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Can anyone find a verse from the Bible were Jesus(peace be upon him) has said "I am God" or where he says, "worship me"?
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One that jumps out at me at first thought is John 10:22-30.
Verse 30: "I and the Father are one."
Some others:
John 5:22-23
Colossians 2:9
Verse 30: "I and the Father are one."
Some others:
John 5:22-23
Colossians 2:9
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Is Jesus God?
I certainly hope so, or my religion is false. :roll:
I certainly hope so, or my religion is false. :roll:
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Those verses you gave Fnerb dont really answer the question. Does it even say in the Bible were Jesus(peace be upon him) has said "I am God" or where he says, "worship me"? That was the question.
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58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I AM. John 8:58
And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. Exodus 3:14
And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. Exodus 3:14
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1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. 4 In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.
John begins his Gospel by speaking about the Word but he does not explain at first who or what the Word is. A word is a unit of speech by which we express ourselves to others. But John is not writing about speech but rather about a Person. That Person is the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God. God has fully expressed Himself to mankind in the Person of the Lord Jesus. By coming into the world, Christ has perfectly revealed to us what God is like. By dying for us on the cross, He has told us how much God loves us. Thus Christ is Gods living Word to man, the expression of Gods thoughts.
1:1 In the beginning was the Word. He did not have a beginning Himself, but existed from all eternity. As far as the human mind can go back, the Lord Jesus was there. He never was created. He had no beginning. (A genealogy would be out of place in this Gospel of the Son of God.) The Word was with God. He had a separate and distinct personality. He was not just an idea, a thought, or some vague kind of example, but a real Person who lived with God. The Word was God. He not only dwelt with God, but He Himself was God.
The Bible teaches that there is one God and that there are three Persons in the Godheadthe Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. All three of these Persons are God. In this verse, two of the Persons of the Godhead are mentionedGod the Father and God the Son. It is the first of many clear statements in this Gospel that JesusChrist isGod. It is not enough to say that He is a god,that He is godlike, or that He is divine. The Bible teaches that He is God.
1:2 Verse 2 would appear to be a mere repetition of what has been said, but actually it is not. This verse teaches that Christs personality and deity were without beginning. He did not become a person for the first time as the Babe of Bethlehem. Nor did He somehow become a god after His resurrection, as some teach today. He is God from all eternity.
1:3 All things were made through Him. He Himself was not a created being; rather He was the Creator of all things. This includes mankind, the animals, the heavenly planets, the angels all things visible and invisible. Without Him nothing was made that was made. There can be no possible exception. If a thing was made, He made it. As Creator, He is, of course, superior to anything He has created. All three Persons of the Godhead were involved in the work of creation: God created the heavens and the earth(Gen. 1:1). The Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters(Gen. 1:2). All things were created through Him (Christ) and for Him(Col. 1:16b).
1:4 In Him was life. This does not simply mean that He possessed life, but that He was and is the source of life. The word here includes both physical and spiritual life. When we were born, we received physical life. When we are born again, we receive spiritual life. Both come from Him.
The life was the light of men. The same One who supplied us with life is also the light of men. He provides the guidance and direction necessary for man. It is one thing to exist, but quite another to know how to live, to know the true purpose of life, and to know the way to heaven. The same One who gave us life is the One who provides us with light for the pathway we travel.
There are seven wonderful titles of our Lord Jesus Christ in this opening chapter of the Gospel. He is called (1) the Word (vv. 1, 14); (2) the Light (vv. 5, 7); (3) the Lamb of God (vv. 29, 36); (4) the Son of God (vv. 34, 49); (5) the Christ (Messiah) (v. 41); (6) the King of Israel (v. 49); and (7) the Son of Man (v. 51). The first four titles, each of which is mentioned at least twice, seem to be universal in application. The last three titles, each of which is mentioned only once, had their first application to Israel, Gods ancient people.
1:5 The light shines in the darkness. The entrance of sin brought darkness to the minds of men. It plunged the world into darkness in the sense that men in general neither knew God nor wanted to know Him. Into this darkness the Lord Jesus camea light shining in a dark place.
The darkness did not comprehend it. This may mean that the darkness did not understand the Lord Jesus when He came into the world. Men did not realize who He really was, or why He had come. Another meaning, however, is given in the NKJV New King James Version margin: the darkness did not overcome it. Then the thought would be that mans rejection and enmity did not prevent the true light from shining.
John begins his Gospel by speaking about the Word but he does not explain at first who or what the Word is. A word is a unit of speech by which we express ourselves to others. But John is not writing about speech but rather about a Person. That Person is the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God. God has fully expressed Himself to mankind in the Person of the Lord Jesus. By coming into the world, Christ has perfectly revealed to us what God is like. By dying for us on the cross, He has told us how much God loves us. Thus Christ is Gods living Word to man, the expression of Gods thoughts.
1:1 In the beginning was the Word. He did not have a beginning Himself, but existed from all eternity. As far as the human mind can go back, the Lord Jesus was there. He never was created. He had no beginning. (A genealogy would be out of place in this Gospel of the Son of God.) The Word was with God. He had a separate and distinct personality. He was not just an idea, a thought, or some vague kind of example, but a real Person who lived with God. The Word was God. He not only dwelt with God, but He Himself was God.
The Bible teaches that there is one God and that there are three Persons in the Godheadthe Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. All three of these Persons are God. In this verse, two of the Persons of the Godhead are mentionedGod the Father and God the Son. It is the first of many clear statements in this Gospel that JesusChrist isGod. It is not enough to say that He is a god,that He is godlike, or that He is divine. The Bible teaches that He is God.
1:2 Verse 2 would appear to be a mere repetition of what has been said, but actually it is not. This verse teaches that Christs personality and deity were without beginning. He did not become a person for the first time as the Babe of Bethlehem. Nor did He somehow become a god after His resurrection, as some teach today. He is God from all eternity.
1:3 All things were made through Him. He Himself was not a created being; rather He was the Creator of all things. This includes mankind, the animals, the heavenly planets, the angels all things visible and invisible. Without Him nothing was made that was made. There can be no possible exception. If a thing was made, He made it. As Creator, He is, of course, superior to anything He has created. All three Persons of the Godhead were involved in the work of creation: God created the heavens and the earth(Gen. 1:1). The Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters(Gen. 1:2). All things were created through Him (Christ) and for Him(Col. 1:16b).
1:4 In Him was life. This does not simply mean that He possessed life, but that He was and is the source of life. The word here includes both physical and spiritual life. When we were born, we received physical life. When we are born again, we receive spiritual life. Both come from Him.
The life was the light of men. The same One who supplied us with life is also the light of men. He provides the guidance and direction necessary for man. It is one thing to exist, but quite another to know how to live, to know the true purpose of life, and to know the way to heaven. The same One who gave us life is the One who provides us with light for the pathway we travel.
There are seven wonderful titles of our Lord Jesus Christ in this opening chapter of the Gospel. He is called (1) the Word (vv. 1, 14); (2) the Light (vv. 5, 7); (3) the Lamb of God (vv. 29, 36); (4) the Son of God (vv. 34, 49); (5) the Christ (Messiah) (v. 41); (6) the King of Israel (v. 49); and (7) the Son of Man (v. 51). The first four titles, each of which is mentioned at least twice, seem to be universal in application. The last three titles, each of which is mentioned only once, had their first application to Israel, Gods ancient people.
1:5 The light shines in the darkness. The entrance of sin brought darkness to the minds of men. It plunged the world into darkness in the sense that men in general neither knew God nor wanted to know Him. Into this darkness the Lord Jesus camea light shining in a dark place.
The darkness did not comprehend it. This may mean that the darkness did not understand the Lord Jesus when He came into the world. Men did not realize who He really was, or why He had come. Another meaning, however, is given in the NKJV New King James Version margin: the darkness did not overcome it. Then the thought would be that mans rejection and enmity did not prevent the true light from shining.
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Hebrews 1:3 - The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven.
God stepped out of eternity and became flesh in the person of Jesus Christ, who is the EXACT REPRESENTATION of God the Father.
I therefore believe that "Jesus is God".
God stepped out of eternity and became flesh in the person of Jesus Christ, who is the EXACT REPRESENTATION of God the Father.
I therefore believe that "Jesus is God".
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do I smell a muslim here?:-?
OK, Then what do you do with the passages that say plainly Jesus is God?
John 1:14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us.
Romans 9:5 of whom are the fathers and from whom, according to the flesh, Christ came, who is over all, the eternally blessed God. Amen.
Titus 2:12 13 looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,
Hebrews 1:8 8 But to the Son He says:
"Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
John 20:28 28 And Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!"
2 pet 1:1 1 Simon Peter, a bondservant and apostle of Jesus Christ,
To those who have obtained like precious faith with us by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ:
OK, Then what do you do with the passages that say plainly Jesus is God?
John 1:14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us.
Romans 9:5 of whom are the fathers and from whom, according to the flesh, Christ came, who is over all, the eternally blessed God. Amen.
Titus 2:12 13 looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,
Hebrews 1:8 8 But to the Son He says:
"Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
John 20:28 28 And Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!"
2 pet 1:1 1 Simon Peter, a bondservant and apostle of Jesus Christ,
To those who have obtained like precious faith with us by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ:
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So I see that there is not one clear cut single statement in the Whole Bible where Jesus (pbuh) himself says, "I am God" or where he says, "worship me".
One of the people who replied quoted from john 5. I heard that if you read the Greek version of the Old Testament it is different than what Jesus said in the New Testament. So you have nothing. Secondly in the New Testament a Blind man said the exact words as Jesus i am, ego eimi, so does that make him God?
Being born before Abraham doesn’t make Jesus God. No offence but if you use that against a Muslim then they will laugh at you. We believe that The Messenger Of Allah (peace be upon him) Noor was created before everything, yet we don’t call him God. There are also some of you who haven’t really understood some of the verses that are being quoted. For example Hebrews 1:3 - The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven. Try reading the last couple of words in this verse. Im sorry but these verses that have been stated are very weak.
Ok I will give some verses from the Bible that I believe will be sufficient to say that Jesus isn’t God. They are much more stronger verses aswell. Here we go. Im using KJV.
For my Father is greater than I. John (14:28)
My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all (John 10:29)
I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me. (John 5:30)
One must admit this to his/herself. You see if Jesus (peace be upon him) hasn’t said he is God, then why do you insist on him being God? Wouldn't this be making false claims upon Jesus? Come on you have no verse at all we Jesus says "I am God" or where he says, "worship me"?
One of the people who replied quoted from john 5. I heard that if you read the Greek version of the Old Testament it is different than what Jesus said in the New Testament. So you have nothing. Secondly in the New Testament a Blind man said the exact words as Jesus i am, ego eimi, so does that make him God?
Being born before Abraham doesn’t make Jesus God. No offence but if you use that against a Muslim then they will laugh at you. We believe that The Messenger Of Allah (peace be upon him) Noor was created before everything, yet we don’t call him God. There are also some of you who haven’t really understood some of the verses that are being quoted. For example Hebrews 1:3 - The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven. Try reading the last couple of words in this verse. Im sorry but these verses that have been stated are very weak.
Ok I will give some verses from the Bible that I believe will be sufficient to say that Jesus isn’t God. They are much more stronger verses aswell. Here we go. Im using KJV.
For my Father is greater than I. John (14:28)
My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all (John 10:29)
I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me. (John 5:30)
One must admit this to his/herself. You see if Jesus (peace be upon him) hasn’t said he is God, then why do you insist on him being God? Wouldn't this be making false claims upon Jesus? Come on you have no verse at all we Jesus says "I am God" or where he says, "worship me"?
1 Corinthians 14 The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.
Deep, maybe this will help.
http://www.arabicbible.com/islam/christian_doctrine.htm
Deep, maybe this will help.
http://www.arabicbible.com/islam/christian_doctrine.htm
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My Muslim Friend. Are you blind?deep_thinking said:
Exodus 3:14 14 God said to Moses, “I-AM-WHO-I-AM. Tell the People of Israel, ‘I-AM sent me to you.’ â€Â
I AM
The name I AM was first revealed to Moses, when the Lord said, “I AM WHO I AM†(Ex 3:14). Here it signifies that the Lord is “actively present.†God’s personal name LORD (i.e., Heb. Yahweh) is evidently derived from the verbal form “I AM,†and it was to be the name by which Israel knew, remembered, and worshiped the LORD of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob (Ex 3:15; cf. 6:2–3). I AM also reveals the Lord’s eternal and self-sufficient existence and His covenant faithfulness to be with His people (Ex 3:12) and sustain them in response to their trust in Him. Jesus applied the title I AM to Himself (Jn 8:58; cf. 8:24, 28). Thereby He clearly claimed identity with the LORD of Israel (cf. Ex 3:14) and elicited the attempt of the Jewish opposers to stone Him because of alleged blasphemy (Jn 8:58 cf. 5:18; 10:30, 31, 39). Jesus’ claim of this title is also implied in other statements (e.g., Jn 8:12).
1 Cor. 15:5
26 And after eight days His disciples were again inside, and Thomas with them. Jesus came, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, “Peace to you!†27 Then He said to Thomas, “Reach your finger here, and look at My hands; and reach your hand here, and put it into My side. Do not be unbelieving, but believing.â€Â
28 And Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!â€Â
29 Jesus said to him, “Thomas, because you have seen Me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have belie
If Jesus was not God then why did Jesus not rebuke Thomas when he was called God by him? Why did Jesus accept his worship? Why was Thomas not stoned?
Please print ''what you heard'' so we can examine your claims :-? Right now I would say and call u a liar.
Of course they would seem foolish to you. How can you understand the things of God when you are well, from the devil.
In this context this would be true, for right now the father sits atop the God head and keep in mind that when Jesus said this, he said it in his humanity.
Same thing as above.
Again same as above.
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What are you blind? Look at the thread.
Tell me something. Islam is suppose to be a peacful religion right ?
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/ Then why come here and interupt the peace?
deep thinking
There are some Christians who also believe that Jesus is not God - but we do believe he is the son of God.
You see, to many who say that Jesus is God, acceptance of this notion is required in order to be a Christian. I don't however, but do accept that mankind can only be drawn to God, through Christ. And this is what Jesus said.
This then places the intiative for man's salvation in God's hands, rather than by the academic assent of any doctrine that man has devised.
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There are some Christians who also believe that Jesus is not God - but we do believe he is the son of God.
You see, to many who say that Jesus is God, acceptance of this notion is required in order to be a Christian. I don't however, but do accept that mankind can only be drawn to God, through Christ. And this is what Jesus said.
This then places the intiative for man's salvation in God's hands, rather than by the academic assent of any doctrine that man has devised.
Ed
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The simple fact that you are siding and are in agreement with a Muslim should be proof enough that you are not a Christian and you are not saved.
You are siding with someone who comes from the line of ishmael instead of the line of David.
Jesus said if you deny me before men I will deny you before the father.
Guess what. You are being denied
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Do you see what I mean, deep thinker?
Oscar - Do you agree that God is the author of life? I suspect deep thinker would.
Wouldn't you therefore be in agreement with a muslim? Yes of course, but being in agreement on one point does not mean you agree with them entirely. In fact there are probably a couple of points that you and I agree on but that doesn't make you right on all points does it?
As far as denying Jesus before men is concerned, you don't know what you are saying. And if you read the bible you will find that judgement belongs to Christ - not you.
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You have proven my point.
Mut you are so lost in your sins and tresspasses that you do not even realize that the God of Islam and the God of Christianity are NOT the same God.
So this muslim will not agree with you. Then again you and he worship the same false god :-?
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I think you are misinterpreting the verses.
Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. John 14:6
When you say that ‘No one’ can only reach the father through Christ it doesn’t mean that Jesus is God rather that you have to obey what he says because he has come as a Warner etc and he will show you the right way to God. This is getting a bit confusing now as well because some of you think that he is not the same as the father which this verse can support and some of you think that Christ is the same as the Father which this verse cannot support. Even Isaac Newton rejected the church's doctrine of the Trinity.
How many Gods or which God is it that Christians worship? Its not really simple is it. This is one of the problems people see with Christianity, they can’t get round this trinity thing. Ok lets see how many Gods trinity believers are actually worshipping.
From what I know the trinity is made up of three people right? Jesus, the Father and the Holy Spirit. So let’s says we had three people in a room and each of them is a God.
How many people (Gods) are in the room? If you’re in the right state of mind you will say 3. This is common sense.
Another Scenario. If Mutzrein, Oscar3 and Veritas work lets say at Walmart, how many workers do you have. You have 3 correct? lol.
Now lets go back to the beginning again. We have Jesus, Father and Holy Spirit. How many are there?
So How many Gods is it or which one is the God. Jesus never himself said he was God nor worhip me. So it must be the father who is God. These following verses should clarify that Jesus was a Prophet.
and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me. (John 14:24)
And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. (John 17:3)
Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. John 14:6
When you say that ‘No one’ can only reach the father through Christ it doesn’t mean that Jesus is God rather that you have to obey what he says because he has come as a Warner etc and he will show you the right way to God. This is getting a bit confusing now as well because some of you think that he is not the same as the father which this verse can support and some of you think that Christ is the same as the Father which this verse cannot support. Even Isaac Newton rejected the church's doctrine of the Trinity.
How many Gods or which God is it that Christians worship? Its not really simple is it. This is one of the problems people see with Christianity, they can’t get round this trinity thing. Ok lets see how many Gods trinity believers are actually worshipping.
From what I know the trinity is made up of three people right? Jesus, the Father and the Holy Spirit. So let’s says we had three people in a room and each of them is a God.
How many people (Gods) are in the room? If you’re in the right state of mind you will say 3. This is common sense.
Another Scenario. If Mutzrein, Oscar3 and Veritas work lets say at Walmart, how many workers do you have. You have 3 correct? lol.
Now lets go back to the beginning again. We have Jesus, Father and Holy Spirit. How many are there?
So How many Gods is it or which one is the God. Jesus never himself said he was God nor worhip me. So it must be the father who is God. These following verses should clarify that Jesus was a Prophet.
and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me. (John 14:24)
And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. (John 17:3)
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This isn't meant to be a challenge or response to anyone's post, so I hope you forgive me for just jumping right in.
How should we approach this quote? Is this to be our definition of "one"?
John 17:20-23
....And what do we do with this? I'm kind of baffled over this one.
Mark 10:18/Luke 18:19
I'll go back and read the other posts now.... sorry if I posted anything redundant.
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How should we approach this quote? Is this to be our definition of "one"?
John 17:20-23
....And what do we do with this? I'm kind of baffled over this one.
Mark 10:18/Luke 18:19
I'll go back and read the other posts now.... sorry if I posted anything redundant.
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