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IS HELL FOREVER?

Kathi said:
It is in the Bible.Nothing in the Bible is fictional.
Jesus' Parables were stories that were "cast alongside" a truth in order to illustrate that truth.
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And the lesson or truth taught about Luke 16:19-31 is that you cannot serve two Gods, money and Jesus Christ.
That is the truth shown, if you serve money you will quench the spirit.
It has nothing to do with the afterlife.

19“There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day.
25“But Abraham replied, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony.
 
DRS81 said:
And the lesson or truth taught about Luke 16:19-31 is that you cannot serve two Gods, money and Jesus Christ.
That is the truth shown, if you serve money you will quench the spirit.
It has nothing to do with the afterlife.
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It shows you where they were.One was in Paradise and one was in Sheol.
 
Kathi said:
It shows you where they were.One was in Paradise and one was in Sheol.
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He's using places of familiarity so we get the point not to worship two Gods. What did you think, Jesus was going to use places that we can't relate too??

That is the truth shown, if you serve money you will quench the spirit. It has nothing to do with the afterlife. Mammon!! Money!

19“There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day.
25“But Abraham replied, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony.
 
Kathi It also mentions no distinction in whether the rich man was an unbeliever and Lazarus was a believer. It's not about heaven and hell, it's about idol worship, worshiping money vs. having a relationship with God.
 
DRS81 said:
Kathi It also mentions no distinction in whether the rich man was an unbeliever and Lazarus was a believer. It's not about heaven and hell, it's about idol worship, worshiping money vs. having a relationship with God.
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You can tell by the scenario that the Lord portrays that one was a believer and the other one was not.
 
Kathi said:
You can tell by the scenario that the Lord portrays that one was a believer and the other one was not.
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I'll agree with you on that, but death is used here as a metaphor to describe God's anger towards idols.

It's alluding to Deut 32:21-22 in that there is no escaping his anger.

21They made me jealous by what is no god
and angered me with their worthless idols.
I will make them envious by those who are not a people;
I will make them angry by a nation that has no understanding.
22For a fire will be kindled by my wrath,
one that burns down to sheol below.
It will devour the earth and its harvests
and set afire the foundations of the mountains.
 
Yes,Hell and heaven is forever and ever.For an eternity.That is never ending.Compared to this short journey we have on this earth that is a very,very long time.So people need to ask themselves.Where do I want to spend eternity?
 
Kathi said:
Yes,Hell and heaven is forever and ever.For an eternity.That is never ending.Compared to this short journey we have on this earth that is a very,very long time.So people need to ask themselves.Where do I want to spend eternity?
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But Luke 16:19-31 isn't proof of where we go between death and the first resurrection. It's specifically speaking of idol worship and God's anger being kindled.

Deut 32:21-22

21They made me jealous by what is no god
and angered me with their worthless idols.
I will make them envious by those who are not a people;
I will make them angry by a nation that has no understanding.
22For a fire will be kindled by my wrath,
one that burns down to sheol below.
It will devour the earth and its harvests
and set afire the foundations of the mountains.
 
"But God's language is Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic" He speaks to us in the language we understand DRS81.. To a Hebrew He speaks Hebrew to a Greek Greek and so on and so forth.. otherwise we get "hath God said" :)

tob
 
turnorburn said:
"But God's language is Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic" He speaks to us in the language we understand DRS81.. To a Hebrew He speaks Hebrew to a Greek Greek and so on and so forth.. otherwise we get "hath God said" :)

tob
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But (scripture) was (penned) in Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic 2,000 years ago.
 
Kathi said:
Yep....look at the good old dictionary.Mine sure does not say that hades means grave.
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Kathi said:
If it is not in my American dictionary.I ignore it.
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Edward said:
What are you using? Is it translated or transliterated? Tell us what it is and quote it. You're wrong brother. I have a greek dictionary. :wink
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Oh for goodness sake people. Hades can mean "grave". This is especially evident when the NT uses hades in place of the OT sheol.

http://www.biblestudytools.com/lexicons/greek/nas/hades.html

Definition
  1. name Hades or Pluto, the god of the lower regions
  2. Orcus, the nether world, the realm of the dead
  3. later use of this word: the grave, death, hell

If you guys are going to argue over the meaning of hades, use a Greek dictionary since it is a Greek word used in the Greek manuscripts of the NT.
 
Free said:
Oh for goodness sake people. Hades can mean "grave". This is especially evident when the NT uses hades in place of the OT sheol.

http://www.biblestudytools.com/lexicons/greek/nas/hades.html

Definition
  1. name Hades or Pluto, the god of the lower regions
  2. Orcus, the nether world, the realm of the dead
  3. later use of this word: the grave, death, hell

If you guys are going to argue over the meaning of hades, use a Greek dictionary since it is a Greek word used in the Greek manuscripts of the NT.
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a fluent speaker in koine greek suggested that I go to the classic view to get the definition of that.
 
Free said:
And did you get the definition?
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I have already read some of the classics. troi, homers ilead and odessey. that is how the greeks viewed hades. I cant recall if she said it was grave. she isn't saved. I may ask her, she learned it and latin because both are good for lawyers to see how any scientific language is good at eliminating doubts. she did say that hades could have borrowed and redefined. apage isn't used in greek much. in fact she said its borrowed from the greek culture and redefined by Christians to mean what we we say. she said the same with baptizmo . which literally can mean to immerse. it doesn't have to be water.
 
Free said:
Oh for goodness sake people. Hades can mean "grave". This is especially evident when the NT uses hades in place of the OT sheol.

http://www.biblestudytools.com/lexicons/greek/nas/hades.html

Definition
  1. name Hades or Pluto, the god of the lower regions
  2. Orcus, the nether world, the realm of the dead
  3. later use of this word: the grave, death, hell

If you guys are going to argue over the meaning of hades, use a Greek dictionary since it is a Greek word used in the Greek manuscripts of the NT.
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Yes, hell is forever. Jesus said that we should fear the one who can destroy both body and soul in hell.
However, a person who has been destroyed in hell is not alive and conscious of eternal torment. The fate of the wicked is destruction, not eternal conscious torment in hell.

But transgressors shall be altogether destroyed;
the future of the wicked shall be cut off.
Psalm 37:38
 
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