Is Atheism a myth?

[Soma-Sight]

Looking around at the complexity and amazing nature of the universe it would appear that at the very least a transcendental power has to exist in some form....

Also we have learned through modern scientific methods that man is "hard wired" to believe in a "God type concept" at least in a generic sense....

Is Atheism a myth?

Are Atheists or more specifically..... those that are strict materialists and disbelieve in anything other than the five senses all liars?

I think so.

I think many if not all atheists simply find modern religious explanations inadequate for there personal understanding of the world.

So instead of adhering to something they cannot fully grasp.....

They make it easy on themselves and totally discredit ALL religious/philisphical arguments in favor of a "God".

That way they dont have to think about it anymore.

 

[duncdawg]

If there was no God, there would be no atheists.

 

[Heidi]

Looking around at the complexity and amazing nature of the universe it would appear that at the very least a transcendental power has to exist in some form....

Also we have learned through modern scientific methods that man is "hard wired" to believe in a "God type concept" at least in a generic sense....

Is Atheism a myth?

Are Atheists or more specifically..... those that are strict materialists and disbelieve in anything other than the five senses all liars?

I think so.

I think many if not all atheists simply find modern religious explanations inadequate for there personal understanding of the world.

So instead of adhering to something they cannot fully grasp.....

They make it easy on themselves and totally discredit ALL religious/philisphical arguments in favor of a "God".

That way they dont have to think about it anymore.

Absolutely. Satan is the father of all lies. When I was born again of the Holy Spirit, I realized that what I had thought was the truth was a lie and what I had thought was a lie is the truth. Uneblievers believe that the fallible human being has the truth, and that is an oxymoron because infallibile truth cannot come from fallibility.

 

[Solo]

If there was no God, there would be no atheists.

:D :D :D :D Exactly!

 

[peace4all]

If there was no God, there probably would be no or little War. Little or no racism / prejudice. anywhere.

(i am not saying that christians are the onyl religion that has used religion to cause problems, Look at the middle east atm, and you will see I do not mean christians alone at all)

There may be a "God" but in the sense of the Bible, the Koran, or other writings, no.

 

[Soma-Sight]

There may be a "God" but in the sense of the Bible, the Koran, or other writings, no.

That is my point exactly in regards to Atheists!

 

[ArtGuy]

I know it's tempting to believe that every single person on the Earth secretly agrees with us and just doesn't want to admit it, but that's a pretty dismissive notion. The truth is that some people just don't believe in God. They fail to see his glory and understand his love. They're not petty or willful or stupid, they just don't see it. Trying to tell atheists that they're just lying certainly isn't going to do anyone any favors.

That said, this:

If there was no God, there probably would be no or little War. Little or no racism / prejudice. anywhere.

is nonsense on stilts. The vast majority of major conflicts in the last century alone had absolutely nothing to do with religion. Hell, Soviet- and Chinese-communism actively forced atheism on people, because they felt it would make it easier to control them. War and violence and racism and prejudice and all of man's other ills stem from greed, ignorance, or lust for power. Nice people don't suddenly do horrid things because they became afflicted with God. Bad people warp religion to justify to themselves all of the bad things they already want to do.

 

[peace4all]

Yes, I do believe it is never the "Intention" of religion to cause war, People just bend religion to suit their needs/wants.

Hitler abused christianity at first, to promote death to Jews, Because they were jewish.
The americas used the Bible to promote slavery, and not let women vote, Solely because white males at the time wanted the power.
THe crusades wanted to take back the holy land, warping the bible into a book telling people to murder eachother.
The genocide commited by Saddam was due to the fact they were not his religion

The list goes on and on and on

 

[Solo]

Yes, I do believe it is never the "Intention" of religion to cause war, People just bend religion to suit their needs/wants.

Hitler abused christianity at first, to promote death to Jews, Because they were jewish.
The americas used the Bible to promote slavery, and not let women vote, Solely because white males at the time wanted the power.
THe crusades wanted to take back the holy land, warping the bible into a book telling people to murder eachother.
The genocide commited by Saddam was due to the fact they were not his religion

The list goes on and on and on

There is another made up atheist story on Christianity. I remember that you like to be called on the times when you do this so that you can apologize for such outrageous claims.

 

[Scott]

Is Atheism a myth?

Yes. I do not think any atheist is truly convinced that there is no God despite what they say. Atheism isn't a faith, its supposed to be an absolute. But its actually absolutely unsupported and inconclusive.

I'd like to also point out that things that were permitted at times in the past were not necessarily ok. Jesus gives one example in Matthew 19:8. Point being just because things happened as they did, that doesn't necessarily mean that was how God intended them.

 

[peace4all]

Yes, I do believe it is never the "Intention" of religion to cause war, People just bend religion to suit their needs/wants.

Hitler abused christianity at first, to promote death to Jews, Because they were jewish.
The americas used the Bible to promote slavery, and not let women vote, Solely because white males at the time wanted the power.
THe crusades wanted to take back the holy land, warping the bible into a book telling people to murder eachother.
The genocide commited by Saddam was due to the fact they were not his religion

The list goes on and on and on

There is another made up atheist story on Christianity. I remember that you like to be called on the times when you do this so that you can apologize for such outrageous claims.

Solo, I am confused, WHat did I make up this time? Are you denying that sadam's diffrence in religion helped motiviate him to gas kurds?
DO you deny that hitler killed millions of Jews?
do you deny the crusades?

I mean cmon, the native americans fought eachother over diffrences in religion. Ethnic cleansing happens all over the world, and your religion is one of the biggest parts of your ethnicity.

 

[Gary]

Yes, I do believe it is never the "Intention" of religion to cause war, People just bend religion to suit their needs/wants.

Hitler abused christianity at first, to promote death to Jews, Because they were jewish.
The americas used the Bible to promote slavery, and not let women vote, Solely because white males at the time wanted the power.
THe crusades wanted to take back the holy land, warping the bible into a book telling people to murder eachother.
The genocide commited by Saddam was due to the fact they were not his religion

The list goes on and on and on

How one-sided!!

Your atheist "friends" have started more wars and killed more people than ALL the religious wars put together. As a proportion of wars, non-religious wars FAR outweigh religious wars.

http://www.christianforums.net/viewtopi ... 414#244414

or follow the links and learn:

9 million died in the Russian Civil War (1917-22), 20 million died in the Soviet Union under Stalin's regime (1924-53), 2.5 million were killed in the Chinese Civil War (1945-49), 40 million died under Mao Zedong's regime, People's Republic of China (1949-1975)....

http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat1.htm

Your atheist friends sure have been responsible for a lot of deaths!!

:o

Of the 22 worst episodes of mass killing, maybe only 4 were primarily religious....

http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/war-faq.htm#religion

22 worst: http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat0.htm#20worst

:-?

 

[peace4all]

62,000,000 - World War II (1937–1945)
20,000,000–50,000,000 - Taiping Rebellion (1851–1864)
2,000,000–4,000,000 - French Wars of Religion (1562–1598)
1,500,000–2,000,000 - Afghanistan (1979–2001)

and it goes on, and on, and on.

I agree, there were many a war that was caused by greed solely, Or want for land, important waterways, etc. Im not counting any of those at all.

 

[Gary]

62,000,000 - World War II (1937–1945)

Great point.... WWII was NOT a religious war. In fact, if anything, another of your atheist "friends", an infamous atheist called Friedrich Nietzsche had a lot to do with Hitler's "superman" race idealogy --- ever heard of it? Go read about it. Do a Google search then read and learn about Friedrich Nietzsche's influence on Hitler's thinking which is documented in Mein Kampf.

:o :o

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And what about Hitler's hatred of the Jews? Was that based on religion or race?

He (Hitler) was convinced that it was a Jewish professor that had rejected his art work; he became convinced that a Jewish doctor had been responsible for his mother’s death; he cleared the snow-bound paths of beautiful town houses in Vienna where rich people lived and he became convinced that only Jews lived in these homes. By 1910, his mind had become warped and his hatred of the Jews - known as anti-Semitism - had become set.

Hitler called his five years in Vienna "five years of hardship and misery". In his book called "Mein Kampf", Hitler made it clear that his time in Vienna was entirely the fault of the Jews - "I began to hate them".

http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/adolf_hitler.htm

The war (WW1) ended disastrously for Hitler. In 1918, he was still convinced that Germany was winning the war - along with many other Germans. In October 1918, just one month before the end of the war, Hitler was blinded by a gas attack at Ypres. While he was recovering in hospital, Germany surrendered. Hitler was devastated. By his own admission, he cried for hours on end and felt nothing but anger and humiliation.

By the time he left hospital with his eyesight restored he had convinced himself that the Jews had been responsible for Germany’s defeat. He believed that Germany would never have surrendered normally and that the nation had been "stabbed in the back" by the Jews.

http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/adolf_hitler.htm

:-? :-?

 

[peace4all]

I fail to see how someoen dedicated to killing Jews (people of jewish faith) and starting a war, to kill Jews, has nothing to do with religion.

Yet, when atheist rulers, Started killing christians, Because they were christian, that is?

 

[Gary]

I fail to see how someoen dedicated to killing Jews (people of jewish faith) and starting a war, to kill Jews, has nothing to do with religion.

I have already explained to you why Hitler hated Jews.... it is not their RELIGION, it was their RACE. Have you never read anything about Friedrich Nietzsche before? Besides, Hitler did not start WW2 with the sole intention of killing Jews!! That is very nieve.

Yet, when atheist rulers, Started killing christians, Because they were christian, that is?

Not the point. Atheist rulers have killed because of all sorts of reasons.

You have tried to prove that WW2 was about religion. It was not.

You have claimed that Christianity and wars fought over religion are the cause of most wars. I have shown that assumption to be invalid. In fact, atheists rulers have (by far) killed more HUMANS (forget their religion) than any war fought over religion or because of religious differences.

 

[Gary]

Back to the thread....

Maybe the question should be:

Does God Believe in Atheists?

Great book!! peace4, God DOES believe in you. I too was an atheist for 30+ years ... God does not give up easily!



Does God Believe in Atheists? traces the development of atheistic and agnostic thinking from the ‘Golden Age’ of Greek philosophy to the present day.

• · Pinpoints the influence of thinkers such as Immanuel Kant, Friedrich Neitzsche, Martin Heidegger, Albert Camus, Jean-Paul Sartre and Bertrand Russell, and shows how their teaching has helped to shape modern atheistic and agnostic ideas.
  
  · Traces the rise of Darwinian evolutionism and uncovers the weaknesses in claims made by its contemporary exponents such as Richard Dawkins and Peter Atkins.
  
  · Exposes the fallacies of determinism, existentialism and secular humanism.
  
  · Highlights the fundamental flaws in nine world religions and fourteen major cults.
  
  · Shows why true science and true religion are not enemies, but friends.
  
  · Examines the critical issue of how a God of love can allow suffering and evil.

‘A brilliant defence of belief in God’
Rev. Andrew Anderson
International Baptist Church of Brussels

‘This book is destined to be a classic on the subject’
Rev. Wade Burleson
Southern Baptist Convention, USA

‘No self-respecting atheist should be without it’
Rev. Dr Nick Needham
Highland Theological College, Scotland

Link: http://www.evangelicalpress.org/books/d ... heists.htm

 

[D46]

Wars have been started over religion in some form or fashion for centuries. The Vatican has sponsored financially most of them for their greater good and started nearly all of them according to historical documentation Why were the Buddhist in Viet Nam burning themselves on the streets of Saigon? Vietnam was primarily Buddhist but, President Diem was Catholic and was backed by the Vatican in ridding the country of anyone that wasn't Catholic. Kennedy wouldn't play ball with the Vatican, although Catholic himself, and that help start his downward spiral.

'Therefore, for challenging the Pope's Temporal Power, in attempting to thwart Rome's grand design against the peoples of the world, John F. Kennedy, America's first Roman Catholic President, was brutally murdered in Dallas, Texas on November 22, 1963, by the soldiers of Francis Cardinal Spellman within the FBI, the CIA, the Secret Service, Military Intelligence and the Mafia.'

http://www.reformation.org/vietnam.html

http://www.reformation.org/chapter7.html

http://www.reformation.org/chapter15.html

http://www.vaticanassassins.org/

http://www.blessedquietness.com/journal ... /album.htm

http://www.nobeliefs.com/nazis.htm

http://www.srpska-mreza.com/library/fac ... tican.html

 

[Solo]

I fail to see how someoen dedicated to killing Jews (people of jewish faith) and starting a war, to kill Jews, has nothing to do with religion.

Yet, when atheist rulers, Started killing christians, Because they were christian, that is?

Your god is at enmity with God and his children, and has continued his attempt to destroy them. Your god has convinced you that God doesn't and he do not exist. You are wrapped up in the deception of unbelief that will cast millions and millions into eternal condemnation. He has failed to overcome God almighty, and in his misery will take as many as he can with him for eternity. Satan lost at the beginning of creation, was defeated at calvary, and will be forever banished. All who do not believe will partake with him after the judgment. Hopefully you will "wake up" before it is too late.

 

[Nocturnal_Principal_X]

If there was no God, there probably would be no or little War. Little or no racism / prejudice. anywhere.

So what exactly do you mean by this statement? Are you implying that God, or even the belief in God is the cause of the sins you listed?

Sin comes from the hearts of men pure and simple. A belief in God does not incline, temp, influence, or even cause a person to hate. Hate comes from the sinful heart.

For those who believe in God’s words consider the following verses:
Proverbs 4:20-27
Luke 6:43-45
Matthew 12:33-37
Matthew 15:1-20 (// Mark 7:1-23)
Romans 6:1-23
2 Corinthians 4:14-16
Galatians 5:6, 16-26
James 2:14-26

Yes, I do believe it is never the "Intention" of religion to cause war, People just bend religion to suit their needs/wants.

Exactly!

Hitler abused christianity at first, to promote death to Jews, Because they were jewish.

To a degree that is true, however; he abused other things also to justify the genocide of Jews. Thankfully, men like Dietrich Bonhoeffer not only continued to preach the truth but tried various things to resist the Nazi part and Hitler.

The americas used the Bible to promote slavery, and not let women vote, Solely because white males at the time wanted the power.

No entirely accurate. It is true that various preachers and laymen tried to justify slavery with the Bible but there were also preachers and laymen who tried to condemn slavery and expose the sinfulness of it with the Bible.

THe crusades wanted to take back the holy land, warping the bible into a book telling people to murder eachother.

Actually Christianity had nothing to do with it, after all the Bible does not even call for Christian to defend the “Holy Land.†The reason behind the Crusades was due entirely to the lust of the sinful human heart.

The genocide commited by Saddam was due to the fact they were not his religion

No, he may have had various reasons but the main reason was…well I think you get the point.