Is God causing or allowing Global Events

[reddogs]

.. such as we see in the Global Pandemic, Global warming, Global Humanitarian crisis, Global food shortages, etc.. to say nothing of the conflicts breaking out between nations all over the world... We are given this in gods Word..

Romans 1:18
For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

 

[Ezekiel]

This is what must happen, this earth is cursed from the beginning. The whole solar system is warming not just earth. The transgressions on our sun is heavy and it reacts with many eruptions. Demons have infiltrate all governments and only to get worst. I know everyone sees this. In the end no green grass will be able to grow to feed any. But the new heavens earth will have different laws and will ever be before the Lord, a man will be as old as the oldest tree, no one will take what you have built and the spirit of the Lord will flow on all.

 

[Enlightenedtruth]

.. such as we see in the Global Pandemic, Global warming, Global Humanitarian crisis, Global food shortages, etc.. to say nothing of the conflicts breaking out between nations all over the world... We are given this in gods Word..

Romans 1:18
For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

God is allowing these things to occur; because this is what men have done. Have you ever heard that expression; "you have made your bed, now you must lay in it". This will continue up until the point where things become critical, to the verge of the earth being outright destroyed; then the Angel's will step up through God's Will.

 

[Christian Saboteur]

It's kinda like what Jeff Foxworthy said about the little kid sitting in front of the 900lb T.V atop the little flimsy T.V Tray,........GO AHEAD,PULL IT OFF THERE,YOU SEE,IT HURT LIKE DIDNT IT!!!!!!!!!!!.God knows we are going to screw it all up,but he'll be there in the end.

 

[for_his_glory]

The reason for all the devastation in the world today is found in these verses below. Man's heart has harden as they fell away from God going after the lust of the world making this world their god. God will allow man to destroy themselves if they will not turn back to Him in true repentance.

Jer 16:9 For thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Behold, I will cause to cease out of this place in your eyes, and in your days, the voice of mirth, and the voice of gladness, the voice of the bridegroom, and the voice of the bride.
Jer 16:10 And it shall come to pass, when thou shalt shew this people all these words, and they shall say unto thee, Wherefore hath the LORD pronounced all this great evil against us? or what is our iniquity? or what is our sin that we have committed against the LORD our God?
Jer 16:11 Then shalt thou say unto them, Because your fathers have forsaken me, saith the LORD, and have walked after other gods, and have served them, and have worshipped them, and have forsaken me, and have not kept my law;
Jer 16:12 And ye have done worse than your fathers; for, behold, ye walk every one after the imagination of his evil heart, that they may not hearken unto me:

Mat 24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
Mat 24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
Mat 24:8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
Mat 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
Mat 24:10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
Mat 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
Mat 24:12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.

2Corinthians 4:4 in whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Ephesians 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

Man has allowed their heart to be harden as they fell away from God going after the lust of the world making this world their god.

 

[YeshuaGlory]

The Book of Revelation is now really starting to UNveil,, ck out the YT vids on the AI as future, and the reference verse in Rev, **image is made to speak**.. The 666 chip is already functioning in some ways,, on your credit card, medicare cards , a city somewhere in Sweden I think, has companies implimenting. It was on 60 MInutes. Wars breaking out every month now. God through His Holy Prophets already gave us the scriptures which let us know of these events, alyough cloaked in a mystery style of expression. Finally so many verses in Revelation that had been totally locked away for decades, is now opening up with understandings.
Rev is a very difficult book to understand as we all know. You can go to YT and see the odd and far out exegesis /interpretations,,,of the symbolisms.
I do not think even 1 YT vid has made any impressions on me, , = did not learn anything.
Last comment, some christians appraoch Rev as if it is a Hollywood movie, Like in 5,10.20 yrs all these events happen like a Book, a Novel.. = Waiting for the rapture and such.
My 2nd post on the forum, glad to meet you guys

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

.. such as we see in the Global Pandemic, Global warming, Global Humanitarian crisis, Global food shortages, etc.. to say nothing of the conflicts breaking out between nations all over the world... We are given this in gods Word..

Romans 1:18
For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

All at God's APPOINTED times. There's a season for everything, and in the eyes of God, specific seasons on His schedule.

 

[miamited]

Hi reddogs

I've always been of a mind that it's not an either/or question.

Some things God does do. He claims of Himself to raise up kings. We know there came a time that it was by His power that Pharoah refused to release God's people. We also know from Scripture that God raised up King Nebuchadnezzar. So, I believe that there are things that happen upon the earth that are a direct result of God's hand/will to be done. But I believe the vast majority of events that happen on the earth are man caused, God allowed.

Peter speaks of the days that we presently live in as being the days of God's patience. I believe that!

God bless,
Ted

 

[for_his_glory]

The Book of Revelation is now really starting to UNveil,, ck out the YT vids on the AI as future, and the reference verse in Rev, **image is made to speak**.. The 666 chip is already functioning in some ways,, on your credit card, medicare cards , a city somewhere in Sweden I think, has companies implimenting. It was on 60 MInutes. Wars breaking out every month now. God through His Holy Prophets already gave us the scriptures which let us know of these events, alyough cloaked in a mystery style of expression. Finally so many verses in Revelation that had been totally locked away for decades, is now opening up with understandings.
Rev is a very difficult book to understand as we all know. You can go to YT and see the odd and far out exegesis /interpretations,,,of the symbolisms.
I do not think even 1 YT vid has made any impressions on me, , = did not learn anything.
Last comment, some christians appraoch Rev as if it is a Hollywood movie, Like in 5,10.20 yrs all these events happen like a Book, a Novel.. = Waiting for the rapture and such.
My 2nd post on the forum, glad to meet you guys

Welcome to CF YeshuaGlory glad to have you .

I wrote a book on Revelation that you can find in the End Times forum under the subtitle Revelation if you would like to read it. You would need to scroll through all the threads to find it as I broke it down chapter by chapter. It took years of studying Revelation through the Holy Spirit teaching me as I closed my mind to all the things I was taught, but never set well in my spirit and had to do a lot of cross referencing the scriptures and when your eyes are opened to truth it will blow your mind what so many are teaching. It's call bandwagon teachings that line the pockets of those who join in.

2Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
2Timothy 2:16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.

 

[miamited]

Hi YeshuaGlory

Last comment, some christians appraoch Rev as if it is a Hollywood movie, Like in 5,10.20 yrs all these events happen like a Book, a Novel.. = Waiting for the rapture and such.

I believe that the accounts described for us in the Revelation of Jesus, span the entire life of Jesus. From his birth as the woman in labor for which the devil stands to swallow up the baby. To the reality of where he is now seated at the right hand side of the Majesty and Glory that is God.

Therefore, as I say, when it speaks of the woman in labor who then goes into the wilderness for a time, I believe it is speaking of Israel in Jesus' day and the scattering of 70 A.D. I've also been impressed, I believe by the Spirit, that the scrolls are presently being ripped open as we live our lives here upon the earth. The four horsemen of the Revelation have already been loosed and are doing their work today, and have been for some time. Certainly since shortly after Jesus ascended to the Father.

Obviously the bowl judgments haven't been poured out yet upon the unrighteous. Obviously the earth hasn't yet been harvested as we read in chapter 14. So, it's my understanding that this panorama of life on the earth as John is seeing glimpses of, is a view that spreads to tell the entire story of Jesus' work on the earth.

God bless
Ted

 

[YeshuaGlory]

Welcome to CF YeshuaGlory glad to have you .

I wrote a book on Revelation that you can find in the End Times forum under the subtitle Revelation if you would like to read it. You would need to scroll through all the threads to find it as I broke it down chapter by chapter. It took years of studying Revelation through the Holy Spirit teaching me as I closed my mind to all the things I was taught, but never set well in my spirit and had to do a lot of cross referencing the scriptures and when your eyes are opened to truth it will blow your mind what so many are teaching. It's call bandwagon teachings that line the pockets of those who join in.

2Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
2Timothy 2:16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.

will look for it
I have resolved many of the strange symbols/concepots in the bk of Rev. God can open that door if He so choses

 

[YeshuaGlory]

Hi YeshuaGlory
I believe that the accounts described for us in the Revelation of Jesus, span the entire life of Jesus. From his birth as the woman in labor for which the devil stands to swallow up the baby. To the reality of where he is now seated at the right hand side of the Majesty and Glory that is God.

Therefore, as I say, when it speaks of the woman in labor who then goes into the wilderness for a time, I believe it is speaking of Israel in Jesus' day and the scattering of 70 A.D. I've also been impressed, I believe by the Spirit, that the scrolls are presently being ripped open as we live our lives here upon the earth. The four horsemen of the Revelation have already been loosed and are doing their work today, and have been for some time. Certainly since shortly after Jesus ascended to the Father.

Obviously the bowl judgments haven't been poured out yet upon the unrighteous. Obviously the earth hasn't yet been harvested as we read in chapter 14. So, it's my understanding that this panorama of life on the earth as John is seeing glimpses of, is a view that spreads to tell the entire story of Jesus' work on the earth.

God bless
Ted

The woman is Israel
The Child is the Holy Remnant/144000 Sons of God.
The woman is not the gentiles, the Child is the Holy Kingdom of Yeshua born within this tiny Holy Remnant.
The Bk of Rev, has countless YT vids, hardly 1 worth much, in fact worthless.

I've re read that bk countless times, Finally after 40 yrs, God has decided to help me out.
Remember God wrote the book, He knows what the symbols/timings mean, The Epochs etc etc.
So it is to Him we seek the deep hidden meanings.
Now that events are unfolding FAST DAY BY DAY,, its all bcomming more clearer to me. But again the events HAD to happen 1st, then comes the meanings given by God. Either God gives me hints during my studies, or via dreams, hunches or Yeshua whispers, /communicates to my mind. Its like 1st I see rough shapes, forms, intuitions as the images float through my mind,,, ..Might see something on TV or YT or in a on a Atlantic online article, ,,, then these ideas have to cook as in the old alchemical masters system = something like what Carl Jung says.
Commentaries on the bk are useless to me.
YT vids on Rev are worthless.

 

[reddogs]

Hi reddogs

I've always been of a mind that it's not an either/or question.

Some things God does do. He claims of Himself to raise up kings. We know there came a time that it was by His power that Pharoah refused to release God's people. We also know from Scripture that God raised up King Nebuchadnezzar. So, I believe that there are things that happen upon the earth that are a direct result of God's hand/will to be done. But I believe the vast majority of events that happen on the earth are man caused, God allowed.

Peter speaks of the days that we presently live in as being the days of God's patience. I believe that!

God bless,
Ted

The thing is that God is one of order, not disorder, so He knowing the end from the beginning, is there at each event..

 

[miamited]

Hi reddogs

The thing is that God is one of order, not disorder, so He knowing the end from the beginning, is there at each event..

Yes, that's correct. Which is why I believe as I do. The world is in very much disorder. Ipso facto, if God were controlling the activities of the earth down to being the mover and cause of the arm of every person, then to have disorder would be wrong. But to believe that man does have a lot that he can choose to do by his own free will that brings the disorder to our world.

I just remember God telling the fresh new Israelites, after giving them the law through Moses.

Choose you this day, what you will follow. Man has a choice and those choices are the cause of the disorder in the realm of our existence that God created for us.

"And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;...".

I chuckle at the KJ using the word 'convenient' to describe the list of wickedness to follow. But yes, God is revealing His Wrath to us

The NKJV is a bit more readable:

For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and [g]Godhead, so that they are without excuse, because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools, and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like [h]corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.

Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.

Therefore God gave them up. That sounds to me like He just released them from His hand and said, "Ok. Go do what you want. All that your heart desires, and even invents ways to desire, the pleasures of your lust. And that's not just sexual lust. That's the love we each hold in our hearts for other things that we tend to put in front of God. Thereby blocking any relationship with God.

Yes, God knows the end from the beginning. I just don't think that has any bearing on who is controlling our day to day actions as we live the lives that God has given us to treasure in this realm of His creating. It all belongs to God, but He made man with an ability to choose what he would seek as he lives his life here. Then he will die. Then will come the resurrection to the day of God's judgment, or an earlier resurrection to the 1,000 year reign of Christ. Either way, we will all of us answer to God for our choices. He has caused to be written to us all that we need to know about 'who' He is and what He is doing as the future becomes history in the march of days to the end of days.

God bless,
Ted

 

[Fastfredy0]

Is God causing or allowing Global Events​

Causing Global Events
Johnathan Edwards argued that since the principle of causality demands that all actions are caused, then it is irrational to claim that things arise without a cause. For Edwards a self-caused action is impossible, since a cause is prior to an effect, and one cannot be prior to himself. Therefore, all actions are ultimately caused by a First Cause (God). "Free choice" is doing what one desires, but God gives the desires or affections that control action. Hence, all human actions ultimately are determined by God.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Is God causing or allowing Global Events​

Causing Global Events
Johnathan Edwards argued that since the principle of causality demands that all actions are caused, then it is irrational to claim that things arise without a cause. For Edwards a self-caused action is impossible, since a cause is prior to an effect, and one cannot be prior to himself. Therefore, all actions are ultimately caused by a First Cause (God). "Free choice" is doing what one desires, but God gives the desires or affections that control action. Hence, all human actions ultimately are determined by God.

None of these matters. You can preach this fatalistic view all day long, but we can only see things from a human perspective, none of us can see from God's perspective, we can't see the forest for the tree. What you're doing here is preaching to me and lecturing on me about this lush forest, even though you and I are both surrounded by individual trees and never get to see the forest from a bird's eye view. Only God is outside of time and space, therefore only from God's perspective, global events are predetermined at certain times and places. As long as we're not God, all we can see is breaking news and random events. Some are predictable, some are big surprises.

 

[reddogs]

Hi reddogs
Yes, that's correct. Which is why I believe as I do. The world is in very much disorder. Ipso facto, if God were controlling the activities of the earth down to being the mover and cause of the arm of every person, then to have disorder would be wrong. But to believe that man does have a lot that he can choose to do by his own free will that brings the disorder to our world.

I just remember God telling the fresh new Israelites, after giving them the law through Moses.

Choose you this day, what you will follow. Man has a choice and those choices are the cause of the disorder in the realm of our existence that God created for us.

"And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;...".

I chuckle at the KJ using the word 'convenient' to describe the list of wickedness to follow. But yes, God is revealing His Wrath to us

The NKJV is a bit more readable:

For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and [g]Godhead, so that they are without excuse, because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools, and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like [h]corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.

Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.

Therefore God gave them up. That sounds to me like He just released them from His hand and said, "Ok. Go do what you want. All that your heart desires, and even invents ways to desire, the pleasures of your lust. And that's not just sexual lust. That's the love we each hold in our hearts for other things that we tend to put in front of God. Thereby blocking any relationship with God.

Yes, God knows the end from the beginning. I just don't think that has any bearing on who is controlling our day to day actions as we live the lives that God has given us to treasure in this realm of His creating. It all belongs to God, but He made man with an ability to choose what he would seek as he lives his life here. Then he will die. Then will come the resurrection to the day of God's judgment, or an earlier resurrection to the 1,000 year reign of Christ. Either way, we will all of us answer to God for our choices. He has caused to be written to us all that we need to know about 'who' He is and what He is doing as the future becomes history in the march of days to the end of days.

God bless,
Ted

Man has freewill in his choices, but once they choose what is from sin and iniquity, he has consequences to deal with. So we have to face the question of are they natural or a result of turning away from God..

 

[miamited]

Hi reddogs

So we have to face the question of are they natural or a result of turning away from God.

Not sure why 'we' (believers) have to face that question. We should know the answer.

God bless,
Ted

 

[reddogs]

None of these matters. You can preach this fatalistic view all day long, but we can only see things from a human perspective, none of us can see from God's perspective, we can't see the forest for the tree. What you're doing here is preaching to me and lecturing on me about this lush forest, even though you and I are both surrounded by individual trees and never get to see the forest from a bird's eye view. Only God is outside of time and space, therefore only from God's perspective, global events are predetermined at certain times and places. As long as we're not God, all we can see is breaking news and random events. Some are predictable, some are big surprises.

And some are warnings of the times, the signs of His coming...

 

[electedbyHim]

Is God causing or allowing Global Events​

Causing Global Events
Johnathan Edwards argued that since the principle of causality demands that all actions are caused, then it is irrational to claim that things arise without a cause. For Edwards a self-caused action is impossible, since a cause is prior to an effect, and one cannot be prior to himself. Therefore, all actions are ultimately caused by a First Cause (God). "Free choice" is doing what one desires, but God gives the desires or affections that control action. Hence, all human actions ultimately are determined by God.

God’s eternal, sovereign, all-inclusive plan

“1. God from all eternity did, by the most wise and holy counsel of his own will, freely and unchangeably ordain whatsoever comes to pass: yet so, as thereby neither is God the author of sin, nor is violence offered to the will of the creatures, nor is the liberty or contingency of second causes taken away, but rather established.”

God has such a plan (Rom 9:15; 11:33; Eph 1:11; Heb 6:17). This plan contains all things and events:

All things that occur are related to each other. If God controls one, he must control them all.

The Bible says God controls all things (as Eph 1:11 above).

He controls “chance” events (1 Kgs 22:34 [compare vv. 20, 23]; Prov 16:33; Matt 10:29- 30).

He controls the free actions of people (Prov 21:1; Eph 2:10; Phil 2:13; cf. King Cyrus).

He controls even the sinful actions of people (Gen 45:4-8; 50:20; 2 Sam 24:1 [compare 1 Chr 21:1]; Isa 10:5; Acts 2:23; 4:27-28 [compare Matt 17:12]).


But note that God is not the author of sin. The sin arises in the will of the sinner, which is corrupted by his sinful nature, as we see in Gen 50:20. God’s sovereign or decretive will is not to be confused with his revealed or prescriptive will—his commandments. While his prescriptive will forbids sin, his decretive will ordains sin for his own glory. Yet when angels or humans sin, they do so of their own free will and desire—they are responsible and accountable. The Bible says that God cannot originate sin (Jas 1:13-17; 1 John 1:5). Rather, he uses and channels the sin of his creatures into the actions he desires (see Ps 76:10 in most translations).


The “liberty” of second causes means that God does not override the freedom of people when he uses them to cause events for other people. The “contingency” of second causes means that God indeed uses those second causes to bring to pass his desired will.

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