Is praying to Jesus appropriate?

[watchman F]

That article was dumb (sorry for being blunt). Someone trying to weasel out of what scripture says. God's name is Jesus, and in the name Jesus inhabits all the attributes of God including Eternal Father, and the rest.

Jesus is not God's name, it is God the Son's name.

Maybe you should read Matthew 28:19, and then study Acts and find out how the Apostles baptized people. You will see that the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost have but one singular name, and that name is Jesus.

 

[glorydaz]

That article was dumb (sorry for being blunt). Someone trying to weasel out of what scripture says. God's name is Jesus, and in the name Jesus inhabits all the attributes of God including Eternal Father, and the rest.

Jesus is not God's name, it is God the Son's name.

Isaiah is not an isolated verse, and it isn't mistranlated, either. Young's shows no such thing. Scripture is replete with evidence if people really cared to look at verses they've just taken for granted. It's almost like He's seen as a lesser God. There is only One God...just where does that leave our Lord and Saviour? He was the Son while on earth and until he delivers up the kingdom to the Father. The work of Redemption was performed by God...through the Son by the Spirit, and there is only one King of King and Lord of Lords. One God. Emmanuel (God with us).

We see Father and Redeemer are the same.

Doubtless thou art our father, though Abraham be ignorant of us, and Israel acknowledge us not: thou, O LORD, art our father, our redeemer; thy name is from everlasting.

And the Father calls Jesus "God",

But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

He calls Himself the Alpha and the Omega...the Almighty.

I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

There is only One God. Jesus is the Word of God and He was God in the beginning

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

The Word was God...and became flesh and dwelt among us.

And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Christ is the wisdom and power of God.

But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

We see God our Saviour....and the appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ, who gave Himself for us. This is speaking of the return of Jesus...the blessed hope.

Not purloining, but shewing all good fidelity; that they may adorn the doctrine of God our Saviour in all things. For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

Jesus created all things...that makes Him the Creator. I find it strange that people can say there is only one God and not see that same God became flesh and dwelt among us.

 

[JudaicChristian]

I ask this because my husband is very opposed to praying to Jesus. My husband feels that by giving us the model of the Lord's Prayer, Jesus is telling us not to pray to him but to the Father.

Yahshua,s instructions were that we pray to the Father.

 

[glorydaz]

I ask this because my husband is very opposed to praying to Jesus. My husband feels that by giving us the model of the Lord's Prayer, Jesus is telling us not to pray to him but to the Father.

Yahshua,s instructions were that we pray to the Father.

Of course, He was still in the flesh. What was He supposed to say...pray to me, when He was still in the form of a man? He had not risen to the throne nor yet returned to the glory he'd had in the beginning. He has returned to glory...He is in the bosom of the Father.

Here He is...He calls Himself the Almighty.

I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. ... a great voice, as of a trumpet, Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: .... one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle. His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire; And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters. And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength. And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

And here we see the "Ancient of days"....

I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.

When God spoke to Moses, His countenance, too, was as the sun.

We see the God of Israel....His voice was like a noise of many waters, and the earth shined with His glory.

Afterward he brought me to the gate, even the gate that looketh toward the east: And, behold, the glory of the God of Israel came from the way of the east: and his voice was like a noise of many waters: and the earth shined with his glory.

 

[Free]

Jesus created all things...that makes Him the Creator. I find it strange that people can say there is only one God and not see that same God became flesh and dwelt among us.

And I find it strange that you addressed that post towards me.

 

[glorydaz]

Jesus created all things...that makes Him the Creator. I find it strange that people can say there is only one God and not see that same God became flesh and dwelt among us.

And I find it strange that you addressed that post towards me.

I didn't mean to...you were just in a convenient spot. Sorry.

 

[Mysteryman]

That article was dumb (sorry for being blunt). Someone trying to weasel out of what scripture says. God's name is Jesus, and in the name Jesus inhabits all the attributes of God including Eternal Father, and the rest.

Jesus is not God's name, it is God the Son's name.

Hi

Actually, according to my studies, and of course, one other source. The name "Jesus" is associated with his flesh line -- thus the name Jesus is in relation to the meaning -- "son of man".

Christ is the name associated with his seed line from his Father ---- "Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God".

This is why there is no anti-Jesus, but there is an anti-Christ.

 

[Free]

Jesus created all things...that makes Him the Creator. I find it strange that people can say there is only one God and not see that same God became flesh and dwelt among us.

And I find it strange that you addressed that post towards me.

I didn't mean to...you were just in a convenient spot. Sorry.

No worries. I was just confused, that's all. lol

That article was dumb (sorry for being blunt). Someone trying to weasel out of what scripture says. God's name is Jesus, and in the name Jesus inhabits all the attributes of God including Eternal Father, and the rest.

Jesus is not God's name, it is God the Son's name.

Actually, according to my studies, and of course, one other source. The name "Jesus" is associated with his flesh line -- thus the name Jesus is in relation to the meaning -- "son of man".

Christ is the name associated with his seed line from his Father ---- "Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God".

This is why there is no anti-Jesus, but there is an anti-Christ.

But this is just splitting hairs.

 

[JamesG]

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Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours: (1Corinthians 1:2)

JamesG

 

[watchman F]

That article was dumb (sorry for being blunt). Someone trying to weasel out of what scripture says. God's name is Jesus, and in the name Jesus inhabits all the attributes of God including Eternal Father, and the rest.

Jesus is not God's name, it is God the Son's name.

Hi

Actually, according to my studies, and of course, one other source. The name "Jesus" is associated with his flesh line -- thus the name Jesus is in relation to the meaning -- "son of man".

Christ is the name associated with his seed line from his Father ---- "Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God".

This is why there is no anti-Jesus, but there is an anti-Christ.

Like I said read Matthew 28:19 and see what the Apostles were told to do, and then study Acts to see what they did. Then tell me, were they being disobedient to the command of Jesus for them to baptize in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, or did they realize that Jesus is that name?

 

[Mysteryman]

Hi

Actually, according to my studies, and of course, one other source. The name "Jesus" is associated with his flesh line -- thus the name Jesus is in relation to the meaning -- "son of man".

Christ is the name associated with his seed line from his Father ---- "Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God".

This is why there is no anti-Jesus, but there is an anti-Christ.[/quote]Like I said read Matthew 28:19 and see what the Apostles were told to do, and then study Acts to see what they did. Then tell me, were they being disobedient to the command of Jesus for them to baptize in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, or did they realize that Jesus is that name?[/quote]



Hi W.

You don't remember Jesus asking Peter -- "who do you say that I am ? " And what Peter's reply was ?

 

[Vic C.]

I haven't been here in a day but do want to backtrack and answer GD:

Isaiah is not an isolated verse, and it isn't mistranlated, either. Young's shows no such thing. Scripture is replete with evidence if people really cared to look at verses they've just taken for granted.

Isaiah 9:6 (Young's Literal Translation)

6For a Child hath been born to us, A Son hath been given to us, And the princely power is on his shoulder, And He doth call his name Wonderful, Counsellor, Mighty God, Father of Eternity,
Prince of Peace.

Yeah, I paraphrased and wrote (from memory) "... father of the everlasting...". GD, I use the YLT and Green's LITV a lot. :yes

But to stay on topic, you all may pray however you please, I will follow the NT outline.

 

[watchman F]

Hi W.

You don't remember Jesus asking Peter -- "who do you say that I am ? " And what Peter's reply was ?

Nice dodge, now back to what was asked. Why did the Apostles apparently disobey Jesus command to baptize people in the name of the Father, Son, and H.S. instead baptizing them in the name of Jesus only?

 

[Ahuli]

We are told in the Bible that Jesus is Lord. So should we pray to Him? Or should we only pray to the Father as indicated by Jesus in the Lord's Prayer? (when he was asked, how should we pray he gave the Lord's Prayer) Also, with regards to the Lord's prayer - the way I learned it has way more words than what is written in the Bible versions I have (NIV, RSV, KJV) - where did these extra words come from?

John 10:30 "I and the Father are one."

 

[glorydaz]

I haven't been here in a day but do want to backtrack and answer GD:

Isaiah is not an isolated verse, and it isn't mistranlated, either. Young's shows no such thing. Scripture is replete with evidence if people really cared to look at verses they've just taken for granted.

Isaiah 9:6 (Young's Literal Translation)

6For a Child hath been born to us, A Son hath been given to us, And the princely power is on his shoulder, And He doth call his name Wonderful, Counsellor, Mighty God, Father of Eternity,
Prince of Peace.

Yeah, I paraphrased and wrote (from memory) "... father of the everlasting...". GD, I use the YLT and Green's LITV a lot. :yes

But to stay on topic, you all may pray however you please, I will follow the NT outline.

I use Young's a lot, too. Eternal Father and Father of Eternity say the same thing to me. Mighty God is there, too. I've never heard of Green's...I'll have to see if I can find it.

 

[Mysteryman]

Hi W.

You don't remember Jesus asking Peter -- "who do you say that I am ? " And what Peter's reply was ?

Nice dodge, now back to what was asked. Why did the Apostles apparently disobey Jesus command to baptize people in the name of the Father, Son, and H.S. instead baptizing them in the name of Jesus only?

Dodge ? Why would you suggest that I was dodging anything ?

If one understood how to study your bible. Then one would not even ask me the question that you did in the first place. Jesus is the son of man, and Christ is the Son of the living God.

No one verse can stand alone. The Apostles didn't disobey Jesus . There needs to be total understanding here. The reason the Apostles baptized in the name of Jesus Christ, is because that is what Jesus told them to do.

Matthew 28:19 is an addition

What is the name of the Father ? What is the name of the Son ? What is the name of the Holy Spirit ?

Are they different, or the same ?

 

[watchman F]

Hi W.

You don't remember Jesus asking Peter -- "who do you say that I am ? " And what Peter's reply was ?

Nice dodge, now back to what was asked. Why did the Apostles apparently disobey Jesus command to baptize people in the name of the Father, Son, and H.S. instead baptizing them in the name of Jesus only?

Dodge ? Why would you suggest that I was dodging anything ?

If one understood how to study your bible. Then one would not even ask me the question that you did in the first place. Jesus is the son of man, and Christ is the Son of the living God.

No one verse can stand alone. The Apostles didn't disobey Jesus . There needs to be total understanding here. The reason the Apostles baptized in the name of Jesus Christ, is because that is what Jesus told them to do.

Matthew 28:19 is an addition

What is the name of the Father ? What is the name of the Son ? What is the name of the Holy Spirit ?

Are they different, or the same ?

This is my point exactly Jesus is the name of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.

 

[Mysteryman]

You don't remember Jesus asking Peter -- "who do you say that I am ? " And what Peter's reply was ? [/quote]Nice dodge, now back to what was asked. Why did the Apostles apparently disobey Jesus command to baptize people in the name of the Father, Son, and H.S. instead baptizing them in the name of Jesus only?[/quote]


Dodge ? Why would you suggest that I was dodging anything ?

If one understood how to study your bible. Then one would not even ask me the question that you did in the first place. Jesus is the son of man, and Christ is the Son of the living God.

No one verse can stand alone. The Apostles didn't disobey Jesus . There needs to be total understanding here. The reason the Apostles baptized in the name of Jesus Christ, is because that is what Jesus told them to do.

Matthew 28:19 is an addition

What is the name of the Father ? What is the name of the Son ? What is the name of the Holy Spirit ?

Are they different, or the same ?[/quote]This is my point exactly Jesus is the name of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.[/quote]




"Jesus" is the name of the Father and of the Son and the Holy Spirit ? Where do you see that in scripture ?

 

[watchman F]

"Jesus" is the name of the Father and of the Son and the Holy Spirit ? Where do you see that in scripture ?

Beside the obvious that Jesus told the Apostles to baptize in the name (singular) of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit and that went about baptizing people the the name of Jesus, to which we both agree was NOT in disobedience. Other such as Colossians 2:9 that says that all the fullness of the Godhead dwelt in Christ bodily, and in Zachariah were God said the say will come when He shall have one name ect..... that one name is Jesus

 

[Mohrb]

Jesus is our intermediary.... not the end. As I read the bible we are to pray -through- Jesus, i.e. pray in his name. But prayers should only be directed to the Father, God.