tessiewebb
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Paul studied for 14 years and although I'm sure the Holy Spirit did a lot in his life, He also made the existing scriptures come alive and make sense to Paul, who was a Pharisee.
There is no indication that God enlightened Paul using existing Scriptures. In fact he said himself "But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb and called [me] through His grace, to reveal His Son in me, that I might preach Him among the Gentiles, I did not immediately confer with flesh and blood, ....And I went up by revelation, and communicated to them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles, but privately to those who were of reputation, lest by any means I might run, or had run, in vain." This sounds to me like he got revelation straight from God and later went to some to be sue he had not gotten it wrong.
The key is of course that we HAVE the infilling of the Holy Spirit to be able to depend on. There are many believers who have NEVER received that.
If not, how are they to know they are even saved? How can they cry Abba, Father? In Him you also [trusted], after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise,..
When Jesus gives these people to the church, they are already fulfilling these offices by the way they have allowed the Holy Spirit to work in them. You are what you are, BEFORE you are presented to fill a role in the church.
I agree that we already are gifted before we are ready to fill a certain role in the Body.
Where did you get this definition from? I don't believe the OT prophet is the same as the NT prophet. John was a Prophet and Apostle, as depicted in the NT. Paul and Peter were Apostles. As we are now directed by the Holy Spirit we have in our lives when we receive the infilling, Paul makes it clear in 1 Cor 12 & 14 how prophesy works.
From Strong's concordance on the Blue Letter Bible website which gives definitions of words. There can be no difference between OT and NT prophets except that NT prophets have the indwelling Spirit where the OT only had the Spirit "come on them" from time to time. If anything, NT prophets are not heeded because we are so skeptical about anything that is "now" and reverence the "past" so much. And, admittedly, because there is so much charlatanry.
I think we need both equally, but a clear mandate needs to be given to new believers, of the importance of reading and digesting God's Word. Paul warns about 'new converts' in 1 Tim 3:6, and this extends, I believe, not just to the ministry of overseer.
I think so too but the "clear mandate" has to be from someone that won't blow them off until they become pew sitters in frustration. And you and I know that is not prevalent among denominational or non denominational leaders of bodies of believers. The leaders are usually too busy keeping their J O B or filling the positions with their friends to encourage new believers to follow the leading of the Spirit into any of the ministry positions.
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