interesting thread - worth a look

[jasoncran]

lol:toofunny

 

[Vic C.]

hmm while i am not a fan of dispy but to say that the rcc is the ac is also a tab bit off and calvin,luther and a lot of the reformers thought that.

That is one of the things I disagree with concerning Reformed End Times Theology. The SDA also bought into it hook, line and sinker.

Using the only definition of Antichrist penned by John in his epistles, does the RCC fit that definition.

Yes or no... easy question. I do not agree with much RCC doctrine and I don't buy into the faith/works view os salvation for sure but I do know that they don't deny Christ had/has come in the flesh.

LLoyd, keep praying and studying because you can't just put your trust on any of these forums. Everyone has a "slant". :D

 

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ok well the moderation and admin team has known of fullpreterism. i take it as heritical to say that the devil and judgment is done.

ditto that.

 

[n2thelight]

II Timothy 2:15 "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the world of truth."

If the Word was rightly divided,Christ 2nd coming in 70ad,would hold no water.....

II Timothy 2:16 "But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness."

"Profane and vain babblings" are all those things spoken that are empty from any of the wisdom from God's Word.

Amos 8:11 "Behold the days come, saith the Lord God, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the Lord."

II Timothy 2:17 "And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;"

This word for "canker" in the Greek is "gangraina", and in the English we should translate it "gangrene". So lets translate the meanings of these names, instead of just using them as a name. "Hymenaeus" means "belonging to marriage". "Philetus" means "beloved". Just like an old gangrene sore, it starts as something quite innocent, and if it is allowed to continue and spread, it doesn't take long until it spreads through out the entire body, and ending up claiming the life of the victim. Some times it takes an amputation of the part that gangrene has set in to save the life of a person, or the entire body will be contaminated beyond saving.

However, this is speaking of a spiritual matter within a congregation, and those doing the teaching and preaching may sound so innocent and even beautiful in what they have to say. Their words become disarming for the spiritual battle that we are in today. Profane and vain words are like gangrene to God's Word and the Gospel of Christ. When the true Word of Paul's teachings is not rightly divided on all three levels, then the pastor becomes nothing more than a Hymenaeus or Philetus, a vain babbler.

The next verse really sums up how I feel about preterism

II Timothy 2:18 "Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already, and overthrow the faith of some."

Can one tell me who the above was written to???

One will answer for what they teach!!!!!!!!!

 

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The next verse really sums up how I feel about preterism

II Timothy 2:18 "Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already, and overthrow the faith of some."

Can one tell me who the above was written to???

One will answer for what they teach!!!!!!!!!

Those who claim that the tempter, that would be SATAN, no longer tempts us to SIN and leads believers astray and blinds the minds of the unbelievers are in fact captured in MIND themselves in thinking these facts are not so today.

I agree with you that we have enemies that are not viewable by flesh eyes. We have been PROMISED their utter and complete DESTRUCTION. And no, it didn't happen in 70 ad.

We are to look for a new heavens and earth where there are NO SUCH WORKINGS.

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[Stormcrow]

One will answer for what they teach!!!!!!!!!

Yes. You will.

 

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Re: Matt. 24:21 Wake Up Call?

You missed a spot:

If the book were written after 70 AD, there is no significant event that fulfills the timing of John's words "soon" and "near." The book - having been written no later than 68 AD - is consistent with Christ's words in Matthew 23 and 24 wherein He says all the things He has prophesied will fall on that generation.

The difference will remain that the scriptures do not deal with 'man only' but also with anti-Christ spirits, the devil and his messengers.

The devil also had and HAS children. The devil and his children constitute ONE GENERATION that started in the Garden as a single SERPENT entity and by the book of Revelation has GROWN into THE GREAT DRAGON.

Of course 'full preterism' takes ZERO account for this matter, and focuses solely on a handful of Jews in 70 a.d. and then proceeds belittle anyone who thinks that the devil, the tempter and his messengers ARE STILL IN OPERATION.

This is the essence of the DIVISION that keeps coming up. The full preterist view can not possibly account for the book of Revelation unless they also eradicate SATAN in 70a.d. as well, and of course that just didn't happen.

People still sin, and Jesus came to 'destroy the works of the devil.' Those works obviously still exist and there is no cause to say they are not of the devil.

TRIBULATION and TOTAL utter destruction remains for THE DEVIL.

The instant you say that already happened, you know your positions are quite well out of most mainstream views.

There is also an END POINT spoken of by scriptures in a communal fashion. Here it is:

1 Cor. 15:
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?

Now, you are welcome to look around and say there is no more death while people by the score DIE daily and expect your view to be credible. I do not.

We are promised by God for the END of the POWER OF DEATH, period, in ANY form. This is in fact the HOPE of the GOSPEL.

To say that already transpired flies in the face of REALITY and CREDIBILITY from a christian perspective of OUR HOPE.

These are the matters that are GOING AWAY PERMANENTLY. If you say this already happened, I can only consider such a view (not the PERSON) quite delusional.

Revelation 21:4
And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain:

for the former things are passed away.

s

 

[Vic C.]

TRIBULATION and TOTAL utter destruction remains for THE DEVIL.

Satan will suffer God's wrath, not tribulation. They are different. I understand it as being the difference between indignation and affliction. We (children of God) are refined by and brought through tribulation.

The devil is afforded no refining whatsoever.

 

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Satan will suffer God's wrath, not tribulation.

Depends on how you see it Vic. A lot of readers read of tribulation and think only man, not seeing the habitation of devils is in fact within mankind.

They are different. I understand it as being the difference between indignation and affliction. We (children of God) are refined by and brought through tribulation.

The devil is afforded no refining whatsoever.

I certainly agree on the later. One might remember though that even Satan was afforded both time and warnings by God.

The great tribulation is the final separation of that entity class from mankind and their utter destruction just as Matt. 25 depicts.

Tribulation:

Definition:

1. a pressing, pressing together, pressure
2. metaph. oppression, affliction, tribulation, distress, straits

from the base word definition:

1. to press (as grapes), press hard upon
2. a compressed way
   1. narrow straitened, contracted
3. metaph. to trouble, afflict, distress

Yeah, that's gonna happen to them prior to the Lake.


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[Vic C.]

I don't want to derail this thread any longer, but you should know that I do not believe in a seven year period of great tribulation and I do see in the Bible that tribulation and wrath are two separate things.

Carry on.

 

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I don't want to derail this thread any longer, but you should know that I do not believe in a seven year period of great tribulation and I do see in the Bible that tribulation and wrath are two separate things.

Carry on.

I don't either.

 

[Lehigh3]

From the O.P. link:

You see, many/most preterists don’t believe that the demons are alive and well and are attacking the church today.

Yup. Last time you "cast out demons" you only healed someone of their mental illness. How do I know? Well, tell me if they came out of that person & spoke to everyone, like they did in Jesus' example in the age when Satan was active..

And did those "demons" go into a herd of pigs & make them go drown themselves?

I think not. We create our own evil. Satan is in the Lake of Fire.