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"In The Beginning Was THE WORD..."

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herald

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"Every Scripture Is God Breathed and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness; so that the man of God may be perfect, fully furnished for every good work." 2 Tim 3:16 (Literal Greek)

Our Creator Spoke The Worlds Into Existence: "Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the Word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear." Heb 11:3.

"Who (Jesus) being the brightness of His glory, and the express image of His person, and upholding ALL THINGS by the Word of His power..." Heb 1:3.

The First Challenge To The Word Of God was in the garden of Eden, when Satan queried, "Hath God said...?" Gen 3:1.

The Word = The Law: In Psalm 119, the word, "Word," is used, interchangeably, with, "law," "commandments," "judgments," "precepts," "statutes," "testimonies."

We Are Born Again By His Word: "Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the Word of God, which liveth and abideth forever." 1 Pe 1:23; Ja 1:18; John 15:3; Eph 5:25,26.

Obeying His Word Keeps Us From Sin: "Thy Word have I hid in my heart that I might not sin against thee." Ps 119:11.

"But be ye doers of the Word, and not hearers, only, deceiving your own selves." Ja 1:22.

His Word Guides Us: "Thy Word is a lamp unto my feet and a light unto my path." Ps 119:105, 67, 103.

His Word Is Bread To Our Spirit: Jesus said, "It is written, Man shall not live by bread, alone, but by every Word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God." Mt 4:4.

"...I have esteemed the Words of His mouth more than my necessary food." Job 23:12.

"Thy Words were found and I did eat them; and thy Word was unto me the joy and rejoicing of my heart..." Jer 15:16.

Faith Comes By His Word: "So then faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the Word of God." Rom 10:17.

The Roman Centurion...said...but, speak the Word, only, and my servant shall be healed." Mt 8:8.
Jesus responded, "Verily I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel." Mt 8:10.

Healing And Deliverance Come by His Word: "He sent His Word and healed them and delivered them from their destructions." Ps 107:20.

Tradition Renders The Word Of God, Useless: Mt 15:1-9.

Those Who Obey God's Word Are More Blessed Than Mary: "...a certain woman...said unto Him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee and the paps which thou hast sucked." But, He (Jesus) said, Yea, rather, blessed are they that hear the Word of God and keep it." Lu 11:27,28.

We Are To Tremble At His Word: "...but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit and trembleth at my Word." Isa 66:2.

Jesus Quoted Scripture In Spiritual Warfare With Satan: "It is written..." Mt 4:4,7,10.

"And take the sword of the Spirit, which is the Word of God." Eph 6:17.

"For the Word of God is quick and powerful and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart." Heb 4:12.

We Are To Search The Scriptures To Verify What We Are Taught: "The Bereans were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the Word with all readiness of mind, searching the Scriptures, daily, whether those things were so." Acts 17:11.

The Disciples Spoke the Word Of God: "...ye received the Word of God, which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the Word of God..." 1 Thess 2:13.

Men Are Martyred For The Word Of God: "And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the Word of God..." Rev 6:9.

And, Most Significant Of All - JESUS IS THE WORD OF GOD: "That which is from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with out eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled of the Word of life..." 1 John 1:1.

"For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, THE WORD, and the Holy Ghost and these three are one." 1 John 5:7.

"In the beginning was The Word and The Word was with God and THE WORD WAS GOD...and The Word became flesh and dwelt among us." John 1.

"And He was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and HIS NAME IS CALLED THE WORD OF GOD." Rev 19:13.

All praise to the expired ("breathed out") Word of the living God!
 
kal8 said:
The WORD represents Jesus
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When John penned John 1:1, I believe that what he was trying to do was to show that this same person, Jesus, who they saw walk the earth, was the same person who they knew to be God in the Old Testament. Do a search on "The Word" in the Old Testament and you will find many times that the Word came as a person and talked to people face to face in the Old Testament. For example:

1 Sam 3:21
21 Then the LORD appeared again in Shiloh. For the LORD revealed Himself to Samuel in Shiloh by the word of the LORD.
NKJV

2 Sam 7:4-6
4 But it happened that night that the word of the LORD came to Nathan, saying, 5 "Go and tell My servant David, 'Thus says the LORD: "Would you build a house for Me to dwell in?
NKJV
 
And one day we will be judged by the Word:

Jesus said, "He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my Words, hath one that judgeth him: the Word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say and what I should speak.

And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak." John 12:48-50.

The Father gave Jesus a commandment, to speak, only, what He gave HIm to speak.

We should follow His example - speak God's Word, only - no more and no less.
 
herald said:
"Every Scripture Is God Breathed and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness; so that the man of God may be perfect, fully furnished for every good work." 2 Tim 3:16 (Literal Greek)

Our Creator Spoke The Worlds Into Existence: "Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the Word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear." Heb 11:3.

"Who (Jesus) being the brightness of His glory, and the express image of His person, and upholding ALL THINGS by the Word of His power..." Heb 1:3.

The First Challenge To The Word Of God was in the garden of Eden, when Satan queried, "Hath God said...?" Gen 3:1.

The Word = The Law: In Psalm 119, the word, "Word," is used, interchangeably, with, "law," "commandments," "judgments," "precepts," "statutes," "testimonies."

We Are Born Again By His Word: "Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the Word of God, which liveth and abideth forever." 1 Pe 1:23; Ja 1:18; John 15:3; Eph 5:25,26.

Obeying His Word Keeps Us From Sin: "Thy Word have I hid in my heart that I might not sin against thee." Ps 119:11.

"But be ye doers of the Word, and not hearers, only, deceiving your own selves." Ja 1:22.

His Word Guides Us: "Thy Word is a lamp unto my feet and a light unto my path." Ps 119:105, 67, 103.

His Word Is Bread To Our Spirit: Jesus said, "It is written, Man shall not live by bread, alone, but by every Word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God." Mt 4:4.

"...I have esteemed the Words of His mouth more than my necessary food." Job 23:12.

"Thy Words were found and I did eat them; and thy Word was unto me the joy and rejoicing of my heart..." Jer 15:16.

Faith Comes By His Word: "So then faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the Word of God." Rom 10:17.

The Roman Centurion...said...but, speak the Word, only, and my servant shall be healed." Mt 8:8.
Jesus responded, "Verily I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel." Mt 8:10.

Healing And Deliverance Come by His Word: "He sent His Word and healed them and delivered them from their destructions." Ps 107:20.

Tradition Renders The Word Of God, Useless: Mt 15:1-9.

Those Who Obey God's Word Are More Blessed Than Mary: "...a certain woman...said unto Him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee and the paps which thou hast sucked." But, He (Jesus) said, Yea, rather, blessed are they that hear the Word of God and keep it." Lu 11:27,28.

We Are To Tremble At His Word: "...but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit and trembleth at my Word." Isa 66:2.

Jesus Quoted Scripture In Spiritual Warfare With Satan: "It is written..." Mt 4:4,7,10.

"And take the sword of the Spirit, which is the Word of God." Eph 6:17.

"For the Word of God is quick and powerful and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart." Heb 4:12.

We Are To Search The Scriptures To Verify What We Are Taught: "The Bereans were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the Word with all readiness of mind, searching the Scriptures, daily, whether those things were so." Acts 17:11.

The Disciples Spoke the Word Of God: "...ye received the Word of God, which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the Word of God..." 1 Thess 2:13.

Men Are Martyred For The Word Of God: "And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the Word of God..." Rev 6:9.

And, Most Significant Of All - JESUS IS THE WORD OF GOD: "That which is from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with out eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled of the Word of life..." 1 John 1:1.

"For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, THE WORD, and the Holy Ghost and these three are one." 1 John 5:7.

"In the beginning was The Word and The Word was with God and THE WORD WAS GOD...and The Word became flesh and dwelt among us." John 1.

"And He was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and HIS NAME IS CALLED THE WORD OF GOD." Rev 19:13.

All praise to the expired ("breathed out") Word of the living God!
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Amen! :D So don't listen to Satan who tries to tell you through false teachers that the bible is not the only infallible truth, that you can change the bible, or interpret it any way you want. That's Satan at his best.
 
Where is the verse that says the Bible is the only infallible truth, Heidi?
 
It is used in the old testament as the word of god, the writer of the books of john delibertaley used the word as a symbol of jesus to convert jews.
 
kal8 said:
It is used in the old testament as the word of god, the writer of the books of john delibertaley used the word as a symbol of jesus to convert jews.
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In the OT, we actually see the "Word of God" as communicating in real time discussions with individuals and is acknowledged as God in the OT. So I would go further and suggest that the Word of God is not a symbol of Jesus, - it is Jesus. It is a title of Jesus just as much as the Son of God is a title of Jesus.
 
When Peter, "lovingly," told Jesus, that, He didn't need to die upon the cross, Jesus looked at him and said, "Get thee, behind me, Satan!"

When James and John wanted to follow Elijah's example (denominational precedent?), and call fire down from heaven upon the Samaritans, Jesus said, "You know not what spirit you are of!"

When Jesus said, that, one of His disciples would betray Him, they did not know who it was. Yet, Satan filled the heart of Judas and he betrayed the Lord.

The greatest deception is that which is the closest to the Truth.

These disciples were with Jesus 24/7, yet, when they trusted in their own understanding, became tools of Satan, who was attempting to thwart God's plan.

So, who do we think, that, we are, with our own traditions and opinions?

Are we greater than our Lord Jesus Christ, who, only, spoke the Words the Father commanded Him to speak?
 
I doubt that anyone here would suggest that they are greater than Jesus, but I am unclear why you raised that comment and how it fits in with the overall thread. Could you clarify?
 
I related the story of the four disciples to illustrate my point. They were with Jesus for years, yet, when they trusted in their own understanding, became tools of the enemy.

Let's be realistic. If we were there, when Peter, James and John offered their suggestions, we, probably, would have agreed with them - but, Satan was speaking through them!

Jesus limited Himself to speak, only, the Words, that, the Father instructed Him to speak. He is our example. If He limited Himself to total obedience to the Father, we should limit our discussions to Scripture, alone, and not interject our own opinions and traditions.

"He that abideth in Him, ought himself so to walk, even as He walked." 1 John 2:6.

Jesus said, "But I say unto you, That every idle Word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. For by the Words thou shalt be justified, and by the Words thou shalt be condemned." Mt 12:36,37.

Very Sobering Words for us all.
 
herald said:
I related the story of the four disciples to illustrate my point. They were with Jesus for years, yet, when they trusted in their own understanding, became tools of the enemy.

Let's be realistic. If we were there, when Peter, James and John offered their suggestions, we, probably, would have agreed with them - but, Satan was speaking through them!

Jesus limited Himself to speak, only, the Words, that, the Father instructed Him to speak. He is our example. If He limited Himself to total obedience to the Father, we should limit our discussions to Scripture, alone, and not interject our own opinions and traditions.

"He that abideth in Him, ought himself so to walk, even as He walked." 1 John 2:6.

Jesus said, "But I say unto you, That every idle Word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. For by the Words thou shalt be justified, and by the Words thou shalt be condemned." Mt 12:36,37.

Very Sobering Words for us all.
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The question is, what does this have to do with the fact that Jesus is called "The Word".
 
The Lord God Almighty calls Jesus, "The Word". He is God's living message to man.

Jesus said, "...of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh." Lu 6:45. God spoke His message through His Son. And in the same manner, what we say, indicates who we are.

That is why we need to search the Scriptures, daily, to see how He walked, and what He said. We are to imitate everything that He did, as He was/is our example in all things.

If we are born again, He lives within us. To walk as He walked, we need to die to self, and allow His Spirit to be released through us - that is what "walking in the Spirit," is all about.
 
herald said:
The Lord God Almighty calls Jesus, "The Word". He is God's living message to man.

Jesus said, "...of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh." Lu 6:45. God spoke His message through His Son. And in the same manner, what we say, indicates who we are.

That is why we need to search the Scriptures, daily, to see how He walked, and what He said. We are to imitate everything that He did, as He was/is our example in all things.

If we are born again, He lives within us. To walk as He walked, we need to die to self, and allow His Spirit to be released through us - that is what "walking in the Spirit," is all about.
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Exactly! Amen to that. Except I would add that if we are walking in the light of love that Jesus taught, the Spirit of God will dwell in us, even if we are not born again as yet.
 
What is the love of God?

We cannot trust in our own hearts, we were born sinners:

"Let not thine heart decline to her ways, go not astray in her paths. For she hath cast down many wounded: yea, many strong men have been slain by her. Her house is the way to hell, going down to the chambers of death." Pro 7:25-27.

Jesus said, "If ye love me, keep my commandments." John 14:15.

"By THIS we know that we love the children of God (greatest commandment #2), when we love God (greatest commandment #1), and keep His commandments: and His commandments are not grievous." 1 John 5:2,3.

"And THIS is love, that we walk after His commandments." 2 John 6.

Only those who are, truly, born again and have His Spirit within, can, truly, love God and others.
 
Toms777 said:
kal8 said:
The WORD represents Jesus
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When John penned John 1:1, I believe that what he was trying to do was to show that this same person, Jesus, who they saw walk the earth, was the same person who they knew to be God in the Old Testament. Do a search on "The Word" in the Old Testament and you will find many times that the Word came as a person and talked to people face to face in the Old Testament. For example:

1 Sam 3:21
21 Then the LORD appeared again in Shiloh. For the LORD revealed Himself to Samuel in Shiloh by the word of the LORD.
NKJV

2 Sam 7:4-6
4 But it happened that night that the word of the LORD came to Nathan, saying, 5 "Go and tell My servant David, 'Thus says the LORD: "Would you build a house for Me to dwell in?
NKJV
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Careful here: In the beginning was the Word who was Christ, not yet Jesus.
 
Careful here: In the beginning was the Word who was Christ, not yet Jesus.
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Whoa - care to validate that claim from scripture? Where does scripture say that Christ was, at one time, not Jesus.
 
Jesus is His name, "Christ," His title: "anointed one."

But there were, several, pre-incarnate appearances in the Old Testament.
 
herald said:
Jesus is His name, "Christ," His title: "anointed one."

But there were, several, pre-incarnate appearances in the Old Testament.
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Yes, I agree that there were many pre-incarnate appearances, but what has that to do with your claim? You have not yet shown that Jesus and the Christ were not one and the same throughout pre-existent eternity.

It seems to me that there is an unspoken assumption that you are making which is drawing you to that conclusion. Perhaps if you could clarify as to how you make the linkage between the pre-incarnate Christ and John 1:1, it would help me understand where you are coming from.
 
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