Is Atheism a myth?

[Gary]

If there was no God, there probably would be no or little War. Little or no racism / prejudice. anywhere.

So what exactly do you mean by this statement?

:D I think peace4all is trying to prove that God exists!

His argument goes like this:

• (1) If no (or little) war
  (2) If no racism / prejudice
  (3) Then there is no God

Really quite funny actually.

So let's see where his argument leads to:

• (1) There is war (little to major)
  (2) There is racism / prejudice
  (3) Therefore (by peace4all's reasoning), God exists!

Very ironic as peace4 is an atheist!

:o

 

[Heidi]

I fail to see how someoen dedicated to killing Jews (people of jewish faith) and starting a war, to kill Jews, has nothing to do with religion.

Yet, when atheist rulers, Started killing christians, Because they were christian, that is?

Your god is at enmity with God and his children, and has continued his attempt to destroy them. Your god has convinced you that God doesn't and he do not exist. You are wrapped up in the deception of unbelief that will cast millions and millions into eternal condemnation. He has failed to overcome God almighty, and in his misery will take as many as he can with him for eternity. Satan lost at the beginning of creation, was defeated at calvary, and will be forever banished. All who do not believe will partake with him after the judgment. Hopefully you will "wake up" before it is too late.

Actually, all wars come from hatred. The Revolutionary war, the civil war, WWI & WWII, the French Revolution, the downfall of the Roman Empire, the Viet Nam war, and many others were not initiated by religion. They were for political power. But all conflict in the world is initiated by those who hate God. None of the instigators of any wars loved God. The Crusades were initiated by catholics who disobeyed Jesus by killing instead of loving their enemies. They thus were not followers of Christ. So if all people loved God, there would be no wars. But there will always be wars by people who hate anyone, especially by people who hate God. ;-)

 

[peace4all]

If there was no God, there probably would be no or little War. Little or no racism / prejudice. anywhere.

So what exactly do you mean by this statement? Are you implying that God, or even the belief in God is the cause of the sins you listed?

Sin comes from the hearts of men pure and simple. A belief in God does not incline, temp, influence, or even cause a person to hate. Hate comes from the sinful heart.

For those who believe in God’s words consider the following verses:
Proverbs 4:20-27
Luke 6:43-45
Matthew 12:33-37
Matthew 15:1-20 (// Mark 7:1-23)
Romans 6:1-23
2 Corinthians 4:14-16
Galatians 5:6, 16-26
James 2:14-26

Yes, I do believe it is never the "Intention" of religion to cause war, People just bend religion to suit their needs/wants.

Exactly!

Hitler abused christianity at first, to promote death to Jews, Because they were jewish.

To a degree that is true, however; he abused other things also to justify the genocide of Jews. Thankfully, men like Dietrich Bonhoeffer not only continued to preach the truth but tried various things to resist the Nazi part and Hitler.

The americas used the Bible to promote slavery, and not let women vote, Solely because white males at the time wanted the power.

No entirely accurate. It is true that various preachers and laymen tried to justify slavery with the Bible but there were also preachers and laymen who tried to condemn slavery and expose the sinfulness of it with the Bible.

THe crusades wanted to take back the holy land, warping the bible into a book telling people to murder eachother.

Actually Christianity had nothing to do with it, after all the Bible does not even call for Christian to defend the “Holy Land.†The reason behind the Crusades was due entirely to the lust of the sinful human heart.

The genocide commited by Saddam was due to the fact they were not his religion

No, he may have had various reasons but the main reason was…well I think you get the point.

Realyl.. If there was no God, no Gods, no religion at all, People would be much safer.

OR if there was 1 single belief, and no one argued that (everyone was christian, budhist, whatever)

Humans seem to have a problem with other humans that are diffrent.Especially with something as important as faith
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[Soma-Sight]

This thread has been derailed to the point of acute renal failure.....

My main point here was in regards to those such as peaceforall and others of similar beliefs....

It is not that they dont believe in A GOD.... they just dont believe in the PREPACKAGED, DOGMATIZED, "BOXED UP" GOD of Xtians, Muslims, Jews ... etc...

So if you dont feel right about going to Church and hypnotically bowing knee to something you dont and cant understand....

You simply plead the fifth and claim to be "atheist" because it seems to be the only option available to you.

I am sure peaceforall believes in some sort of Transcendental Power greater them man at the very least.... It is just the simple fact of not adhering to the current paradigms on the NATURE of this Power....

Am I correct in this assumption peaceforall? (with all due respect) :P

 

[Quadeshet]

This thread has been derailed to the point of acute renal failure.....

My main point here was in regards to those such as peaceforall and others of similar beliefs....

It is not that they dont believe in A GOD.... they just dont believe in the PREPACKAGED, DOGMATIZED, "BOXED UP" GOD of Xtians, Muslims, Jews ... etc...

So if you dont feel right about going to Church and hypnotically bowing knee to something you dont and cant understand....

You simply plead the fifth and claim to be "atheist" because it seems to be the only option available to you.

That's a pretty major assumption. You could just as easily argue that those with religion are simply creating a mental block to the awful truth, and don't and can't understand it when it's explained*

Most of the atheists I know are unbelievers in the supernatural because they accept that humans are not the 'greatest' entity in the universe.

I am no 'greater' than the cat on my lap or the moon I see out the window. That leaves little room to claim there's some kind of invisible agent/s that is/are 'greater' than everything combined.

* I don't claim to know the truth :smt117

 

[DivineNames]

Great point.... WWII was NOT a religious war. In fact, if anything, another of your atheist "friends", an infamous atheist called Friedrich Nietzsche had a lot to do with Hitler's "superman" race idealogy --- ever heard of it? Go read about it. Do a Google search then read and learn about Friedrich Nietzsche's influence on Hitler's thinking which is documented in Mein Kampf.

:o :o

Well lets not forget that Christian anti-Semitism has some responsibility for the Holocaust.

How nasty did it get?

Martin Luther, The Jews and Their Lies, (excerpts)
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/luther-jews.html

:o :o :o

 

[Guest]

Looking around at the complexity and amazing nature of the universe it would appear that at the very least a transcendental power has to exist in some form....

Also we have learned through modern scientific methods that man is "hard wired" to believe in a "God type concept" at least in a generic sense....

Is Atheism a myth?

Are Atheists or more specifically..... those that are strict materialists and disbelieve in anything other than the five senses all liars?

I think so.

I think many if not all atheists simply find modern religious explanations inadequate for there personal understanding of the world.

So instead of adhering to something they cannot fully grasp.....

They make it easy on themselves and totally discredit ALL religious/philisphical arguments in favor of a "God".

That way they dont have to think about it anymore.

thats very hypocritical, just becouse something is easy like believeing in god "just becouse" is easier than looking at all options, that does not mean you should just go out and mindlessly insult people.

 

[Guest]

If there was no God, there would be no atheists.

quite the opposite

 

[jsasaki06]

Is the question really: Is atheism correct? Because if people exist who believe that there is no God, then atheism is not a myth, but that doesn't mean that it is the correct way to understand things.

 

[Skavau]

Looking around at the complexity and amazing nature of the universe it would appear that at the very least a transcendental power has to exist in some form....

Since when did 'complexity' constitute the necessary existence of a creator? There are many things that we have observed to come to existence through purely natural means, that are complex. Why is the universe any different? In fact, I would argue that declaring everything 'complex' indicative of a 'creator' ultimately self-refuting, for the standard would have to apply universally or not at all.

What would be the creator of the creator?

Are Atheists or more specifically..... those that are strict materialists and disbelieve in anything other than the five senses all liars?

I think so.

Do not seek to presume what I do and do not believe.

I think many if not all atheists simply find modern religious explanations inadequate for there personal understanding of the world.

So instead of adhering to something they cannot fully grasp.....

They make it easy on themselves and totally discredit ALL religious/philisphical arguments in favor of a "God".

That way they dont have to think about it anymore.

I find it disgusting how people seem to think they have the mind-reading ability to know what people believe. I find it disgusting when people accuse homophobes of being closet homosexuals (even if statistics demonstrate that there is a higher chance of it happening) because I do not like it when people do it to me.

I can assure you, I do not 'lie' (as you seem to think) about disbelieving in the existenc of God and nor do I not think about it.

Thanks, Skavau

 

[Skavau]

Re:

This thread has been derailed to the point of acute renal failure.....

My main point here was in regards to those such as peaceforall and others of similar beliefs....

It is not that they dont believe in A GOD.... they just dont believe in the PREPACKAGED, DOGMATIZED, "BOXED UP" GOD of Christians, Muslims, Jews ... etc...

I don't believe in a God full stop.

So if you dont feel right about going to Church and hypnotically bowing knee to something you dont and cant understand....

You simply plead the fifth and claim to be "atheist" because it seems to be the only option available to you.

Everyone's own beliefs seems to be their only option. Atheism is the only rational conclusion I have come to regarding the existence of God. I cannot decide otherwise unless convinced.

 

[Skavau]

Re:

If there was no God, there would be no atheists.

That's a cute little statement, although I have always failed to see the meaning of it.

In reality, whether God exists or not has no bearing on what people believe. Atheism and Theism can exist if God exists or not.

 

[proponent]

Re:

If there was no God, there probably would be no or little War. Little or no racism / prejudice. anywhere.

So what exactly do you mean by this statement?

:D I think peace4all is trying to prove that God exists!

His argument goes like this:

• (1) If no (or little) war
  (2) If no racism / prejudice
  (3) Then there is no God

Really quite funny actually.

So let's see where his argument leads to:

• (1) There is war (little to major)
  (2) There is racism / prejudice
  (3) Therefore (by peace4all's reasoning), God exists!

Very ironic as peace4 is an atheist!

:o

I don't know if your misunderstanding is deliberate or not, but the poster is clearly referring to the idea of God as God.

 

[MountainCappuccino]

Is Atheism a myth?

More like lack of myth. :roll:

 

[John]

Re:

If there was no God, there would be no atheists.

You hit the nail on the head there :wink:

 

[Free]

Everyone's own beliefs seems to be their only option. Atheism is the only rational conclusion I have come to regarding the existence of God. I cannot decide otherwise unless convinced.

I find it interesting that you believe atheism is the only rational conclusion since it really is an untenable position and, therefore, not really very rational. Agnosticism is more rational than atheism.

 

[turnorburn]

What will happen to these atheists at the great white throne judgment :onfire: :smt032

Joshua S. Black, when addressing an atheist said, "For people who don't believe in God, you guys sure are paranoid about something!!" How true that is. I have known many atheists, and I have found them to be totally committed to their negative cause. They are zealots, fanatics--who are serious, angry, hateful, and blasphemous towards something they don't believe in. And what's more, they spend their time gathering fuel for the fire of their hatred for God and those that love Him. They gather what they think is legitimate fuel, whether it is atrocities committed by hypocritical religions of history, or the horrors of the Inquisition (the Catholic church torturing Christians for their faith in Jesus). They even gather unintelligent and unscientific material. It qualifies for use because it fits their presuppositions. Any fuel will do, as long at it puts smoke between them and the God they hate "without cause." It was Jonathon Miller who said, "In some awful, strange, paradoxical way, atheists tend to take religion more seriously than the practitioners." So, what is this "something" about which they are so paranoid? It is the same "something" that makes criminals paranoid, and it is that paranoia that fuels criminals to have a deep-rooted hatred for the police. It's not the individual officer they hate; it's what he stands for--civil law. And that's the root of the hatred that the atheist has for God and for those that represent Him. Once again, the Bible has said this all along. It hits the nail on its big and hard head: Romans 8:7: ". . because the mind of the flesh [with its carnal thoughts and purposes] is hostile to God, for it does not submit itself to God's Law; indeed it cannot" (Amplified Bible). They hate the morality that God's Law demands. That's the fuel for their hostility.

 

[John]

What will happen to these atheists at the great white throne judgment

Sounds pretty, but it wont be all too fun i am afraid. :roll:

 

[VaultZero4Me]

What will happen to these atheists at the great white throne judgment :onfire: :smt032

Joshua S. Black, when addressing an atheist said, "For people who don't believe in God, you guys sure are paranoid about something!!" How true that is. I have known many atheists, and I have found them to be totally committed to their negative cause. They are zealots, fanatics--who are serious, angry, hateful, and blasphemous towards something they don't believe in. And what's more, they spend their time gathering fuel for the fire of their hatred for God and those that love Him. They gather what they think is legitimate fuel, whether it is atrocities committed by hypocritical religions of history, or the horrors of the Inquisition (the Catholic church torturing Christians for their faith in Jesus). They even gather unintelligent and unscientific material. It qualifies for use because it fits their presuppositions. Any fuel will do, as long at it puts smoke between them and the God they hate "without cause." It was Jonathon Miller who said, "In some awful, strange, paradoxical way, atheists tend to take religion more seriously than the practitioners." So, what is this "something" about which they are so paranoid? It is the same "something" that makes criminals paranoid, and it is that paranoia that fuels criminals to have a deep-rooted hatred for the police. It's not the individual officer they hate; it's what he stands for--civil law. And that's the root of the hatred that the atheist has for God and for those that represent Him. Once again, the Bible has said this all along. It hits the nail on its big and hard head: Romans 8:7: ". . because the mind of the flesh [with its carnal thoughts and purposes] is hostile to God, for it does not submit itself to God's Law; indeed it cannot" (Amplified Bible). They hate the morality that God's Law demands. That's the fuel for their hostility.

There is a mixing of two groups here. The atheist and anti-theist.

The majority of anti-theist I have known were religious at one point, and seem to have an irrational hostility towards religion.

Some atheists cite hostility towards believers who make jovial comments about eternal damnation, as if they receive some sort of personal satisfaction from their personal belief that people not like them will be tortured for eternity. Many atheists find it highly objectionable that a rational person would make such comments in a jovial cartoonish manner, and borderline sadistic.

Most atheists and agnostics are not interested in religion much, and the ones that are, it is for scholarly reasons.

The anti-theists can be the loudest of the group and give a false perception of the whole. Much like the loudest of any particular group can.

 

[John]

Why i am not an Atheist, More or less.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SX19MrhlE0c