Is Allah of Islam the same as the God of the Bible?

[Gary]

IS ALLAH THE GOD OF THE BIBLE?

"This study examines the crucial question that needs to be addressed which is whether the God presented in the Quran is indeed the same God revealed in the Holy Bible. The Quran alleges that the God of Islam, Allah, is indeed the God of Abraham and hence the God of Scripture, Yahweh Elohim. But is this the case?

• "Are we to assume that just because the Quran states that Allah is Yahweh of the Bible that both Jews and Christians are obligated to believe this to be true? Or do we examine the nature and attributes of Allah in order to compare them with the biblical portrait of Yahweh to find if this is the case?

"This process of examination is essential since our objective is to discover the true nature of God, a process whose outcome entails eternal consequences in regards to man's future destiny in the afterlife. After all, if Allah is the God of Abraham then Jews and Christians are wrong for not embracing Islam. But if Allah is not Yahweh, then Muslims are not worshiping the same God only with a different name.

"We will examine certain qualities of Allah as stated in the Quran and briefly compare them to Yahweh and see where the evidence leads us. The reason why we are comparing Allah to Yahweh as opposed to contrasting Yahweh to the quranic portrait of Allah, using the Quran as the standard, is due to the fact that it is Islam that claims to worship the same God of the Holy Bible. Thus, the burden of proof rests upon the Muslims to defend this contention since they believe Allah is the same as Yahweh.

Read more: http://www.answering-islam.org/Shamoun/god.htm

Conclusion: No.

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[evanman]

Jesus told His Jewish enemies that their God was the devil!

 

[SyntaxVorlon]

You're all Abrahamic, stand fast with your Muslim brothers.

 

[Gary]

Syntax: You're all Abrahamic, stand fast with your Muslim brothers.

Gary: Tell me about Abraham/Abram in the Quran. Are they the same? All the stories the same? Same names? Any differences at all?

By the way, did you even read the article in the link?

:-? :-?

 

[Joeri]

You're all Abrahamic, stand fast with your Muslim brothers.

yeah, and the arabs are descendants of ismael, while god blessed the children of isaac.

 

[Heidi]

As I posted in another thread, Mohammed has freely admitted that allah came from his imagination. Mohammed HIMSELF admitted that allah is an imaginary God! That's called an hallucination. An hallucination is a belief that is not supported anywhere in reality except from someone's imagination. I'm reading a book on the history of the middle ages where the author says that mohammed himself admitted that he didn't know whether his beliefs came from God or the devil. That fits perfectly with the confusion inside a person who's hallucinating.

 

[Joeri]

As I posted in another thread, Mohammed has freely admitted that allah came from his imagination. Mohammed HIMSELF admitted that allah is an imaginary God! That's called an hallucination. An hallucination is a belief that is not supported anywhere in reality except from someone's imagination. I'm reading a book on the history of the middle ages where the author says that mohammed himself admitted that he didn't know whether his beliefs came from God or the devil. That fits perfectly with the confusion inside a person who's hallucinating.

wow heidi, do tell me which thread that was, and which post, for this is information i should share with muslims!

 

[Gary]

Here is a whole lot of information you should share with Muslims......

 

[reznwerks]

mohammed

If you read the biography of Mohammed you will discover there is a lot of similarities with Paul. Paul has a vision and Mohammed has a vision. The God of Islam is the same God of the O/T in that he is revered as the creator of all things knows all etc etc etc. Someone on these boards made a statement to the effect of if Christianity was false then how did it spread so rapidly. The same can be said of Islam. Read from the link how Mohammed who was considered at first to be a novelty or soothsayer managed to parlay his beliefs into the fastest growing religion on the face of the planet.
http://www.sacklunch.net/biography/M/Mohammed.html

 

[evanman]

A LOT of similarities? I think not, for Paul had witnesses--who were Mohammed's witnesses?

I see NO similarities between Paul and Mohammed.

 

[Gary]

reznwerks hasn't even got to understand Christianity (he has not even read the whole Bible) now he is trying to tell us about Islam... WITHOUT READING the Quran or the Hadith.

Then he tries to tell us that Paul is like Muhammad. Did Paul lead an army? Did Paul rape women? Did Paul raid caravans? Did Paul have sex with a 6 year-old child? Did Paul have 9-11 wives? Did Paul have sex with concubines?

Poor old reznwerk has so much to learn...

This paper will focus on contrasting the Apostle Paul’s life and teachings with that of Muhammad’s. As we shall shortly demonstrate, the facts will prove that Muhammad was not in the league of the Apostle Paul.

This brief comparison should convincingly demonstrate to our readers that Muhammad doesn’t even come close in comparing to the beloved Apostle Paul, the risen Lord Jesus’ faithful and righteous servant.

READ and LEARN the difference: http://www.answer-islam.org/PaulandMuhammad.html

:-? :-?

 

[reznwerks]

witnesses

A LOT of similarities? I think not, for Paul had witnesses--who were Mohammed's witnesses?

I see NO similarities between Paul and Mohammed.

What witnesses? No one can see anothers visions!

 

[reznwerks]

paul

reznwerks hasn't even got to understand Christianity (he has not even read the whole Bible) now he is trying to tell us about Islam... WITHOUT READING the Quran or the Hadith.

Then he tries to tell us that Paul is like Muhammad. Did Paul lead an army? Did Paul rape women? Did Paul raid caravans? Did Paul have sex with a 6 year-old child? Did Paul have 9-11 wives? Did Paul have sex with concubines?

Poor old reznwerk has so much to learn...

This paper will focus on contrasting the Apostle Paul’s life and teachings with that of Muhammad’s. As we shall shortly demonstrate, the facts will prove that Muhammad was not in the league of the Apostle Paul.

[quote:36e38]This brief comparison should convincingly demonstrate to our readers that Muhammad doesn’t even come close in comparing to the beloved Apostle Paul, the risen Lord Jesus’ faithful and righteous servant.

READ and LEARN the difference: http://www.answer-islam.org/PaulandMuhammad.html

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What Paul did was hijack Christianity if not create it. Pauls claim to fame was a vision that he claimed to have. From this Paul went on to create and rewrite Christianity. Mohammed had the same claim in the he said the angel Gabriel visited him. From this Mohammed went on to create Islam.

 

[evanman]

Paul was with a group of others when he had the experience that changed his life. Others were there. Others testified to his being struck blind.

Who was with Mohammed when he "met Gabriel"?

 

[Quath]

Paul was with a group of others when he had the experience that changed his life. Others were there. Others testified to his being struck blind.

Who was with Mohammed when he "met Gabriel"?

The Quran was suppose to be the proof of his visit by the angel. He was suppose to be illiterare and thus the book had to be a miracle to be written by an illiterate man. (I doubt he was illiterate but probably belonged to an illiterate culture.)

It is easy to find people that talk to gods. Just look at David Koresh. He had many followers that believed him. Is that much different from Muhammad or Paul having followers that believe their divine dreams?

Quath

 

[reznwerks]

read

Paul was with a group of others when he had the experience that changed his life. Others were there. Others testified to his being struck blind.

Who was with Mohammed when he "met Gabriel"?

Read my post on "Would you buy a ...."

 

[Gary]

rez: "...What Paul did was hijack Christianity if not create it. Pauls claim to fame was a vision that he claimed to have. From this Paul went on to create and rewrite Christianity."

Gary: What utter rubbish. I will list over 100 items (with proof from Scripture) which show Jesus and Paul taught the same message. OK? Here are the first 20.

1. Jesus is the Messiah or Christ
JESUS: He said to them, "But who do you say that I am?" Simon Peter answered, "You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God". And Jesus answered him, "Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father in heaven". (Matthew 16:15-17)
PAUL: Paul was occupied with proclaiming the word, testifying to the Jews that the Messiah was Jesus. (Acts 18:5)

2. Jesus is the Son of God
JESUS: All of them asked, "Are you, then, the Son of God?" He said to them, "You say that I am". Then they said, "What further testimony do we need? We have heard it ourselves from his own lips!" (Luke 22:70-71)
PAUL: Immediately he began to proclaim Jesus in the synagogues, saying, "He is the Son of God". (Acts 9:20)

3. Jesus is Lord
JESUS: You call me Teacher and Lord - and you are right, for that is what I am. (John 13:13)
PAUL: There is... one Lord, Jesus Christ. (1 Corinthians 8:6)

4. Jesus is God
JESUS: Thomas answered him, "My Lord and my God!" Jesus said to him, "Have you believed because you have seen me? Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have come to believe". (John 20:28-29)
PAUL: From them, according to the flesh, comes the Messiah, who is over all, God blessed forever. (Romans 9:5)

5. Jesus is Human
JESUS: Jesus said to them, "If you were Abraham's children, you would be doing what Abraham did, but now you are trying to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God". (John 8:39-40)
PAUL: There is also one mediator between God and humankind, Christ Jesus, himself human. (1 Timothy 2:5)

6. Jesus was born of a woman
JESUS: The angel said to her, "Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favour with God. And now, you will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you will name him Jesus. He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Most High (Luke 1:30-32)
PAUL: When the fullness of time had come, God sent his Son, born of a woman. (Galatians 4:4)

7. God sent Jesus
JESUS: I cam from God and now I am here. I did not come on my own, but he sent me. (John 8:42)
PAUL: For God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do: by sending his own Son. (Romans 8:3)

8. Jesus is the way to the Father
JESUS: I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. (John 14:6)
PAUL: Through him both of us have access in one Spirit to the Father. (Ephesians 2:18)

9. Jesus is Light
JESUS: Jesus spoke to them, saying, "I am the light of the world". (John 8:12)
PAUL: What fellowship is there between light and darkness? What agreement does Christ have with Beliar? (2 Corinthians 6:14-15)

10. Jesus is life
JESUS: I am the way, and the truth, and the life. (John 14:6)
PAUL: When Christ who is your life is revealed. (Colossians 3:4)

11. Jesus is the beginning
JESUS: I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end. (Revelation 22:13)
PAUL: He is the beginning. (Colossians 1:18)

12. Jesus is first
JESUS: I am the first and the last, and the living one. I was dead, and see, I am alive for ever and ever. (Revelation 1:17-18)
PAUL: He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that he might come to have first place in everything. (Colossians 1:18)

13. Jesus is a descendent of David
JESUS: The angel said to her, "Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favour with God. And now, you will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you will name him Jesus. He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Most High, and the Lord God will give to him the throne of his ancestor David. (Luke 1:30-32)
PAUL: Remember Jesus Christ, raised from the dead, a descendant of David. (2 Timothy 2:8)

14. Jesus is the Bridegroom
JESUS: Now John's disciples and the Pharisees were fasting; and people came and said to him, "Why do John's disciples and the disciples of the Pharisees fast, but your disciples do not fast?" Jesus said to them, "The wedding-guests cannot fast while the bridegroom is with them, can they? As long as they have the bridegroom with them, they cannot fast". (Mark 2:18-19)
PAUL: I promised you in marriage to one husband, to present you as a chaste virgin to Christ. (2 Corinthians 11:2)

15. Jesus is King
JESUS: Jesus answered, "My kingdom is not from this world. If my kingdom were from this world, my followers would be fighting to keep me from being handed over to the Jews. But as it is, my kingdom is not from here". Pilate asked him, "So you are a king?" Jesus answered, "You say that I am a king". (John 18:36-37)
PAUL: No fornicator or impure person, or one who is greedy (that is, an idolater), has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ. (Ephesians 5:5)

16. Jesus descended from heaven
JESUS: No one has ascended into heaven except the one who descended from heaven, the Son of Man. (John 3:13)
PAUL: When it says, "He ascended", what does it mean but that he had also descended into the lower parts of the earth? (Ephesians 4:9)

17. Jesus is Saviour
JESUS: God did not send the Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. (John 3:17)
PAUL: The saying is sure and worthy of full acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners. (1 Timothy 1:15)

18. Jesus is the truth
JESUS: I am the way, and the truth, and the life. (John 14:6)
PAUL: Surely you have heard about him and were taught in him, as truth is in Jesus. (Ephesians 4:21)

19. Jesus was poor
JESUS: Jesus said to him, "Foxes have holes, and birds of the air have nests; but the Son of Man has nowhere to lay his head". (Matthew 8:20)
PAUL: You know the generous act of our Lord Jesus Christ, that though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, so that by his poverty you might become rich. (2 Corinthians 8:9)

20. The glory of God shines in the face of Jesus
JESUS: Six days later, Jesus took with him Peter and James and his brother John and led them up a high mountain, by themselves. And he was transfigured before them, and his face shone like the sun, and his clothes became dazzling white. (Matthew 17:1-2)
PAUL: It is the God who said, "Let light shine out of darkness", who has shone in our hearts to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ. (2 Corinthians 4:6)

More to follow....

Source: Jesus and Paul

 

[Gary]

Jesus and Paul

21. Jesus instituted the Lord's Supper
JESUS: While they were eating, he took a loaf of bread, and after blessing it he broke it, gave it to them, and said, "Take; this is my body". Then he took a cup, and after giving thanks he gave it to them, and all of them drank from it. He said to them, "This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many". (Mark 14:22-24)
PAUL: I received from the Lord what I also handed on to you, that the Lord Jesus on the night when he was betrayed took a loaf of bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and said, "This is my body that is for you. Do this in remembrance of me." In the same way he took the cup also, after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood. Do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me". (1 Corinthians 11:23-25)

22. Jesus was betrayed
JESUS: Jesus said, "Truly I tell you, one of you will betray me; one who is eating with me... The Son of Man goes as it is written of him, but woe to that one by whom the Son of Man is betrayed!" (Mark 14:18, 21)
PAUL: I received from the Lord what I also handed on to you, that the Lord Jesus on the night when he was betrayed. (1 Corinthians 11:23)

23. Jesus testified before Pontius Pilate
JESUS: Then Pilate entered the headquarters again, summoned Jesus, and asked him, "Are you the King of the Jews?" Jesus answered, "Do you ask this on your own, or did others tell you about me?" Pilate replied, "I am not a Jew, am I? Your own nation and the chief priests have handed you over to me. What have you done?" Jesus answered, "My kingdom is not from this world. If my kingdom were from this world, my followers would be fighting to keep me from being handed over to the Jews. But as it is, my kingdom is not from here". Pilate asked him, "So you are a king?" Jesus answered, "You say that I am a king. For this I was born, and for this I came into the world, to testify to the truth. Everyone who belongs to the truth listens to my voice". (John 18:33-37)
PAUL: In the presence of God, who gives life to all things, and of Christ Jesus, who in his testimony before Pontius Pilate made the good confession. (1 Timothy 6:13)

24. Jesus suffered
JESUS: Jesus began to show his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and undergo great suffering. (Matthew 16:21)
PAUL: Just as the sufferings of Christ are abundant for us. (2 Corinthians 1:5)

25. Jesus died
JESUS: Then Jesus cried out and breathed his last. (Mark 15:37)
PAUL: We believe that Jesus died. (1 Thessalonians 4:14)

26. Jesus was buried
JESUS: Joseph brought a linen cloth, and taking down the body, wrapped it in the linen cloth, and laid it in a tomb that had been hewn out of the rock. He then rolled a stone against the door of the tomb. (Mark 15:46)
PAUL: We have been buried with him by baptism. (Romans 6:4)

27. Jesus rose from the dead on the third day
JESUS: Jesus answered them, "Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up"... He was speaking of the temple of his body. After he was raised from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this. (John 2:19-22)
PAUL: Christ did for our sins in accordance with the scriptures, and that he was buried, and that he was raised on the third day. (1 Corinthians 15:3-4)

28. Jesus ascended
JESUS: While he was blessing them, he withdrew from them and was carried up into heaven. (Luke 24:51)
PAUL: He who descended is the same one who ascended far above all the heavens. (Ephesians 4:10)

29. Jesus is seated at the right hand of the Father
JESUS: The high priest asked him, "Are you the Messiah, the Son of the Blessed One?" Jesus said, "I am; and 'you will see the Son of Man seated at the right hand of the Power'". (Mark 14:61-62)
PAUL: God put this power to work in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand. (Ephesians 1:20)

30. Jesus will come again
JESUS: Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see "the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven" with power and great glory. (Matthew 24:30)
PAUL: The Lord himself, with a cry of command, with the archangel's call and with the sound of God's trumpet, will descend from heaven, and the dead in Christ will rise first. (1 Thessalonians 4:16)

31. Jesus died for the sheep
JESUS: I lay down my life for the sheep. (John 10:15)
PAUL: Keep watch over yourselves and over all the flock, of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God that he obtained with the blood of his own Son. (Acts 20:28)

32. Jesus died for love of us
JESUS: This is my commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you. No one has greater love than this, to lay down one's life for one's friends. (John 15:12-13)
PAUL: The life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. (Galatians 2:20)

33. Jesus' death demonstrates God's love
JESUS: God so loved the world that he gave his only Son. (John 3:16)
PAUL: God proves his love for us in that while we still were sinners Christ died for us. (Romans 5:8)

34. Jesus gave himself as a ransom
JESUS: The Son of Man came not to be served but to serve, and to give his life a ransom for many. (Matthew 20:28)
PAUL: There is also one mediator between God and humankind, Christ Jesus, himself human, who gave himself a ransom for all. (1 Timothy 2:5-6)

35. Those who crucified Jesus were ignorant and acted in ignorance
JESUS: Jesus said, "Father, forgive them; for they do not know what they are doing". (Luke 23:34)
PAUL: We speak God's wisdom, secret and hidden, which God decreed before the ages for our glory. None of the rulers of this age understood this; for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. (1 Corinthians 2:7-8)

36. Jesus' suffering, death and resurrection in accordance with the Scriptures
JESUS: Then he said to them, "These are my words that I spoke to you while I was still with you - that everything written about me in the law of Moses, the prophets, and the psalms must be fulfilled". Then he opened their minds to understand the scriptures, and he said to them, "Thus it is written, that the Messiah is to suffer and to rise from the dead on the third day". (Luke 24:44-46)
PAUL: Christ did for our sins in accordance with the scriptures, and that he was buried, and that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the scriptures. (1 Corinthians 15:3-4)

37. Jesus appeared to Simon Peter (also known as Cephas) and the other apostles after his resurrection
JESUS: That same hour they got up and returned to Jerusalem; and they found the eleven and their companions gathered together. They were saying, "The Lord has risen indeed, and he has appeared to Simon!" Then they told what had happened on the road, and how he had been made known to them in the breaking of the bread. While they were talking about this, Jesus himself stood among them and said to them, "Peace be with you". (Luke 24:33-36)
PAUL: He was raised on the third day in accordance with the scriptures, and that he appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve. (1 Corinthians 15:4-5)

38. The day of the Lord will be like a thief in the night
JESUS: Keep awake therefore, for you do not know on what day your Lord is coming. But understand this: if the owner of the house had known in what part of the night the thief was coming, he would have stayed awake and would not have let his house be broken into. Therefore you also must be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an unexpected hour. (Matthew 24:42-44)
PAUL: You yourselves know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night... But you, beloved, are not in the darkness, for that day to surprise you like a thief. (1 Thessalonians 5:2-4)

39. Believers must remain awake and not let drunkenness distract them from the coming of Jesus
JESUS: Keep awake therefore, for you do not know on what day your Lord is coming... Therefore you also must be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an unexpected hour... But if that wicked slave says to himself, "My master is delayed", and he begins to beat his fellow-slaves, and eats and drinks with drunkards, the master of that slave will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour that he does not know. (Matthew 24:42-44, Matthew 24:48-50)
PAUL: But you, beloved, are not in the darkness, for that day to surprise you like a thief... Let us not fall asleep as others do, but let us keep awake and be sober. (1 Thessalonians 5:4-6)

40. Labour pains mentioned when talking about the day of the Lord
JESUS: Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be famines and earthquakes in various places: all this is but the beginning of the birth pangs. (Matthew 24:7-8)
PAUL: You yourselves know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. When they say, "There is peace and security", then sudden destruction will come upon them, as labour pains come upon a pregnant woman, and there will be no escape! (1 Thessalonians 5:2-3)

More to follow....

Source: Jesus and Paul

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[Steve]

Absolutely and unequivocally NOT. Alvin was the south Arabian moon deity, married to the sun goddess, and they had three daughters: Allat, al-Uzzah, and Manat. Alvin was one of 360 deities in the Kaaba, and ol' Mo-Man turned him into the supreme god of Islam.

I think ol' Alvin is a DEMON.

 

[evanman]

I thought Alvin was one of the three chipmunks!