Imagination~ What Does God Say About It?

[Biblereader]

Good thing no one told Henry Ford that imagination was evil....

The car isnt evil, it's what man has done with it, that's evil....

For one, the lies about global warming, carbon footprints, and worshiping earth, to the point that crazies go around destroying suvs.

It's a vicious circle, sometimes.

 

[Biblereader]

As for psychology, IT IS EVIL. It was made by men who hate the bible.
It glorifies SELF, psychology does.

Please get a copy of Psychology and the Church, by Dave Hunt.
He busts psychology's satanic roots wide open, and exposes the anti-Christian
methods of psychology.

Think about it-why go and pay some shrink to tell you how to get better, when GOD CREATED YOU,
and He has the answers for you, and everyone.
Your problems aren't new, there is NOTHING new under the sun.

God wrote and preserved His Word, in the KJV bible. Read it, instead of some stupid
psychology book.

 

[jasoncran]

so when my wife is better and even doesnt like to take those meds, and doesnt have those mode swings,yet is much better when on her meds than off. She isnt addicted to them, if she was then why should just stop taking them and i have to talk her into using them.

Theres a good episode of law and order svu on bi-polar, watch it and then think you have to live with that everyday.

Yes i know all about Jung, and also marx and freud influence. Is also cars after all henry ford was anti-semitic and hated blacks. Yes it has many problems, but some that practice it arent that anti-christian and believe in it a get results. One has to know how to use it.

How does one just decide oh i feel good a shop like a maniac and loose all sense, then of i feel bad. It aint faked, friends that have bp describe it as having the thought what a good day and go off the wheel doing things that they dont realize are to the extreme ie purchasing things that cant pay for and know it yet feel that its ok because somehow it will work, then the next day its the opposite.

 

[Slyvena]

How is this conversation secular? We are presenting our side of the discussion with Biblical ideas, and using Bible verse quotes to jusitfy our answers.

give up, he is lost to us. By the very same advice he gave us on not trying more than twice if they reject you, well we passed that point long ago...

As for psychology, IT IS EVIL. It was made by men who hate the bible.
It glorifies SELF, psychology does.

Please get a copy of Psychology and the Church, by Dave Hunt.
He busts psychology's satanic roots wide open, and exposes the anti-Christian
methods of psychology.

Think about it-why go and pay some shrink to tell you how to get better, when GOD CREATED YOU,
and He has the answers for you, and everyone.
Your problems aren't new, there is NOTHING new under the sun.

God wrote and preserved His Word, in the KJV bible. Read it, instead of some stupid
psychology book.

...? seriously? Ever heard of theophostic counselling, I know a bunch who used that to overcome some pretty serious stuff that had happened to them in their youth. As always it is not the tool but the one wielding it that defines whether it is evil or not, I only wish WWJD2010 could have realised this before he left the discussion Another example of extremely useful counselling is pre-marital counselling, our church finds it brings out many different issues in a soon to be married couple which makes their first year of marriage (as anyone who has been married will tell you, it can be very hard, sometimes much harder for some) much more peaceful. I'd go on but this isn't really the topic matter,

to re-iterate... not the tool, but the person.

 

[GodspromisesRyes]

i think the thing is that we have often too small a scope of what is evil. We often think something that is neither harmful or good is just in between and fine, but the thing about it is that the bible says that anything that is not of FAITH is a sin. Things that are VAIN are sins and fleshly not of faith. Now we may use those ideas for things we make and may even use them for good- for instance a car. Very likely it was not make or thought of in faith- at least not faith in God and the Lord Jesus Christ. But we now have cars and use cars as christians for good things that are of faith

When our minds are having idol time, vain time, thoughts that just are not of faith- that is not good either and should be captured and cast down so that faith and truth can replace it. We are to set minds on things above

 

[Slyvena]

i think the thing is that we have often too small a scope of what is evil. We often think something that is neither harmful or good is just in between and fine, but the thing about it is that the bible says that anything that is not of FAITH is a sin. Things that are VAIN are sins and fleshly not of faith. Now we may use those ideas for things we make and may even use them for good- for instance a car. Very likely it was not make or thought of in faith- at least not faith in God and the Lord Jesus Christ. But we now have cars and use cars as christians for good things that are of faith

When our minds are having idol time, vain time, thoughts that just are not of faith- that is not good either and should be captured and cast down so that faith and truth can replace it. We are to set minds on things above

I admire your dedication but I don't think I can constantly direct my thoughts to non-vein things, I don't idle for the sake of idling, I only do it to relax and for recreation. I do however agree that pointless inaction (while not necessarily evil) is not really a good thing.

 

[Biblereader]

51: Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:
52: For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three.
53: The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
54: And he said also to the people, When ye see a cloud rise out of the west, straightway ye say, There cometh a shower; and so it is.
55: And when ye see the south wind blow, ye say, There will be heat; and it cometh to pass.
56: Ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky and of the earth; but how is it that ye do not discern this time?
57: Yea, and why even of yourselves judge ye not what is right?

When EVER someone says psychology and drug prescribing is bad, there's a lot of division.
Like I said, people don't want to handle life the JESUS way, they want to do it the world's way, which is exalting self, not working hard to reach the goal, and fogging their mind.
As for a bi polar, I remember 2 people who had it, and I always wondered why their parents/spouses enabled them to go on wild spending sprees.
Bi polar, sometimes, is an excuse of the person with it, for going to excess, and then saying, POOR ME, feel sorry for me, you can't make me take responsibility for my actions. Poor me.

I would not let the bi polar person have access to a lot of money, until they proved they could be trusted to handle it.
Same with any excess. I don't bring Oreo cookies in the house, because I know I will eat the whole bag.
I don't let an unreliable person hold my credit card.

 

[Biblereader]

i think the thing is that we have often too small a scope of what is evil. We often think something that is neither harmful or good is just in between and fine, but the thing about it is that the bible says that anything that is not of FAITH is a sin. Things that are VAIN are sins and fleshly not of faith. Now we may use those ideas for things we make and may even use them for good- for instance a car. Very likely it was not make or thought of in faith- at least not faith in God and the Lord Jesus Christ. But we now have cars and use cars as christians for good things that are of faith

When our minds are having idol time, vain time, thoughts that just are not of faith- that is not good either and should be captured and cast down so that faith and truth can replace it. We are to set minds on things above

i think the thing is that we have often too small a scope of what is evil. We often think something that is neither harmful or good is just in between and fine,

Let me talk more about your excellent point: Things actually are either FOR GOD, or against Him,
there isn't any gray area, there isnt any middle ground.
The churches, their members, precisely, have,for the most part, been successfully made unable to discern between good and evil. The preachers are strangled by "political correctness", the bibles are not even the Word of God, except the KJV, and since Christians don't have anything CLEAR and DEFINITE anymore, the devil is sweeping in, and ruining them, by introducing antiCHristian things
into their lives, and since they can't discern, they are corrupted.
How do you overtake your enemy?
How does the devil mess up a Christian?
Well, either with a full blitz, or slowly, and by using peer pressure.
Knocking out the walls, by eroding the foundation.

 

[GodspromisesRyes]

Rom 12:1 ¶ I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, [which is] your reasonable service.
Rom 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what [is] that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.


Eph 4:22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
Eph 4:23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
Eph 4:24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

 

[Biblereader]

Rom 12:1 ¶ I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, [which is] your reasonable service.
Rom 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what [is] that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.


Eph 4:22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
Eph 4:23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
Eph 4:24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

Here's the whole thing..thank you for posting this! I agree, I say, amen!
Be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind...!! AMEN!
Not the drugging of your mind, but, renewing it, in Jesus.

 

[Biblereader]

Question:
Is Hollywood/movies/theatre of God, or not? Has the imagination of man made good, God honoring, Christ-centered movies and theatre plays,
as a RULE? Is the majority of Hollywood, especially presently, Godly?

Hints:
In classical mythology, Dionysus or Dionysos Greek: ???????? or ????????) is the god of wine, the inspirer of ritual madness and ecstasy, and a major figure of Greek mythology, and one of the twelve Olympians, amongst whom Greek mythology treated him as a late arrival. The geographical origins of his cult were unknown to the classical Greeks, but all myths depicted him as having “foreign†origins; Dionysus is typical of the god of the epiphany, “the god that comesâ€.

He was also known as Bacchus, the name adopted by the Romans, and the frenzy he induces, bakkheia. He is the patron deity of agriculture and the theater. He was also known as the Liberator (Eleutherios), freeing one from one’s normal self, by madness, ecstasy, or wine.3 The divine mission of Dionysus was to mingle the music of the aulos and to bring an end to care and worry.
Is Dionysus also the god/devil of madness?
The dithyramb (?????????? - dithurambos) was an ancient Greek hymn sung and danced in honour of Dionysos.
Greek tragedy as we know it was created in Athens some years before 532 BC, when Thespis was the earliest recorded playwright. Being a winner of the first theatrical contest held at Athens, he was the exarchon, or leader, of the dithyrambs performed in and around Attica, especially at the rural Dionysia.

The beginnings of acting, from which we now have actors and actresses, came from Greece.
The VAST majority of the time, Hollywood does not make anything that glorifies God.

So, Hollywood, movies, and theatre, and all that is attached with it, is a clear example of the wickedness of man’s imagination.
Imagination gone wrong, and continuing to go wrong.

Another question, and this one will take some thought to answer, if you are talking to a lost person:
TELEVISION- does it glorify God, or not? Is television, the invention of, (from man’s imagination) and subsequent history and present day
progression of, known, as a general rule, to glorify God?

One more question, then I’m outta here for a while: advertisements!!
I took college classes about advertising, and I KNOW advertisements are full of lies. They are geared to tweak your flesh,
your lust, your fleshly desires, and to get you to feel you need their product.
There is very little truth in advertising.
Also, color is used to manipulate you, to get you to buy their product, same with the soundtracks, you hear on commercials.
Symbols are used in advertising, to appeal to your sinful nature, too, along with the lies, colors, and sounds.

Does anyone think man’s imagination has produced much good, in advertising and commercials. (commercials are on tv, ha ha!)

 

[handy]

If God doesn't want us to use our imagination, then every time it's used is sin.

But, then we would have to wipe out each and every work that is Christian fiction, because it sprang from the author's imagination. Bye-bye Pilgrim's Progress. Bye-bye Screwtape Letters. Bye-bye Hind's Feet on High Places.

I don't know...I find this whole thread rather sad...sort of like a book burning

 

[NoMoreSilence]

Bible reader, is the human brain and its use evil? Or the heart that is in the man who imagaines evil?

The human brain is a wondrous thing, and God gave it to us and told us to use it.
What you do with your brain, however, is another story.
The heart of man is deceitfully wicked above all else, who can know it?

 

[GodspromisesRyes]

If God doesn't want us to use our imagination, then every time it's used is sin.

But, then we would have to wipe out each and every work that is Christian fiction, because it sprang from the author's imagination. Bye-bye Pilgrim's Progress. Bye-bye Screwtape Letters. Bye-bye Hind's Feet on High Places.

I don't know...I find this whole thread rather sad...sort of like a book burning

i just want to say incase anyone misunderstood me, that i do not believe that imagination in itself is a sin- I believe it is a sin when it is not being used in truth and faith towards God with the renewed mind of Christ.

I actually believe that imagination is VERY useful and GOD given for us to use towards faith. it is just so common and easy to use it outside of faith that MOST of the time for MOST people it is used for evil. This is a nice verse i think.

Eph 3:17 That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,
Eph 3:18 May be able to comprehend with all saints what [is] the breadth, and length, and depth, and height;
Eph 3:19 And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.
Eph 3:20 Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us,
Eph 3:21 Unto him [be] glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.

 

[jasoncran]

Good point handy, shoot i guess cs.lewis and jrr tolkein had a bad and evil heart when they wrote those stories that are made and have been made into movies.

 

[Biblereader]

If God doesn't want us to use our imagination, then every time it's used is sin.

But, then we would have to wipe out each and every work that is Christian fiction, because it sprang from the author's imagination. Bye-bye Pilgrim's Progress. Bye-bye Screwtape Letters. Bye-bye Hind's Feet on High Places.

I don't know...I find this whole thread rather sad...sort of like a book burning

Handy, using our imagination to GLORIFY GOD is fine.
But,
how many people do that?

What imagination activity can you think of that glorifies GOD?
Hmmm?

If you can think of one, think about whether or not man has taken that simple act of glorifying God,
and perverted it.
I have no problem with people using their imagination to glorify God.

 

[Biblereader]

Good point handy, shoot i guess cs.lewis and jrr tolkein had a bad and evil heart when they wrote those stories that are made and have been made into movies.

Neither Tolkien nor Lewis are/were Christians. Lewis attended church, but, he was not a Christian.
And Tolkien...good grief, man.

 

[Biblereader]

After you read this, you will be well informed about Tolkien and Lewis.

http://libertytothecaptives.net/cslewis_fruits.html

What you do with that information, is entirely up to you. It is out of my hands. Your salvation-you should work out in fear and trembling...

 

[Biblereader]

Bible reader, is the human brain and its use evil? Or the heart that is in the man who imagaines evil?

The human brain is a wondrous thing, and God gave it to us and told us to use it.
What you do with your brain, however, is another story.
The heart of man is deceitfully wicked above all else, who can know it?

Listen to this person! A voice crying out in the WILDERNESS!

 

[jasoncran]

Worship. If you read the book in the bible called revalation, think of throne and it's glory and the seraphim that cry holy, holy, holy. Then begin to praise the lord and you will one day see that in person and will be able to be that close to the father and live and be on your knees or prostrate oneself and sing praises to Him. It's awesome that the Father , who has that voice that can shake the mountains, yet is so concerned with me that he sent the Son to die for me.

I cant only imagine what i will do as that mercy me song goes.