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Is natural selection the solution to evolution?

kathydixon

 
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Is natural selection the solution to evolution?
I have been doing a review on how we and all the other creatures on this planet evolved and I have come to a surprising conclusion.
The current accepted theory is natural selection. The originator of this theory was Charles Darwine.
Charles Darwin (1809-1882) and Alfred Russel Wallace (1823-1913) are jointly credited with coming up with the theory of evolution by natural selection, having co-published on it in 1858. Darwin has generally overshadowed Wallace since the publication of On the Origin of Species in 1859, however.
Natural selection is a mechanism of evolution. Organisms that are more adapted to their environment are more likely to survive and pass on the genes that aided their success. This process causes species to change and diverge over time.
https://tinyurl.com/2p9cdbw8
natural selection, process that results in the adaptation of an organism to its environment by means of selectively reproducing changes in its genotype, or genetic constitution.
https://www.britannica.com/science/natural-selection
This theory is simple and easy to accept and even taught in our public schools and yet I believe it is flawed.
The idea that humans evolved from monkeys to humans falls on it’s face when these very same monkeys are still swinging from the trees today. The only way to accept this theory is to believe a mutation occurred and this mutation evolved into the humans of today. To accept this defies the idea of “natural selection”.
Setting aside natural selection and looking for alternatives I looked at the basic building blocks of all living things on this planet, DNA.
What is DNA?
DNA, or deoxyribonucleic acid
, is the hereditary material in humans and almost all other organisms. Nearly every cell in a person’s body has the same DNA. Most DNA is located in the cell nucleus (where it is called nuclear DNA), but a small amount of DNA can also be found in the mitochondria (where it is called mitochondrial DNA or mtDNA). Mitochondria are structures within cells that convert the energy from food into a form that cells can use.
The information in DNA is stored as a code made up of four chemical bases: adenine (A), guanine (G), cytosine (C), and thymine (T). Human DNA consists of about 3 billion bases, and more than 99 percent of those bases are the same in all people. The order, or sequence, of these bases determines the information available for building and maintaining an organism, similar to the way in which letters of the alphabet appear in a certain order to form words and sentences.
DNA bases pair up with each other, A with T and C with G, to form units called base pairs. Each base is also attached to a sugar molecule and a phosphate molecule. Together, a base, sugar, and phosphate are called a nucleotide. Nucleotides are arranged in two long strands that form a spiral called a double helix. The structure of the double helix is somewhat like a ladder, with the base pairs forming the ladder’s rungs and the sugar and phosphate molecules forming the vertical sidepieces of the ladder.

An important property of DNA is that it can replicate, or make copies of itself. Each strand of DNA in the double helix can serve as a pattern for duplicating the sequence of bases. This is critical when cells divide because each new cell needs to have an exact copy of the DNA present in the old cell.
To understand the above I had to accept the idea that such a structure developed from a planet that was nothing more that a large ball of molten rock that cooled down leaving a thin shell that is referred to as earth’s crust. From this crust DNA evolved. I find this hard to believe. Making it even harder to believe is the fact that DNA is just a small component from a much more complex structure called chromosomes.
A chromosome is a DNA molecule packaged into thread-like structures. Each chromosome is made up of DNA tightly coiled many times around proteins called histones that support its structure.
Chromosomes are not visible in the cell’s nucleus—not even under a microscope—when the cell is not dividing. However, the DNA that makes up chromosomes becomes more tightly packed during cell division and is then visible under a microscope. Most of
what researchers know about chromosomes was learned by observing chromosomes during cell division.
Each chromosome has a constriction point called the centromere, which divides the chromosome into two sections, or “arms.” The short arm of the chromosome is labeled the “p arm.” The long arm of the chromosome is labeled the “q arm.” The location of the centromere on each chromosome gives the chromosome its characteristic shape, and can be used to help describe the location of specific genes.

https://tinyurl.com/2fwfscm7
How can a structure as complex as a chromosome come from the earths crust? This question puzzled me until I looked a little further. The above structure did not come about by natural selection but rather purposefully selection. Humans are doing this today, calling it cloning.
Cloning is a technique scientists use to make exact genetic copies of living things. Genes, cells, tissues, and even whole animals can all be cloned. ... In humans, identical twins are similar to clones. They share almost the exact same genes. Identical twins are created when a fertilized egg splits in two.
Scientists also make clones in the lab. They often clone genes in order to study and better understand them. To clone a gene, researchers take DNA from a living creature and insert it into a carrier like bacteria or yeast. Every time that carrier reproduces, a new copy of the gene is made.
Animals are cloned in one of two ways. The first is alled embryo twinning. Scientists first split an embryo in half. Those two halves are then placed in a mother’s uterus. Each part of the embryo develops into a unique animal, and the two animals share the same genes. The second method is called somatic cell nuclear transfer. Somatic cells are all the cells that make up an organism, but that are not sperm or egg cells. Sperm and egg cells contain only one set of chromosomes, and when they join during fertilization, the mother’s chromosomes merge with the father’s. Somatic cells, on the other hand, already contain two full sets of chromosomes. To make a clone, scientists transfer the DNA from an animal’s somatic cell into an egg cell that has had its nucleus and DNA removed. The egg develops into an embryo that contains the same genes as the cell donor. Then the embryo is implanted into an adult female’s uterus to grow.
In 1996, Scottish scientists cloned the first animal, a sheep they named Dolly. She was cloned using an udder cell taken from an adult sheep. Since then, scientists have cloned cows, cats, deer, horses, and rabbits. They still have not cloned a human, though. In part, this is because it is difficult to produce a viable clone. In each attempt, there can be genetic mistakes that prevent the clone from surviving. It took scientists 276 attempts to get Dolly right. There are also ethical concerns about cloning a human being.
https://tinyurl.com/yckwwnph
To cap this all off I have concluded that the human race will use cloning to remove our acceptability to diseases. Humans will eliminate the flaws that cause us to age and even “select” our size, improving our seeing, hearing, and thinking ability. We will clone ourselves into the perfect human being capable of exploring the universe around us. This all did not come from natural selection. I believe the components that evolved into what we are today was deliberate, our planet was seeded by outsiders who have been watching our development from afar. Someday, maybe sooner rather than later “they” will make themselves known and then we will join them exploring the infinite universe around us.


That is unless we destroy ourselves first.
What do you think?
 
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Natural selection is a mechanism of evolution. Organisms that are more adapted to their environment are more likely to survive and pass on the genes that aided their success. This process causes species to change and diverge over time.

Sorry but all this means is if, if there is the genetic diversity in a creature, it can adapt to a degree.
It does not explain how new genetic information can arise or how that information was first created.

Please study the problems of biogenesis.
Namely the need for 100% pure left handed chemicals that have to be protected from water and ultra violet light.
 
Sorry but all this means is if, if there is the genetic diversity in a creature, it can adapt to a degree.
It does not explain how new genetic information can arise or how that information was first created.
You left out human cloning. It is real and going on today.
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Sorry but all this means is if, if there is the genetic diversity in a creature, it can adapt to a degree.
It does not explain how new genetic information can arise or how that information was first created.
That's because natural selection and the theory of evolution describe population mechanics and lineage.

Greggor Mendel discovered the genetic underlying to how mutations worked and it has been expanded on since.

The theory of evolution is not ment to explain the origins of life, but the origins of species and how populations change and adapt.
Please study the problems of biogenesis.
Namely the need for 100% pure left handed chemicals that have to be protected from water and ultra violet light.
I think you mean abiogenesis. That also deals with the origin of life and the theory of Evolution deals with the origin of species.
 
Great thread Kathydixon. I was reading through your post and noticed you were claiming that humans evolved from monkies that are still around today. That is a common misconception.

Modern monkies are considered new world monkies, and all apes, hominids (human ancestors), and new world monkies seperated off of old world monies.


It's easier to see modern monkies like 5th cousins, apes as like 4th cousins, great apes like 3rd cousins, chimps and bonabos as our 2nd cousins, other hominid lines like Neanderthal as 1st cousins, and then cromagnum as our siblings.

Lol, had to edit because my auto correct kept. Hanging monkies to monies. XD
 
Maybe Monkeys have been evolving since they were created?
Maybe MilkDrops is descended from monkies, or maybe you are?

I'm not. All that evolution stuff has been thoroughly debunked. It does make for some amusing reading though. Just be careful and don't fall into it and start believing Darwin's tripe. :wink
 
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Great thread Kathydixon. I was reading through your post and noticed you were claiming that humans evolved from monkies that are still around today. That is a common misconception.
Actually, I was not claiming that humans evolved from monkeys. This points to a real flaw in my original post. I was pointing out how complicated DNA & chromosomes are, and that natural selection can not account for the vast diversity of living things on this planet, from animals, fish, birds, plants and insects. I do not believe natural selection explains this vast diversity.
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Actually, I was not claiming that humans evolved from monkeys. This points to a real flaw in my original post. I was pointing out how complicated DNA & chromosomes are, and that natural selection can not account for the vast diversity of living things on this planet, from animals, fish, birds, plants and insects. I do not believe natural selection explains this vast diversity.
Ok, sorry I misunderstood you. I do recommend read8ng more works on genetics and where modern biology accepts the origins.
 
Ok, sorry I misunderstood you. I do recommend read8ng more works on genetics and where modern biology accepts the origins.
Included in my post was a reference to cloning pointing out the possibility of cloning humans in an effort to improve the human genome beyond what mother nature could do.

Any comments on cloning the human genome?
I also pointed out that “natural selection” can not account for the complexity of the diverse creatures on this planet.
 
It does make for some amusing reading though.
Here is some more amusing reading. This is about Jesus
 
Included in my post was a reference to cloning pointing out the possibility of cloning humans in an effort to improve the human genome beyond what mother nature could do.

Any comments on cloning the human genome?
I also pointed out that “natural selection” can not account for the complexity of the diverse creatures on this planet.
I see cloning as interesting as a means of giving people the ability to have children when they otherwise could not. Improving the human genome sound way to close to eugenics for my tastes and I would need to hear a really good argument for it if I was to get behind it.
 
Here is some more amusing reading. This is about Jesus

I've read that before. That's sort've what it says happened before the crucifixion. The Romans was prolly scared that the Democrats would riot in Seattle unless they crucified Jesus, so they did. Those dumb Romans. They had the one guy who could make good wine out of water alone...so they kill Him! Dummies!
 
human genome sound way to close to eugenics for my tastes and I would need to hear a really good argument for it if I was to get behind it.


I believe it is heading our way, at least for your grandchildren and beyond.

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I believe it is heading our way, at least for your grandchildren and beyond.

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I think it's a scare whenever we make any kind of advancement in genetics. Right now the issue would be inserting genes into the genome and figuring out a way to force them on. Epigenetics starts messing with predetermination based on environment. Plus there is issues with certain characteristics being x and y chromosome dependant. It's possible, but I think we are far away with the ability.
 
Is natural selection the solution to evolution?
I have been doing a review on how we and all the other creatures on this planet evolved and I have come to a surprising conclusion.
The current accepted theory is natural selection. The originator of this theory was Charles Darwine.
Charles Darwin (1809-1882) and Alfred Russel Wallace (1823-1913) are jointly credited with coming up with the theory of evolution by natural selection, having co-published on it in 1858. Darwin has generally overshadowed Wallace since the publication of On the Origin of Species in 1859, however.
Natural selection is a mechanism of evolution. Organisms that are more adapted to their environment are more likely to survive and pass on the genes that aided their success. This process causes species to change and diverge over time.
https://tinyurl.com/2p9cdbw8
natural selection, process that results in the adaptation of an organism to its environment by means of selectively reproducing changes in its genotype, or genetic constitution.
https://www.britannica.com/science/natural-selection
This theory is simple and easy to accept and even taught in our public schools and yet I believe it is flawed.
The idea that humans evolved from monkeys to humans falls on it’s face when these very same monkeys are still swinging from the trees today. The only way to accept this theory is to believe a mutation occurred and this mutation evolved into the humans of today. To accept this defies the idea of “natural selection”.
Setting aside natural selection and looking for alternatives I looked at the basic building blocks of all living things on this planet, DNA.
What is DNA?
DNA, or deoxyribonucleic acid
, is the hereditary material in humans and almost all other organisms. Nearly every cell in a person’s body has the same DNA. Most DNA is located in the cell nucleus (where it is called nuclear DNA), but a small amount of DNA can also be found in the mitochondria (where it is called mitochondrial DNA or mtDNA). Mitochondria are structures within cells that convert the energy from food into a form that cells can use.
The information in DNA is stored as a code made up of four chemical bases: adenine (A), guanine (G), cytosine (C), and thymine (T). Human DNA consists of about 3 billion bases, and more than 99 percent of those bases are the same in all people. The order, or sequence, of these bases determines the information available for building and maintaining an organism, similar to the way in which letters of the alphabet appear in a certain order to form words and sentences.
DNA bases pair up with each other, A with T and C with G, to form units called base pairs. Each base is also attached to a sugar molecule and a phosphate molecule. Together, a base, sugar, and phosphate are called a nucleotide. Nucleotides are arranged in two long strands that form a spiral called a double helix. The structure of the double helix is somewhat like a ladder, with the base pairs forming the ladder’s rungs and the sugar and phosphate molecules forming the vertical sidepieces of the ladder.

An important property of DNA is that it can replicate, or make copies of itself. Each strand of DNA in the double helix can serve as a pattern for duplicating the sequence of bases. This is critical when cells divide because each new cell needs to have an exact copy of the DNA present in the old cell.
To understand the above I had to accept the idea that such a structure developed from a planet that was nothing more that a large ball of molten rock that cooled down leaving a thin shell that is referred to as earth’s crust. From this crust DNA evolved. I find this hard to believe. Making it even harder to believe is the fact that DNA is just a small component from a much more complex structure called chromosomes.
A chromosome is a DNA molecule packaged into thread-like structures. Each chromosome is made up of DNA tightly coiled many times around proteins called histones that support its structure.
Chromosomes are not visible in the cell’s nucleus—not even under a microscope—when the cell is not dividing. However, the DNA that makes up chromosomes becomes more tightly packed during cell division and is then visible under a microscope. Most of
what researchers know about chromosomes was learned by observing chromosomes during cell division.
Each chromosome has a constriction point called the centromere, which divides the chromosome into two sections, or “arms.” The short arm of the chromosome is labeled the “p arm.” The long arm of the chromosome is labeled the “q arm.” The location of the centromere on each chromosome gives the chromosome its characteristic shape, and can be used to help describe the location of specific genes.

https://tinyurl.com/2fwfscm7
How can a structure as complex as a chromosome come from the earths crust? This question puzzled me until I looked a little further. The above structure did not come about by natural selection but rather purposefully selection. Humans are doing this today, calling it cloning.
Cloning is a technique scientists use to make exact genetic copies of living things. Genes, cells, tissues, and even whole animals can all be cloned. ... In humans, identical twins are similar to clones. They share almost the exact same genes. Identical twins are created when a fertilized egg splits in two.
Scientists also make clones in the lab. They often clone genes in order to study and better understand them. To clone a gene, researchers take DNA from a living creature and insert it into a carrier like bacteria or yeast. Every time that carrier reproduces, a new copy of the gene is made.
Animals are cloned in one of two ways. The first is alled embryo twinning. Scientists first split an embryo in half. Those two halves are then placed in a mother’s uterus. Each part of the embryo develops into a unique animal, and the two animals share the same genes. The second method is called somatic cell nuclear transfer. Somatic cells are all the cells that make up an organism, but that are not sperm or egg cells. Sperm and egg cells contain only one set of chromosomes, and when they join during fertilization, the mother’s chromosomes merge with the father’s. Somatic cells, on the other hand, already contain two full sets of chromosomes. To make a clone, scientists transfer the DNA from an animal’s somatic cell into an egg cell that has had its nucleus and DNA removed. The egg develops into an embryo that contains the same genes as the cell donor. Then the embryo is implanted into an adult female’s uterus to grow.
In 1996, Scottish scientists cloned the first animal, a sheep they named Dolly. She was cloned using an udder cell taken from an adult sheep. Since then, scientists have cloned cows, cats, deer, horses, and rabbits. They still have not cloned a human, though. In part, this is because it is difficult to produce a viable clone. In each attempt, there can be genetic mistakes that prevent the clone from surviving. It took scientists 276 attempts to get Dolly right. There are also ethical concerns about cloning a human being.
https://tinyurl.com/yckwwnph
To cap this all off I have concluded that the human race will use cloning to remove our acceptability to diseases. Humans will eliminate the flaws that cause us to age and even “select” our size, improving our seeing, hearing, and thinking ability. We will clone ourselves into the perfect human being capable of exploring the universe around us. This all did not come from natural selection. I believe the components that evolved into what we are today was deliberate, our planet was seeded by outsiders who have been watching our development from afar. Someday, maybe sooner rather than later “they” will make themselves known and then we will join them exploring the infinite universe around us.


That is unless we destroy ourselves first.
What do you think?


Here is how mankind was created.


Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.” So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. Genesis 1:26-27



Any other theory is not from God.






JLB
 
think you mean abiogenesis. That also deals with the origin of life and the theory of Evolution deals with the origin of species.

And without the first there is no second.

Even assuming that life started, evolution has not explained or demonstrated how new genetic information arises.
 
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