Is Obama a Religious Man ??

[nonbelieverforums]

[youtube:qrhwvuuf]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hi-V_ilJu0w[/youtube:qrhwvuuf]

 

[destiny]

We can know him by his fruit and his fruit tells me that his father is the devil, and the devil is religious.

 

[Matthew24:34]

LOL! I noticed this statement at the bottom of NBF's posts--"This will be the generation that will see the Second Coming of Christ and I can prove it!"

One must wonder what he means by "this generation?" Didn't Jesus use that expression? Didn't He mean some other generation than his own according to dispensationalists? I guess NBF is warning us that some very distant generation thousands of years from now will see the Second Coming?

 

[nonbelieverforums]

LOL! I noticed this statement at the bottom of NBF's posts--"This will be the generation that will see the Second Coming of Christ and I can prove it!"

One must wonder what he means by "this generation?" Didn't Jesus use that expression? Didn't He mean some other generation than his own according to dispensationalists? I guess NBF is warning us that some very distant generation thousands of years from now will see the Second Coming?

No very simple matthew "this generation" meaning our lifetime. "I can prove it" ? I've been doing that by showing the modern day signs as they relate to scripture. You've have been trying to silence that at every opportunity.

full preterists are the scoffers of the end times. They not only say, “Where is this coming.†They deny that the coming will ever happen. To a small degree, there have been scoffers that are not in the Church. But they have been few. Most people outside the church pay little attention the timing of Christ’s return. The real scoffers are the full preterists within the Church of this generation.

This was from the other post you were trying to ignore.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

OK I'll play.
Which passages of scripture should guide the US goverments public policy?
Before casting your stones.Think about the question Obama asked.
Personally I dont think the US goverment would make a good judge of the earth but if you really want it to play God ,then go ahead and say so.

 

[destiny]

the question was, "is Obama a religious man"?

 

[nonbelieverforums]

I was not suggesting that the bible should guide public U.S. policy (it would be nice but very unlikely).

I was asking more towards Obama and his religious views.

 

[Ed the Ned]

Not in the Christian sense, in fact he rides and manipulates the Christians to suit his own objectives. The mere thought that "Christian" voted for him makes me sick. He has been an advocate for abortion and has even supported partial birth abortions. Worst of all is that it gets disguised as women rights. Please until "Christians" wake up, the world leaders will become more evil and more powerful. In South Africa the president has 4 wives, has been charged, but found not guilty, for rape of a women with HIV. (He had a shower afterwards so that he would not contract HIV) He was facing charges of corruption and fraud, which was dropped just prior to the election????? Still people voted for him. I do not live in a Christian country but my walk with God is not obstructed by goverment YET! We need to watch out, we were warned of these things in the Bible. Obama is not a man of God and should not be seen as some saviour to America, but what is has shown me is that oneday the Anti Christ can get the world to support him so easily. We are gullible fools.
May God Bless you and keep you safe.

 

[nonbelieverforums]

Not in the Christian sense, in fact he rides and manipulates the Christians to suit his own objectives. The mere thought that "Christian" voted for him makes me sick. He has been an advocate for abortion and has even supported partial birth abortions. Worst of all is that it gets disguised as women rights. Please until "Christians" wake up, the world leaders will become more evil and more powerful. In South Africa the president has 4 wives, has been charged, but found not guilty, for rape of a women with HIV. (He had a shower afterwards so that he would not contract HIV) He was facing charges of corruption and fraud, which was dropped just prior to the election????? Still people voted for him. I do not live in a Christian country but my walk with God is not obstructed by goverment YET! We need to watch out, we were warned of these things in the Bible. Obama is not a man of God and should not be seen as some saviour to America, but what is has shown me is that oneday the Anti Christ can get the world to support him so easily. We are gullible fools.
May God Bless you and keep you safe.

Amen !

 

[relientk65]

I do notlike Obama.....i do not like his views......and i especially do not like him mocking the Bible! :mad

 

[Shilohsfoal]

I was not suggesting that the bible should guide public U.S. policy (it would be nice but very unlikely).

I was asking more towards Obama and his religious views.

So why put that video up?
He says nothing of his religious views in it.He does however ask a question .
The video has nothing to do with the question your asking.
Some people think the president of the US as well as the US goverment itself should rule this country as God would rule it but I got news for all of you.The president and the US goverment is not God nor should it pretend to be.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

I do notlike Obama.....i do not like his views......and i especially do not like him mocking the Bible! :mad

He didnt mock the bible.
Have you even read the bible?

 

[Ed the Ned]

He didnt mock the bible.

He mocks the Bible every day when he claims to be a Christian. I know the question was not asked of me, but I do read my Bible, daily, and I ask for Gods guidance daily. Daily I am reminded that my actions should be a carbon copy of my beliefs. There is no way that Obama can claim to be a Christian while he supports the murder of innocent babies. If this is not enough for you why not look at this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnmS_vULPxw
and make your assumptions from there.
May God Bless you and open your eyes to this ungodly man and even more so may God work in the life of Obama so he can see his evil ways and repent.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

He didnt mock the bible.

He mocks the Bible every day when he claims to be a Christian. I know the question was not asked of me, but I do read my Bible, daily, and I ask for Gods guidance daily. Daily I am reminded that my actions should be a carbon copy of my beliefs. There is no way that Obama can claim to be a Christian while he supports the murder of innocent babies. If this is not enough for you why not look at this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnmS_vULPxw
and make your assumptions from there.
May God Bless you and open your eyes to this ungodly man and even more so may God work in the life of Obama so he can see his evil ways and repent.

Ok, where in the bible does it say that if someone calls themself a christian and they are not that they are mocking the bible?There are alot of people who kill people.Why is it a sin to kill babies but it is not a sin to kill a man?Does the bible say that it is not a sin to kill a bad man?

 

[Ed the Ned]

Ok, where in the bible does it say that if someone calls themselves a Christian and they are not that they are mocking the bible? There are a lot of people who kill people. Why is it a sin to kill babies but it is not a sin to kill a man? Does the bible say that it is not a sin to kill a bad man?

Shocking, I am seriously shocked at your comments:
This post had nothing to do with that, it was asking if Obama was a religious man. My answer was "NO" not in the Christian way.

Where did I say it was not a sin to kill a man. I cannot believe you are comparing the murder of millions of unborn children to the death penalty ( If that was the comparison). Jesus did not instruct the Pharisee’s to stop stoning the woman by attacking the right to do so, he just questioned the judgment of the accusers to there own sin. They stopped themselves. Jesus gave us an example of Gods Grace that we should show to others.
I hope you are not pro-choice or have any links to Planned Parenthood. You cannot compare the murder of innocent unborn, yet living, children to killing of a grown man for crimes committed in the first place.(There is a need for social justice).I cannot find a chapter in the New Testament stopping the authorities administering the death penalty.

Please take the time to google partial birth abortion, something your new president has no objection to. As a leader, prior to his election, he advocated the rights of women to abort their unwanted children. He made them god over the life of their children as freedom to choose. He promotes Planned Parenthood. What is planned parent hood if the child is not be too born, it should be planned non-parenthood. It’s just another injustice slipped under the rug to most Christians who are being deceived by “Changeâ€Â. HOW MANY CHRISTIANS VOTED FOR HIM BECAUSE OF HIS DECEPTION HE WAS A CHRISTIAN. AND WOULD UPHOLD CHRISTIAN VALUES IN OFFICE.

DECEPTION BY MOCKING THE BIBLE
DECEPTION BY CLAIMING TO BE A CHRISTIAN


Let’s have a look at the definition of mocking: Imitating, esp. in derision, or so as to cause derision; mimicking;

Firstly: In 2 Peter chapter 2 vs. 1 - 2 "BUT there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of."

You may ask yourself how he can be a false teacher. He has already aligned himself with the thinking of Oprah that there are many ways to heaven, is that Biblical “NO†. Who do you thing a false teacher is? Is he someone that teachers the truth, or some one that teacher falsely and mocks the original message for his own gain.

There are many other verses in the Bible that warn us not to misuse Gods Word (Now known to Christians as the BIBLE) for our own devices, this leads to people believing God is a liar and is deceptive in allowing the true word of God to be preached to the Nations of the World. (eg The Roman Catholic papacy has deceived countless over the years and the true believers in the Gospel of Jesus Christ have taken the fall for it as it was wrongfully put in the category, “defending the Christian faithâ€Â

Obama has a dangerous and deceitful, and a great way to manipulate his words to get the support of countless American Christians. He mocks (imitates the words of the bible) to gain personal support for things that are evil and detestable in the eyes on God. When his time as president ends it will be the true Christian that suffers his failures as a “Christianâ€Â.

This is my understanding of what I see and what I believe and if your convictions lead you to a different understanding I pray it will all be well with you .I pray that The Lord Jesus Christ will bless you and your family in all that they do as the Holy Spirit will guide you.

 

[Ed the Ned]

Ok, where in the bible does it say that if someone calls themselves a Christian and they are not that they are mocking the bible? There are a lot of people who kill people. Why is it a sin to kill babies but it is not a sin to kill a man? Does the bible say that it is not a sin to kill a bad man?

Shocking, I am seriously shocked at your comments:
This post had nothing to do with that, it was asking if Obama was a religious man. My answer was "NO" not in the Christian way.

Where did I say it was not a sin to kill a man. I cannot believe you are comparing the murder of millions of unborn children to the death penalty ( If that was the comparison). Jesus did not instruct the Pharisee’s to stop stoning the woman by attacking the right to do so, he just questioned the judgment of the accusers to there own sin. They stopped themselves. Jesus gave us an example of Gods Grace that we should show to others.
I hope you are not pro-choice or have any links to Planned Parenthood. You cannot compare the murder of innocent unborn, yet living, children to killing of a grown man for crimes committed in the first place.(There is a need for social justice).I cannot find a chapter in the New Testament stopping the authorities administering the death penalty.

Please take the time to google partial birth abortion, something your new president has no objection to. As a leader, prior to his election, he advocated the rights of women to abort their unwanted children. He made them god over the life of their children as freedom to choose. He promotes Planned Parenthood. What is planned parent hood if the child is not be too born, it should be planned non-parenthood. It’s just another injustice slipped under the rug to most Christians who are being deceived by “Changeâ€Â. HOW MANY CHRISTIANS VOTED FOR HIM BECAUSE OF HIS DECEPTION HE WAS A CHRISTIAN. AND WOULD UPHOLD CHRISTIAN VALUES IN OFFICE.

DECEPTION BY MOCKING THE BIBLE
DECEPTION BY CLAIMING TO BE A CHRISTIAN


Let’s have a look at the definition of mocking: Imitating, esp. in derision, or so as to cause derision; mimicking;

Firstly: In 2 Peter chapter 2 vs. 1 - 2 "BUT there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of."

You may ask yourself how he can be a false teacher. He has already aligned himself with the thinking of Oprah that there are many ways to heaven, is that Biblical “NO†. Who do you thing a false teacher is? Is he someone that teachers the truth, or some one that teacher falsely and mocks the original message for his own gain.

There are many other verses in the Bible that warn us not to misuse Gods Word (Now known to Christians as the BIBLE) for our own devices, this leads to people believing God is a liar and is deceptive in allowing the true word of God to be preached to the Nations of the World. (eg The Roman Catholic papacy has deceived countless over the years and the true believers in the Gospel of Jesus Christ have taken the fall for it, as it was wrongfully put in the category, “defending the Christian faithâ€Â

Obama has a dangerous and deceitful, and a great way to manipulate his words to get the support of countless American Christians. He mocks (imitates the words of the bible) to gain personal support for things that are evil and detestable in the eyes on God. When his time as president ends it will be the true Christian that suffers his failures as a “Christianâ€Â.

This is my understanding of what I see and what I believe and if your convictions lead you to a different understanding I pray it will all be well with you .I pray that The Lord Jesus Christ will bless you and your family in all that they do as the Holy Spirit will guide you.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

You cannot compare the murder of innocent unborn, yet living, children to killing of a grown man for crimes committed in the first place.(There is a need for social justice).I cannot find a chapter in the New Testament stopping the authorities administering the death penalty.

I compare killing with killing.
You say its ok to kill one person because you say say he should die.
You say its not ok to kill another person because you say he should live.
Who made you God?

 

[Ed the Ned]

Thankyou for your response, but I am a little confused at your point of view at the moment. You have not responded to the mocking of the Bible so I accept you are in agreement then that Obama mocks the Bible and the Christian faith. Killing and murder are two different things all together. I live in a country where there is no death penalty. Since the decision was taken to remove the death penalty countless South Africans have lost their lives to brutal and savage attacks.When the murderer is caught he spents the next 25 years in a prison that allows him the privilage of watching TV, Studying and LIVING A LIFE, a life that he took from another in a fashion you or any of us could not comprehend. Without a justice system that will deter these crimials, the murdering will continue (Unfortunalty the death penalty). Do you think GOD smiles on these actions of these murders. If someone is trying to kill me and I kill them in self defence is that the same as killing an unborn child. Abortions are only committed because society has lost its way and instead of trying to follow Gods Word society looks for the easy way out.
ABORTION = MURDER (yet its legal).
Do you support abortion? Do you support Obama? ( SAME QUESTION )
OBAMA IS NOT A CHRISTIAN, HIS ACTIONS TELL US THIS AND WE SHOULD NOT LEAN ON HIS EARTHLY WISDOM.
May God Bless you and your family

 

[Matthew24:34]

Obama is indeed a religious man. But no religion has ever brought anyone near to God. Religion is merely man's attempt to make himself worthy through his own works. Only a relationship with Christ brings one near to God.

As an full-blown activist, pro-abortion advocate, Obama is complicite in the deaths of million of babies because of his beliefs and actions. There are people on death row at this very moment (and justifiably so) because they were only accomplices in a murder. Are those who put murderers on death row playing God as they are so often accused of doing? No! Consider:

Numbers 35:30--WHOEVER kills a person, the MURDERER shall be put to death on the TESTIMONY OF WITNESSES." He shall SURELY be put to death! (verse31).

It is clear also from Exodus 21 that the killing of an unborn child is a very serious thing in the eyes of God. The situation in Exodus 21 that required the death of the one causing the death of the unborn child involved an accidental situation and not the deliberate taking of the innocent life. How much more contemptible does God find the widespread, intentional murder of the unborn in our day?

It is the height of a total lack of logic that allows one to not see the distinction here. It is totally fitting and proper for society to take the life of one who willingly, maliciously, and with pre-meditation takes the life of another. To believe in such a God-given mandate is not in opposition to advocating for the protection of the most innocent in the womb! Perhaps the most consistent thing is to call for the death penalty for abortion doctors! I see no difference between him/her and the despicable murderers on death row. One is protected; they other is not, but they are both the same! The similarity is in the motivation and the pre-meditation. Even those who murder in the heat of passion or argument are often given life instead of death. It is the pre-meditation that justifies the death of the perpetrator. Who does more pre-meditation than an abortion doctor? It is a rare vile murderer who writes down his plotted killing in his appointment calendar. And murders are often committed without any hopes of financial gain. The abortion doctor does all of his vile deeds for money at a prearranged and calculated time!

No true Christian can be pro-abortion and certainly no true Christian can advocate the pulling of an unborn child by the feet from its mother's womb, the painful inserting of an instrument into the base of its skull, and the sucking out of the unborn child's brain in order to shrink its head so that its dead body can be delivered. Furthermore, no Christian should favor the dumping of a newborn into a closet to be left to die all alone! These are the positions of the "Christian" Obama for whom so many "Christians" voted! Did you sacrifice the innocent for some promised betterment for your own lives? Shame on you!

Matthew24:34

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Thankyou for your response, but I am a little confused at your point of view at the moment. You have not responded to the mocking of the Bible so I accept you are in agreement then that Obama mocks the Bible and the Christian faith. Killing and murder are two different things all together. I live in a country where there is no death penalty. Since the decision was taken to remove the death penalty countless South Africans have lost their lives to brutal and savage attacks.When the murderer is caught he spents the next 25 years in a prison that allows him the privilage of watching TV, Studying and LIVING A LIFE, a life that he took from another in a fashion you or any of us could not comprehend. Without a justice system that will deter these crimials, the murdering will continue (Unfortunalty the death penalty). Do you think GOD smiles on these actions of these murders. If someone is trying to kill me and I kill them in self defence is that the same as killing an unborn child. Abortions are only committed because society has lost its way and instead of trying to follow Gods Word society looks for the easy way out.
ABORTION = MURDER (yet its legal).
Do you support abortion? Do you support Obama? ( SAME QUESTION )
OBAMA IS NOT A CHRISTIAN, HIS ACTIONS TELL US THIS AND WE SHOULD NOT LEAN ON HIS EARTHLY WISDOM.
May God Bless you and your family

I would say Obama is as much a christian as Bush or any other US president in my lifetime.
Maybe if Obama started a war then people would believe hes born again like they say Mr Bush is.

Obama is not pro abortion.
He is pro choice.
If he were for abortion,he wouldnt have any children.

Just because Obama believes the US goverment shouldnt force a woman to bare a child doesnt mean he wants every woman to kill her unborn child.What you neglect to see is the choice.Did you know God gives some men the choice who they would serve?Just because he might give men a choice doesnt mean God supports the wrong choice.