Jethro Bodine
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It often seems to me that you have not even read what I've said. Now I know why. You'll have to read what I write if you want to debate me. Perhaps you're afraid of what you'll read if you read all of my posts.Usually, after I've refuted your points early in your posts, I don't bother to read to the bottom. No reason to respond to what else is written after refuting the early part of your posts.
These are the very first lines of post #928:So, what is this so-called challenge to my argument? But this time, put in early in your posts, where I'll read it.
Then 'whoever' and 'Me' and 'who believe' are figurative, too , then, right?
"6 ...whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to stumble" (Matthew 18:6 NASB bold mine)
"6 ...whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to stumble" (Matthew 18:6 NASB bold mine)
Since you cast the passage away on the basis of it being entirely figurative (to get rid of the hell believers in Christ can be cast into) then surely you must also say that 'whoever', 'who believes', and 'Me' are figurative too, thus making the passage completely safe, sanitized, and meaningless for the ardent OSASer who is too afraid to acknowledge the obvious and plain truth Jesus teaches. It's a ridiculous claim that just because he describes in metaphors those who make believers stumble that everything in the passage is a meaningless metaphor. That's a grasping, gasping, desperate argument. The plain truth visible for all honest people to see is that Jesus says that believers in Christ can be made to stumble so as to go to the place of eternal fire: The very thing OSASer's are sure can never, ever happen under any circumstances to the one who believes in Christ.
"6but whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to stumble, it would be better for him to have a heavy millstone hung around his neck, and to be drowned in the depth of the sea.
7“Woe to the world because of its stumbling blocks! For it is inevitable that stumbling blocks come; but woe to that man through whom the stumbling block comes!
8“If your hand or your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it from you; it is better for you to enter life crippled or lame, than to have two hands or two feet and be cast into the eternal fire. 9“If your eye causes you to stumble, pluck it out and throw it from you. It is better for you to enter life with one eye, than to have two eyes and be cast into the fiery hell." (Matthew 18:6-9 NASB)
Making the passage completely figurative to avoid the reality of the hell he talks about is so obviously ludicrous as to be beyond honest consideration. He uses figures to describe the 'whoevers' that causes the stumbling, but even that figure he explains. But it's impossible to make the real believers in him, and the hell he says they can be cast into merely figurative. That's a sad, vain attempt to make this clear non-OSAS passage go away.
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