Interracial Marrage

[abide]

My issue was not with your personal desire or preference. It was the part of your psting where you said things such as:



You can date whoever you want, but if you're advocating for all people to date only their own race, it's not just your personal preference anymore.

That is what I believe. You believe that your generation will take over the world. I am not offended by what you believe. Who said I was advocating anything. You seem to have a lot of issues. One of the fruits of the Spirit is JOY AND PEACE. Have a great evening.

 

[farouk]

Umm...Toronto is supposed to be the world's most racially diverse city.

I wouldn't be able to figure how to organize things (from churches, through social services, to recycling, etc.) along racial lines. In fact, I wouldn't want to try. Nor would most people in Toronto, either.

 

[DarkHorseRising]

Umm...Toronto is supposed to be the world's most racially diverse city.

I wouldn't be able to figure how to organize things (from churches, through social services, to recycling, etc.) along racial lines. In fact, I wouldn't want to try. Nor would most people in Toronto, either.

I just live in Toronto; I'm an American from San Diego. But you're right; this city is extremely diverse. The concept of segregating anything along racial lines would be met with complete bafflement here; I can probably count more interracial couples walking past me on the street than monoracial. Nobody bats an eye.

 

[farouk]

I just live in Toronto; I'm an American from San Diego. But you're right; this city is extremely diverse. The concept of segregating anything along racial lines would be met with complete bafflement here; I can probably count more interracial couples walking past me on the street than monoracial. Nobody bats an eye.

DHR:

Yes and, in fact, as well as the many migrants with prearranged visas, many migrants to Canada's largest city also come after they are told by their southern neighbor that they can't stay. They come north, instead of going south, and many of them are allowed to stay in Canada, and many of them marry ...

 

[AlexBC]

Hmmm. I'm going to tread carefully in my response. Well, i'll try.

I think the problem that DHR is having is that this IS a racist commentary. In as far as the term RACISM relates to a person's racial worldview.

The effect of your words is really no different than me saying "I don't want this to degenerate into a racist commentary but I think that blacks and whites should be segregated". That's basically what you are advocating. Apartheid much?

You say that racism still exists, we are still not completely integrated so why not just give up. I am saddened by your words. And simply saying "well, that's just my opinion" is a cop out. It may become the opinion of your children. It may even then become the opinion of THEIR children. How many racists are there right now who believe what they believe simply because it was passed down from one generation to the next?

You said-

"Racism is still deeply entrenched in the psyche of some white folks and black folks and I believe that to avoid all the unnecessary confusion, we should stick to the thing we know best."

Congratulations. You just looked every HERO of the Civil rights movement squarely in the eye and said "sc%&w you".

You also said-

"I prefer to have someone sleeping next to me that looks like me and my children like both of us."

Well, Children generally DO look like both of their parents. What the hell does skin colour or slight deviation in physiognomy have to do with anything? I think i'd like to know why you'd prefer to have someone of the same colour sleeping next to you. You are coming across as racist whether you realise it or not and have failed to provide any real reasons why you hold this opinion.

You also said-

"Sometime ago at work, one of my co-workers was discussing this same topic.
I made the statement that if Caucasian people could not marry people with my skin colour in 1812, I don't see why they would want me to marry one of theirs in 2012."

I actually don't get what you're saying here. You seem to be stereotyping all whites as the same generally racist idiots that advocated slavery in 1812.


Probably the most telling statement here is-

"I have never been to school with white folks, never socialised with them."

Here's a suggestion. TRY IT! Then you may just stop stereotyping and have a healthier opinion of race relations in the 21st century.




These are some of the main reasons why many people would find your thread unsettling. You seem to be making your decisions based on skin colour alone. What's that then? A fashion statement? Get out there. Meet more people of all colours. Hell, you may even meet and fall in love with some fantastic Asian/Caucasian/Indian person. Hell, they may be a mix of all of those. Just don't let the attitudes of other people colour your view of a world you admitted to not really being a part of.

 

[abide]

Hmmm. I'm going to tread carefully in my response. Well, i'll try.

I think the problem that DHR is having is that this IS a racist commentary. In as far as the term RACISM relates to a person's racial worldview.

The effect of your words is really no different than me saying "I don't want this to degenerate into a racist commentary but I think that blacks and whites should be segregated". That's basically what you are advocating. Apartheid much?

You say that racism still exists, we are still not completely integrated so why not just give up. I am saddened by your words. And simply saying "well, that's just my opinion" is a cop out. It may become the opinion of your children. It may even then become the opinion of THEIR children. How many racists are there right now who believe what they believe simply because it was passed down from one generation to the next?

You said-

"Racism is still deeply entrenched in the psyche of some white folks and black folks and I believe that to avoid all the unnecessary confusion, we should stick to the thing we know best."

Congratulations. You just looked every HERO of the Civil rights movement squarely in the eye and said "sc%&w you".

You also said-

"I prefer to have someone sleeping next to me that looks like me and my children like both of us."

Well, Children generally DO look like both of their parents. What the hell does skin colour or slight deviation in physiognomy have to do with anything? I think i'd like to know why you'd prefer to have someone of the same colour sleeping next to you. You are coming across as racist whether you realise it or not and have failed to provide any real reasons why you hold this opinion.

You also said-

"Sometime ago at work, one of my co-workers was discussing this same topic.
I made the statement that if Caucasian people could not marry people with my skin colour in 1812, I don't see why they would want me to marry one of theirs in 2012."

I actually don't get what you're saying here. You seem to be stereotyping all whites as the same generally racist idiots that advocated slavery in 1812.


Probably the most telling statement here is-

"I have never been to school with white folks, never socialised with them."



Here's a suggestion. TRY IT! Then you may just stop stereotyping and have a healthier opinion of race relations in the 21st century.




These are some of the main reason why many people would find your thread unsettling.

How many people find it settling you and darkhorserising.


If a white person had said what I said I would not find it unsettling. I think you and others who seem to be offended need to grow up. Why is it such an unsettling thing for a black person to say they prefer to be married to someone of their colour.

You cannot control what I think. You think I am coming over as a racist but that is your opinion. God knows my heart so don't come judging me. If what I have written has offended you I am sorry. You want to nitpick go ahead.
Barbados is my homecountry and I enjoy living here. I have never been to school with white folks and the majority of black people from Barbados would say the same thing. Even if I did I still would prefer to be married to a black man. If you are interested in an interracial relationship go ahead, but don't try to tell me what I should and should not think. Who do you think you are. I think you are living in the wrong era of history. You should be living during the time of slavery. You would make a good slave master, not only telling people what to do and what to say.

Those days are over Mister. I am FREE TO EXPRESS MY SELF. I do not insult people whether they be white or not. I made my comments without any malice. If you want interpret what I wrote go ahead. I have no apolgies to make.

 

[abide]

Hmmm. I'm going to tread carefully in my response. Well, i'll try.

I think the problem that DHR is having is that this IS a racist commentary. In as far as the term RACISM relates to a person's racial worldview.

The effect of your words is really no different than me saying "I don't want this to degenerate into a racist commentary but I think that blacks and whites should be segregated". That's basically what you are advocating. Apartheid much? Do you know what the word segretate means or discrimination. Please check your dictionary. You seem to be rather confused.

You say that racism still exists, we are still not completely integrated so why not just give up. I am saddened by your words. And simply saying "well, that's just my opinion" is a cop out. It may become the opinion of your children. It may even then become the opinion of THEIR children. How many racists are there right now who believe what they believe simply because it was passed down from one generation to the next?

RACISM STILL EXIST IN ALL ETHNICITIES. THIS IS A FACT. DENYING THIS DOES NOT CHANGE THE FACTS. Racism will continue until the world ends. A change of heart is necessary and ONLY GOD CAN change the heart of man. have you read the post where a black couple were not married at an all white church because of their colour? I am not where you are living but you seem to be living in a dream world. You are more naive than I thought.
You said-

"Racism is still deeply entrenched in the psyche of some white folks and black folks and I believe that to avoid all the unnecessary confusion, we should stick to the thing we know best."

Congratulations. You just looked every HERO of the Civil rights movement squarely in the eye and said "sc%&w you".

You also said-

"I prefer to have someone sleeping next to me that looks like me and my children like both of us."

Well, Children generally DO look like both of their parents. What the hell does skin colour or slight deviation in physiognomy have to do with anything? I think i'd like to know why you'd prefer to have someone of the same colour sleeping next to you. You are coming across as racist whether you realise it or not and have failed to provide any real reasons why you hold this opinion.

You also said-

"Sometime ago at work, one of my co-workers was discussing this same topic.
I made the statement that if Caucasian people could not marry people with my skin colour in 1812, I don't see why they would want me to marry one of theirs in 2012."

I actually don't get what you're saying here. You seem to be stereotyping all whites as the same generally racist idiots that advocated slavery in 1812.


Probably the most telling statement here is-

"I have never been to school with white folks, never socialised with them."



Here's a suggestion. TRY IT! Then you may just stop stereotyping and have a healthier opinion of race relations in the 21st century.




These are some of the main reason why many people would find your thread unsettling.

many people find it settling you and darkhorserising.


If a white person had said what I said I would not find it unsettling. I think you and others who seem to be offended need to grow up. Why is it such an unsettling thing for a black person to say what I said.

You cannot control what I think. You think I am coming over as a racist but that is your opinion. God knows my heart so don't come judging me. If what I have written has offended you I am sorry. You want to nitpick go ahead.
Barbados is my homecountry and I enjoy living here. I have never been to school with white folks and the majority of black people from Barbados would say the same thing. Is that a racist statement, I say no..that is a fact. I have lived in England and I have visited the US twice. I have seen interracial couples, but it is not for me. Does that upset you. Even if I did attend school with white folks I still would prefer to be married to a black man. If you are interested in an interracial relationship go ahead, but don't try to tell me what I should and should not think or do. Who do you think you are. I think you are living in the wrong era of history. You should be living during the time of slavery. You would make a good slave master, not only telling people what to do but what to think and say.


Those days are over Mister. I am FREE TO EXPRESS MY SELF. I do not insult people whether they be white or not. I made my comments without any malice. If you want to interpret what I wrote go ahead. I have no apolgies to make.

 

[AlexBC]

Did you just call me a SLAVE MASTER?!

You didn't really read a single word I wrote did you?

I was not telling you to do anything, just suggesting that your horizons could be broadened with a little more interaction. Maryy whoever you like.

I still can't believe you called me a slave master. Did anything in my post indicate i'm racist in even the slightest?!

 

[DarkHorseRising]

many people find it settling you and darkhorserising.


If a white person had said what I said I would not find it unsettling. I think you and others who seem to be offended need to grow up. Why is it such an unsettling thing for a black person to say what I said.

You cannot control what I think. You think I am coming over as a racist but that is your opinion. God knows my heart so don't come judging me. If what I have written has offended you I am sorry. You want to nitpick go ahead.
Barbados is my homecountry and I enjoy living here. I have never been to school with white folks and the majority of black people from Barbados would say the same thing. Is that a racist statement, I say no..that is a fact. I have lived in England and I have visited the US twice. I have seen interracial couples, but it is not for me. Does that upset you. Even if I did attend school with white folks I still would prefer to be married to a black man. If you are interested in an interracial relationship go ahead, but don't try to tell me what I should and should not think or do. Who do you think you are. I think you are living in the wrong era of history. You should be living during the time of slavery. You would make a good slave master, not only telling people what to do but what to think and say.


Those days are over Mister. I am FREE TO EXPRESS MY SELF. I do not insult people whether they be white or not. I made my comments without any malice. If you want to interpret what I wrote go ahead. I have no apolgies to make.

Ah, I see what you're doing here. Clever girl. You post both your own personal preferences, as well as your view for how the world should be. When challenged on the latter, you pretend the attack was on the former and feign offense.

Nobody cares who you date. The issue some people may have is your statements that all people should stick with their own race. You're allowed to post your opinions, and others are allowed to post theirs. I personally can't imagine living with such a narrow and shallow worldview as you seem to be, but I do allow that if I did, I might come to the same xenophobic position as you have.

 

[AlexBC]

That's a very good call DHR.

I just don't understand how an unsolicited opinion like "Blacks and whites should be seperate" does not violate any rule on this board.

 

[Mike S]

Hmmm. I'm going to tread carefully in my response. Well, i'll try.

I think the problem that DHR is having is that this IS a racist commentary. In as far as the term RACISM relates to a person's racial worldview.

Here's a suggestion. TRY IT! Then you may just stop stereotyping and have a healthier opinion of race relations in the 21st century.

No, AlexBC, having an opinion about how people of different races interact is NOT the same as racism.

I thank God there are people like Abide who can talk honestly about their opinions without being called racist...except by a few hangers on, like you and DHR. Most of us have moved on from obsessing about race, but a few seem incapable of letting go of their "racism" narrative. This isn't the first time I've had this experience with DHR but it is with you. It isn't becoming, it isn't Christian. I suggest you give this greater thought and re-evaluate you own views.

 

[AlexBC]

No, AlexBC, having an opinion about how people of different races interact is NOT the same as racism.

I thank God there are people like Abide who can talk honestly about their opinions without being called racist...except by a few hangers on, like you and DHR. Most of us have moved on from obsessing about race, but a few seem incapable of letting go of their "racism" narrative. This isn't the first time I've had this experience with DHR but it is with you. It isn't becoming, it isn't Christian. I suggest you give this greater thought and re-evaluate you own views.

Okay. Maybe 'Racial segregation" or "Xenophobia" would be more apt.

But semantics aside (I love me some antics) how can you defend this opinion?

And despite what Abide said, if a white person had said this there WOULD be a stronger response, not just from DHR and myself.

I feel like i'm taking the crazy pills here. A person comes on this forum and says that all races should be seperated and she's being defended. I mean, the whole "love thy neighbour" thing in the Bible gives justification to Abide's opinion as that refers to people WITHIN your own tribe (people outside can literally go to hell).So in effect, yes, she's being a true Christian.

And i'll ask again, what did Abide even hope to achieve by posting her opinion? Just to let us know that she's bigoted and xenophobic? Uh, thanks?

"Most of us have moved on from obsessing about race, but a few seem incapable of letting go of their "racism" narrative"

If it's such a non issue that we should have moved past, then why post the thread in the first place?!

 

[abide]

That's a very good call DHR.

I just don't understand how an unsolicited opinion like "Blacks and whites should be seperate" does not violate any rule on this board.

Mister man, I have said what I have said. Many people opposed Mr. Obama not because of his political views but because of his ethnicity. You know that and I know that. The fact is that there are people who are dishonest, deceitful and filled with hyprocrisy. I have no axe to grind. No where in my comments did I say that people should be separate. Don't try to put words in my mouth or twist my statements. I made a comment concerning how I FEEL PERSONALLY about interracial marriage...In other words this is my opinion, you do not have to agree, that is what freedom is all about. You can call me narrowminded...but that is how I see it. Do you want me to tow the line that you are advocating. As I have said before, you have your opinions and I have mine...

You sit and hide behind your computer, but the real you can be seen from what you say. Are you angry at me because I DARE make a statement that you find offensive. Of all the posts that I have made, why is this one the only one you can respond to. I don't have to be defensive. I have said my piece and as I have said before I don't have to apologise to you. You believe what you believe and I have no problem with it. I believe what I believe so let it be. Who are you to tell me what to believe. I am not a racist. End of story. Have a great day. I am done.

 

[AlexBC]

I believe that people of the same ethnicity should be together. Some may not agree with me, but I think that considering what children have to endure it may be the best thing. Love knows no bounds and colour should not be use to prevent two people who are in love from getting married, but knowing human nature, I think this MAY BE THE BEST THING.

Racism is still deeply entrenched in the psyche of some white folks and black folks and I believe that to avoid all the unnecessary confusion, we should stick to the thing we know best.

I still believe in sticking with your own people.



No hard feelings..just telling it like it is.:yes

I guess I was wrong.

I really hope I AM misinterpreting your words, I really do. But there they are in black and white and you cannot reasonably expect someone not to get just a little uncomfortable when reading them, surely?

 

[joethemechanic]

It's funny, if a white person had said the same thing that Abide said most people would be applauding them as being progressive.

Suppose Abide was a white woman and said she preferred black men,,,,,,,

That would be all politically correct and good with most people. At least that is what the face that they wear in public would say.

 

[AlexBC]

It's funny, if a white person had said the same thing that Abide said most people would be applauding them as being progressive.

Suppose Abide was a white woman and said she preferred black men,,,,,,,

That would be all politically correct and good with most people. At least that is what the face that they wear in public would say.

Progressive? It would still be a regress.

And she didn't just say she preferred a certain type of skin colour, she also suggested people on a whole only marry within their race.

 

[handy]

Were Abide's comments racist.

Yes.

They were her sincerely held beliefs and yes, they are racist. Making value judgments about others based solely upon the color of their skin is racist. Abide has decided that any man who is not black is not for her. This is based solely upon the color of his skin, so this is a racist attitude.

Now.... is this a sinful attitude?

Abide, since you're not a North American (combining Canada and USA here) you may not realize that the sort of racism you're discussing here is about as heinous as kicking puppies, spitting on nuns or smoking. Well, take back the spitting on nuns.... some folks who would gladly spit on a nun would climb the walls at your post. You would probably get by with it a little more than others because you're a black woman, and black women are given a little more room to speak these kinds of attitudes freely than say Joe, a middle aged white man.

But, if Joe were to say something like this.... yep, people would be all over him for being a knuckle-dragging Neanderthal and compare him to Hitler.

North American society has decided that old sins like sexual promiscuity, divorce, homosexuality, even cheating on school work and tests, are no longer sin. However, racism.... right up there with devil worship.. no, actually devil worship needs to be tolerated... racism is pretty much the top of the "sin" list.

This is why so much heat is being generated by your words here.

I cannot say that your words are sinful. They are your sincerely held beliefs and you hold them because not because you hate white people, but because you see the negative issues that the racism that still exists in this world has, and you'd rather not deal with it. Since your views are not based upon hate (if you were a white North American and said them, everyone would brand you a hater no matter what) then I don't think any sin is involved.

I don't believe in race. Race simply doesn't exist... there are variations of skin color in humans based upon macro-evolution and genetics... but we are all one race... the human one.

However, that's easy for me to say sitting on my mountain side in Idaho where people are pretty live and let live. As late as the 1960's it was actually illegal for blacks to be in our county after sunset, but the Civil Rights act put a stop to that. Now, racism isn't a problem here, except for a very few individuals and most of them elderly. A few years ago, our weekly newspaper had a picture of the white homecoming queen and the black homecoming king hugging... and it was all cool, nobody wrote to the paper, no kids were pulled from the school... My son is black and goes to an overwhelmingly white school... and has no problem.

So, it's easy for me to say "there is no such thing as race" when we don't deal with racism on a daily basis. For people who live in areas where racism is deeply entrenched and the children of mixed race couples very well may ostracized by society for it... I can see where Abide's opinion has some merit. It's a sad commentary on the state of affairs in Barbados... and it's certainly not limited to Barbados... but it's realistic.

 

[AlexBC]

Mister man, I have said what I have said. Many people opposed Mr. Obama not because of his political views but because of his ethnicity. You know that and I know that. The fact is that there are people who are dishonest, deceitful and filled with hyprocrisy. I have no axe to grind. No where in my comments did I say that people should be separate. Don't try to put words in my mouth or twist my statements. I made a comment concerning how I FEEL PERSONALLY about interracial marriage...In other words this is my opinion, you do not have to agree, that is what freedom is all about. You can call me narrowminded...but that is how I see it. Do you want me to tow the line that you are advocating. As I have said before, you have your opinions and I have mine...

You sit and hide behind your computer, but the real you can be seen from what you say. Are you angry at me because I DARE make a statement that you find offensive. Of all the posts that I have made, why is this one the only one you can respond to. I don't have to be defensive. I have said my piece and as I have said before I don't have to apologise to you. You believe what you believe and I have no problem with it. I believe what I believe so let it be. Who are you to tell me what to believe. I am not a racist. End of story. Have a great day. I am done.

So, could you tell me what real me is?

Am I angry because you dare make a statement I find offensive? Well, that's usually how things work.

I only responded to this post because, well, I don't think i've been aware of other posts from you.

I'm also not telling you what to think. I don't care who you date but when you suggest that there should be no interracial marriage BECAUSE racism exists, I have to challenge that opinion. It's seperate from what I think YOU should do.

 

[Gordon]

This reminds me of that stupid show what would you do? I remember seeing one on a young black and white couple. Then they had an actor confront the couple (also actors) and tell the white girl she shouldn't be with the black. They then interview a group of elderly white people about it as though they had a responsibility to speak out against this actor. Instead the elderly group says they agree people should stick to their own race. I just cringe knowing the majority of people my age and younger are judging them for their "racist" attitude.

What people who are outraged by such things fail to see is one day things that are acceptable to them will some day outrage younger people. There may come a day when a rich man living a life of opulence is looked down on because there are other people starving. It certainly is not looked down on today it is celebrated. Maybe this will never happen but there are other things like capitol punishment and abortion that may one day be gone. Younger people will wonder how older people could tolerate such evil.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Marriage is an entirely VOLUNTARY relationship. Having a particular desire or preference in whom you marry is not racist (as to it's negative connotation). Thinking others should agree with your opinion to marry within their own race, but still give them the complete freedom to marry as they want is not racist.

This is not difficult to understand and accept.