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Desire to be a vessel of honor unto the Lord Jesus Christ?
Join For His Glory for a discussion on how
https://christianforums.net/threads/a-vessel-of-honor.110278/
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Taking the time to pray? Christ is the answer in times of need
https://christianforums.net/threads/psalm-70-1-save-me-o-god-lord-help-me-now.108509/
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Depending upon the Holy Spirit for all you do?
Read through the following study by Tenchi for more on this topic
https://christianforums.net/threads/without-the-holy-spirit-we-can-do-nothing.109419/
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How are famous preachers sometimes effected by sin?
Join Sola Scriptura for a discussion on the subject
https://christianforums.net/threads/anointed-preaching-teaching.109331/#post-1912042
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Iconodule
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Allah is the Arabic word for God. In Christian Churches where Arabic is spoken, such as the Coptic (Egyption) Orthdox Church, God is also called Allah. So in a way, Allah is God, just as Greeks may call him Otheos, Hebrews, Yahwah, Jehova, Adonai, or Eliodid depending what part of the Torah they are reading. Every named sounds diffenent in different languages. Like John, in Greek it is Yanni, Italian Gianni, English John, German Johann, Spanish Jose and etc.
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Gary
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Yahweh or Allah
"We are well aware that the name Allah is used by Arab speaking Christians for the God of the Bible. In fact, the root from which the name is derived from, ilah, stems from the ancient Semitic languages, corresponding to the Mesopotamian IL, as well as the Hebrew-Aramaic EL, as in Ishma-el, Immanu-el, Isra-el. These terms were often used to refer to any deity worshiped as a high god, especially the chief deity amongst a pantheon of lesser gods. As such, the Holy Bible uses the term as just one of the many titles for Yahweh, the only true God.
"Yet the problem arises from the fact that Muslims insist that Allah is not a title, but the personal name of the God of Islam. This becomes problematic since according to the Holy Bible the name of the God of Abraham is Yahweh/Jehovah, not Allah:
Source: http://www.answering-islam.org/Shamoun/god.htm
"We are well aware that the name Allah is used by Arab speaking Christians for the God of the Bible. In fact, the root from which the name is derived from, ilah, stems from the ancient Semitic languages, corresponding to the Mesopotamian IL, as well as the Hebrew-Aramaic EL, as in Ishma-el, Immanu-el, Isra-el. These terms were often used to refer to any deity worshiped as a high god, especially the chief deity amongst a pantheon of lesser gods. As such, the Holy Bible uses the term as just one of the many titles for Yahweh, the only true God.
"Yet the problem arises from the fact that Muslims insist that Allah is not a title, but the personal name of the God of Islam. This becomes problematic since according to the Holy Bible the name of the God of Abraham is Yahweh/Jehovah, not Allah:
- God spoke further to Moses and said to him, "I am Yahweh (YHVH) and I appeared to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, as God Almighty; BUT BY MY NAME, YAHWEH , I did not make myself known to them." Exodus 6:2-3
Source: http://www.answering-islam.org/Shamoun/god.htm
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Muhsen
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Gary
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Allah is the author of evil.... --READ MORE, CLICK HERE---
Hence he is not the same as YAHWEH.
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Hence he is not the same as YAHWEH.
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How can the same God spread so many lies? The DEVIL is the father of lies, God is not. As Jesus said; "A house divided against itself cannot stand." God cannot both be for Jesus and against him at the same time. How can Jesus lie about saying he is the Son of God and at the same time be from God? It's impossible because God does not lie! There are so many holes in Islam that all the words fall to the ground!
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Qasim786
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'Mohammed HIMSELF admitted that allah is an imaginary God!'
Can you show me where please!
'I'm reading a book on the history of the middle ages where the author says that mohammed himself admitted that he didn't know whether his beliefs came from God or the devil.'
He was scared initially from the first visitation of Gabriel, as he wasnt quite sure what had happened although he remembered everything that had been uttered. From the great shock of it all, he did specualte in his mind at the start, whetheror not it was indeed an angel that had visited him, but he was strengthened with the assurance of his wife Khatija, who assured him it was no devil. The Message itself also proved that it was not from the devil, but was from God.
What amazes me, is that the people who actually first recognised his prophethood were of christian origin. Bahira the christian monk knew that this indeed was the prophet thety had been waiting for. A lot of christians were happy to accept Islam when it came. This proves that they were actually waiting for a prophet and recognised and accepted him when he came.
Can you show me where please!
'I'm reading a book on the history of the middle ages where the author says that mohammed himself admitted that he didn't know whether his beliefs came from God or the devil.'
He was scared initially from the first visitation of Gabriel, as he wasnt quite sure what had happened although he remembered everything that had been uttered. From the great shock of it all, he did specualte in his mind at the start, whetheror not it was indeed an angel that had visited him, but he was strengthened with the assurance of his wife Khatija, who assured him it was no devil. The Message itself also proved that it was not from the devil, but was from God.
What amazes me, is that the people who actually first recognised his prophethood were of christian origin. Bahira the christian monk knew that this indeed was the prophet thety had been waiting for. A lot of christians were happy to accept Islam when it came. This proves that they were actually waiting for a prophet and recognised and accepted him when he came.
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Qasim786
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'Bible the name of the God of Abraham is Yahweh/Jehovah, not Allah: '
The God that Jesus prayed to was 'Elah'. That is the hewbrew word for God. However since Jesus spoke Aramaic, the word thier is 'Allaha'. Both are pronounced almost identically to Allah. When he was 'allegedly' on the cross he shouted Ela Ela, Lama sabachtani. 'Ela' is 'Allah'. See the resemblence. And yet you people go on about Allah is the moon God and all that rubbish. Tell that to Jesus and see the response you get!
The God that Jesus prayed to was 'Elah'. That is the hewbrew word for God. However since Jesus spoke Aramaic, the word thier is 'Allaha'. Both are pronounced almost identically to Allah. When he was 'allegedly' on the cross he shouted Ela Ela, Lama sabachtani. 'Ela' is 'Allah'. See the resemblence. And yet you people go on about Allah is the moon God and all that rubbish. Tell that to Jesus and see the response you get!
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Gary
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Eli and Eloi
(John F. MacArthur, Jr., The MacArthur Study Bible)
This has got nothing to do with Muhammad's god called allah.
“Eli†is Hebrew, the rest Aramaic. This cry is a fulfillment of Psalm 22:1, one of many striking parallels between that psalm and the specific events of the crucifixion. Christ at that moment was experiencing the abandonment and despair that resulted from the outpouring of divine wrath on Him as sin-bearer.Matthew said:
These are the Aramaic words. Jesus felt keenly His abandonment by the Father, resulting from God’s wrath being poured out on Him as the substitute for sinners.Mark said:
(John F. MacArthur, Jr., The MacArthur Study Bible)
This has got nothing to do with Muhammad's god called allah.
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huj05
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huj05 tell me, why the OT, the KJV, and all the diffrent versions of the bible are diffrent. Tell me, why god cant have 1 name. Tell me why with diffrent versions, the stories change. are there any diffrences?[/quote]
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Gary
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Syntax: You're all Abrahamic, stand fast with your Muslim brothers.
Gary: Tell me about Abraham/Abram in the Quran. Are they the same? All the stories the same? Same names? Any differences at all?
By the way, did you even read the article in the link?
http://www.answering-islam.org/Shamoun/god.htm
huj05 tell me, why the OT, the KJV, and all the diffrent versions of the bible are diffrent. Tell me, why god cant have 1 name. Tell me why with diffrent versions, the stories change. are there any diffrences?
Gary: Different translations would mean that a particular English translation is different. If you can read and understand Greek and Hebrew, please read the OT and the NT before they are translated!
Now back to the topic.... are the stories about Abraham/Abram in the Quran the same as those in the Bible?
Gary: Tell me about Abraham/Abram in the Quran. Are they the same? All the stories the same? Same names? Any differences at all?
By the way, did you even read the article in the link?
http://www.answering-islam.org/Shamoun/god.htm
huj05 tell me, why the OT, the KJV, and all the diffrent versions of the bible are diffrent. Tell me, why god cant have 1 name. Tell me why with diffrent versions, the stories change. are there any diffrences?
Gary: Different translations would mean that a particular English translation is different. If you can read and understand Greek and Hebrew, please read the OT and the NT before they are translated!
Now back to the topic.... are the stories about Abraham/Abram in the Quran the same as those in the Bible?
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Qasim786
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"This has got nothing to do with Muhammad's god called allah."
Oh Really...
i think it proves that Jesus prayed to the same God that Muslims, and all the prophets worshipped. One may ask, do christians pray to the God that Jesus Prayed to. Do you pray to Eloi or ask him for help or strength. Nope, you pray in the name of Jesus. If you do pray to Eloi, the one and only God, then good for you. But those of course as we can see are obvious differences between us.
Oh Really...
i think it proves that Jesus prayed to the same God that Muslims, and all the prophets worshipped. One may ask, do christians pray to the God that Jesus Prayed to. Do you pray to Eloi or ask him for help or strength. Nope, you pray in the name of Jesus. If you do pray to Eloi, the one and only God, then good for you. But those of course as we can see are obvious differences between us.
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Qasim786
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Gary said in another post
"Take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends...
"O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily God guideth not a people unjust." (Surah 5:51)
In Yusuf Ali's commentary on Quran, he adds this:
"That is, look not to them (Jews and Christians) for help and comfort. They are more likely to combine against you than to help you. And this happened more than once in the lifetime of the Apostle, and in after-ages again and again. He who associates with them (Christians and Jews) and shares their counsels must be counted as one of them...."
Now as this surah/verse is AFTER the verses you quoted, it abrogates the earlier one.
According to the Qur’an itself (Sura 2:106, 13:39 and 16:103) Allah sometimes substitutes a "better" verse or passage for one previously given, thus superceding the first one. "
Qasim said
In Surah 2:106, the verse is most probably given in a general sense, consider yusuf commentary- "If we take a general sense, it means that Gods message from time to time is always the same, but its form may differ according to the needs and exigencies of the time..." and so on.
He does also refer to the fact that some commentators apply it to the verses of the Quran as well, but he makes it clear that this is with regards to progressive revelation i.e when a law is laid down in the Quran gradually and not just in one ayat. The Substitution is more in regards to previous revelations. God subtitutes better revelations through time, to suit the needs of the people of that time. The Quran however is compatible with all times.
13:39 reads as "God doth blot out or confirm what he pleaseth: with him is the mother of the book." The Previous verse (38) was relating the fact that for each period was a book revealed or or a law decreed. So for each age, Gods message is renewed according to Gods wisdom (note 1863)
And 16:103 Is about the Pagans accusing Muhammed of being taught by another man. Not about substitution.
"Take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends...
"O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily God guideth not a people unjust." (Surah 5:51)
In Yusuf Ali's commentary on Quran, he adds this:
"That is, look not to them (Jews and Christians) for help and comfort. They are more likely to combine against you than to help you. And this happened more than once in the lifetime of the Apostle, and in after-ages again and again. He who associates with them (Christians and Jews) and shares their counsels must be counted as one of them...."
Now as this surah/verse is AFTER the verses you quoted, it abrogates the earlier one.
According to the Qur’an itself (Sura 2:106, 13:39 and 16:103) Allah sometimes substitutes a "better" verse or passage for one previously given, thus superceding the first one. "
Qasim said
In Surah 2:106, the verse is most probably given in a general sense, consider yusuf commentary- "If we take a general sense, it means that Gods message from time to time is always the same, but its form may differ according to the needs and exigencies of the time..." and so on.
He does also refer to the fact that some commentators apply it to the verses of the Quran as well, but he makes it clear that this is with regards to progressive revelation i.e when a law is laid down in the Quran gradually and not just in one ayat. The Substitution is more in regards to previous revelations. God subtitutes better revelations through time, to suit the needs of the people of that time. The Quran however is compatible with all times.
13:39 reads as "God doth blot out or confirm what he pleaseth: with him is the mother of the book." The Previous verse (38) was relating the fact that for each period was a book revealed or or a law decreed. So for each age, Gods message is renewed according to Gods wisdom (note 1863)
And 16:103 Is about the Pagans accusing Muhammed of being taught by another man. Not about substitution.
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Gary
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Allah... the author of abrogation (replacing one verse with another)..
Evidence from Islamic sources......
HILALI-KHAN TRANSLATION OF THE QURAN
The following list is taken from Dr. Muhammad Taqi-ud Din Al-Hilali & Dr. Muhammad Muhsin Khan’s The Noble Qur’an – English Translation of the Meanings and Commentary, King Fahd Complex For the Printing of the Holy Qur’an, Madinah, K.S.A. You can find this list pretty much in all the Hilali-Khan’s Quranic translations, irrespective of date or publisher.
1. 3:85 abrogates 2:62 and 5:69
(V. 2:62) This Verse (and Verse 5:69), mentioned in the Qur’an should not be misinterpreted by the reader as mentioned by Ibn Abbas ... (Tafsir At-Tabari) that the provision of this Verse was abrogated by the Verse 3:85 ... (fn. 1, p. 14; see also fn. 1, p. 157)
2. 9:29 abrogates 2:109
(V. 2:109) The provision of this verse has been abrogated by the (V. 9:29). (Tafsir At-Tabari) (fn. 1, p. 21)
3. 2:185 abrogates 184
(V. 2:184) The provision of this Verse has been abrogated by the next Verse: 185, with a few exceptions, i.e. very old person, or pregnancy, etc. (fn. 1, p. 37)
4. 9:36 abrogates 2:217 and 45:14
(V. 2:217) The provision of this Verse has been abrogated by Verse 9:36. Jihad cf., (V. 2:216). (fn. 2, p. 46; see also fn. 1, p. 677)
5. 5:90 abrogates 2:219
(V. 2:219) The provision of this Verse concerning alcoholic drinks and gambling has been abrogated by the Verse 5:90. (fn. 1, p. 47)
6. 4:12 abrogates 2:240
(V. 2:240): The provision of this Verse has been abrogated by Verse (4:12). (fn. 1, p. 53)
7. 24:2 abrogates 4:15-16
(V. 4:15) The provision of this Verse has been abrogated by the Verses of (V. 24:2), ordaining lashing for the unmarried and stoning to death for the married, when four witnesses testify to the crime. (fn. 1, p. 109)
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Recommended Reading
http://answering-islam.org/Index/A/abrogation.html
http://answering-islam.org/Silas/abrogation.htm
http://answering-islam.org/BehindVeil/btv10.html
http://answering-islam.org/Quran/abrogate.html
http://webpages.marshall.edu/~laher1/naskh.html
http://answering-islam.org/Shamoun/god.htm#abrogation
http://answering-islam.org/Responses/Sa ... gatess.htm
http://answering-islam.org/Responses/Sa ... gateav.htm
http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/ab ... erses.html
Evidence from Islamic sources......
HILALI-KHAN TRANSLATION OF THE QURAN
The following list is taken from Dr. Muhammad Taqi-ud Din Al-Hilali & Dr. Muhammad Muhsin Khan’s The Noble Qur’an – English Translation of the Meanings and Commentary, King Fahd Complex For the Printing of the Holy Qur’an, Madinah, K.S.A. You can find this list pretty much in all the Hilali-Khan’s Quranic translations, irrespective of date or publisher.
1. 3:85 abrogates 2:62 and 5:69
(V. 2:62) This Verse (and Verse 5:69), mentioned in the Qur’an should not be misinterpreted by the reader as mentioned by Ibn Abbas ... (Tafsir At-Tabari) that the provision of this Verse was abrogated by the Verse 3:85 ... (fn. 1, p. 14; see also fn. 1, p. 157)
2. 9:29 abrogates 2:109
(V. 2:109) The provision of this verse has been abrogated by the (V. 9:29). (Tafsir At-Tabari) (fn. 1, p. 21)
3. 2:185 abrogates 184
(V. 2:184) The provision of this Verse has been abrogated by the next Verse: 185, with a few exceptions, i.e. very old person, or pregnancy, etc. (fn. 1, p. 37)
4. 9:36 abrogates 2:217 and 45:14
(V. 2:217) The provision of this Verse has been abrogated by Verse 9:36. Jihad cf., (V. 2:216). (fn. 2, p. 46; see also fn. 1, p. 677)
5. 5:90 abrogates 2:219
(V. 2:219) The provision of this Verse concerning alcoholic drinks and gambling has been abrogated by the Verse 5:90. (fn. 1, p. 47)
6. 4:12 abrogates 2:240
(V. 2:240): The provision of this Verse has been abrogated by Verse (4:12). (fn. 1, p. 53)
7. 24:2 abrogates 4:15-16
(V. 4:15) The provision of this Verse has been abrogated by the Verses of (V. 24:2), ordaining lashing for the unmarried and stoning to death for the married, when four witnesses testify to the crime. (fn. 1, p. 109)
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Recommended Reading
http://answering-islam.org/Index/A/abrogation.html
http://answering-islam.org/Silas/abrogation.htm
http://answering-islam.org/BehindVeil/btv10.html
http://answering-islam.org/Quran/abrogate.html
http://webpages.marshall.edu/~laher1/naskh.html
http://answering-islam.org/Shamoun/god.htm#abrogation
http://answering-islam.org/Responses/Sa ... gatess.htm
http://answering-islam.org/Responses/Sa ... gateav.htm
http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/ab ... erses.html
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evanman
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Steve, what's the Polish phrase?