so I don't say it lightly. There are false prophets and teachers everywhere .
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Is this the KJV you read?
11 Let the woman learne in silence with all subiection:
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to vsurpe authoritie ouer the man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eue:
14 And Adam was not deceiued, but the woman being deceiued was in the transgression:
15 Notwithstanding she shall be saued in child-bearing, if they continue in faith and charitie, and holinesse, with sobrietie (1 Tim 2:11-15. KJV 1611).
Oz
Exactly, as I believe even if we did not have the written word the Holy Spirit would still teach us as it was in the beginning.
When we go about discrediting every Bible version that has ever been published where does this leave one who is seeking, but yet has no knowledge or has yet to make that decision to accept Jesus as Lord and Savior. Which Bible are they to trust as it all becomes to confusing for them and God is not the author of confusion, but Satan sure is.
Milk goes down pretty easy, but when you bite off more meat than you can chew you will choke on it.