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Is Sola Scriptura is Biblical? I need your views on this.
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LOLfollower of Christ said:Oh, I see.
NOW its making more sense.
you have two posts here including this one;
viewtopic.php?f=14&t=35743&p=430115#p430115
amg0364730 said:Is Sola Scriptura is Biblical? I need your views on this.
Or why does Mary like to show her face on toast from time to time....turnorburn said:amg0364730 said:Is Sola Scriptura is Biblical? I need your views on this.
Seems like your asking a pretty heated question for a new guy, next I suppose you'll tell us where the
Apostle Peter was buried? Or why the Bereans reject Sola Scriptura. :yes
Or
A prominent anti-Catholic organization out of Oregon, with Dave Hunt at the helm, publishes a monthly newsletter entitled The Berean Call. The title is taken from Acts 17, where Paul refers to the Bereans in Asia Minor as "noble-minded," and Hunt chose the title to promote his belief in sola scriptura.
turnorburn
:naughty
http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/1997/9703fea3.asp
Amen, like looking at the flour , salt and yeast and asking; "Is this a bread?"follower of Christ said:Of course no NT writing is going to say 'the NT is the authoritative source for doctrine' when that source was still in bits and pieces, so it is ABSURD to REQUIRE the NT to say anything of the sort.
follower of Christ said:No offense, but the mods just had to shut down a thread like this just a couple days ago.
These threads ALWAYS turn into a CAtholic/Protestant battle over church authority and I honestly believe persons starting these threads in most cases know it and are looking for just that.
follower of Christ said:There are a TON of articles all over the web that you can find just by Googling 'Scripture Alone' that will give you just about every view imaginable...and doing it that way will keep us in THIS forum from ending up offending each other again.
follower of Christ said:Of course no NT writing is going to say 'the NT is the authoritative source for doctrine' when that source was still in bits and pieces, so it is ABSURD to REQUIRE the NT to say anything of the sort.
follower of Christ said:We believe in Scripture alone as the FINAL AUTHORITY in matters of doctrine. That doesnt mean that we dont use anything else because frankly, the bible doesnt cover every possibly sin, thought or act that a man can come up with.
follower of Christ said:For instance, is it 'sin' to marry a 10 year old ?
I believe it would be, but scripture doesnt cover it specifically.
follower of Christ said:So while I AM Sola Scriptura...ie the GODS words of instruction are the FINAL authority in any given matter, Im not naive enough to think that there arent things that we have to use the spirit of the law and good old godly common sense to discern.
Cornelius said:Amen, like looking at the flour , salt and yeast and asking; "Is this a bread?"follower of Christ said:Of course no NT writing is going to say 'the NT is the authoritative source for doctrine' when that source was still in bits and pieces, so it is ABSURD to REQUIRE the NT to say anything of the sort.
Actually it DOESNT...whether YOU like it or not.francisdesales said:Actually, knowing the Table of Contents of Scriptures DEPENDS upon an external source of authority, whether you like it or not.
Naturally ;)Naturally, this will lead to the ultimate question of authority,
We've been thru this already. The bible DOES show itself as BEING the word of God. YOU simply reject that fact.which follows when one questions whether the Bible ITSELF is even the Word of God - since it doesn't make that claim for itself...
The only thing that 'offends' me in the matter is CATHOLICS who turn every thread like this into a church AUTHORITY thread and seem to be oblivious to the fact that WE arent catholic and dont subscribe to her fallacies in the matter.The only one offended by denying Sola Scriptura are those who subscribe to that unbiblical viewpoint.
Considering catholics arent permitted to think for themselves but must be TOLD what to believe the scriptures say, its no wonder that they dont understand that the bible DOES show that it is Gods 'word'...Considering it is the "pillar" of classic Protestantism, it is not a wonder that some deny the obvious.
What Ive proven is that you cant seem to get it thru your head that the WHOLE THING...the ENTIRE scope of our faith...revolves AROUND faith.francisdesales said:So it naturally follows that the Bible doesn't claim that the writings of what we now call the "new testament" are found in the bible! You have just proven my point that you so stubbornly refused to contenance...
Actually many of them do just that in one way or another.What you need to consider is that even the individual writings do not make the independent claim.
And that external authority was the same as the One from the OT scriptures...GOD Himself.Thus, an external authority made the decision to call "Matthew" part of the Word of God. Matthew never makes that claim. Only the external authority - and the people of the Church who ACCEPT that authority - determine the NT is part of God's Word.
Yes, I understand that YOU believe that having FAITH in GOD that He preserved and protected His word is 'ridiculous'..but we also understand that the CC doesnt allow you to have your own ideas about the bible.Again, this is not listed in the Scriptures themselves. Nor does the Scriptures even DEFINE what is the Scriptures. Thus, your "rule of thumb" is ridiculous, since this "final authority" never calls itself that, nor is the "final authority" even known "infallibly" by itself!
Sorry but I gave my reasoning.Thanks for your glowing endorsement of "Scriptures is the final authority". You have just proven that as false...
The same common sense PAUL used in 1 Cor 7 when he said HE was speaking and not the Lord to those believers who were UNequally yoked.WHOSE "COMMON SENSE" shall we use, my friend??? Yours? Mine? See where we are going with your "way"?
If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God, who gives to all generously and without reproach, and it shall be given to him. But let him ask in faith, doubting nothing, for he that doubts is like a wave of the sea driven and tossed by the wind. For let not that man suppose that he shall receive anything from the Lord
(Jas 1:5-6 EMTV)
Gee, I guess since you have a point on that one that we cant trust God to preserve His word....what were we thinking :crazyfrancisdesales said:Cornelius said:Amen, like looking at the flour , salt and yeast and asking; "Is this a bread?"follower of Christ said:Of course no NT writing is going to say 'the NT is the authoritative source for doctrine' when that source was still in bits and pieces, so it is ABSURD to REQUIRE the NT to say anything of the sort.
LOL!!!
Flour, salt, and yeast in their natural states is not bread.
Ya got to mix it and add water and roll it and then bake it...
More like looking at a large metallic object with four wheels, 4 doors, a windshield, motor and transmission and asking if its a potato...Cornelius said:Amen, like looking at the flour , salt and yeast and asking; "Is this a bread?"follower of Christ said:Of course no NT writing is going to say 'the NT is the authoritative source for doctrine' when that source was still in bits and pieces, so it is ABSURD to REQUIRE the NT to say anything of the sort.
HIS ways, HIS commandments, HIS testimonies AS IT IS WRITTEN in the Law of Moses.And keep the charge of the LORD thy God, to walk in his ways, to keep his statutes, and his commandments, and his judgments, and his testimonies, as it is written in the law of Moses, that thou mayest prosper in all that thou doest, and whithersoever thou turnest thyself:
(1Ki 2:3 KJV)
This most definitely applies DIRECTLY to the OLD testament as the New Testament had not yet been finished or canonized.And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
(2Ti 3:15-17 KJV)
Paul surely presents that what he has written here to the Corinthians IS the commandments of God, thus what he writes IS the 'word' of God, otherwise Paul is a liar.What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only? If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.
(1Co 14:36-37 KJV)
Paul has no need to deceive. When he is not speaking the Lords instruction he apparently isnt afraid to state the fact. So there is no reason to believe on Pauls end that when he speaks words of instruction and guidance, and even just for encouragement, that he IS speaking by inspiration of the Lord unless Paul says otherwise.Now to those who have married I command, yet not I, but the Lord: A wife is not to be separated from her husband-- and even if she does separate, let her remain unmarried or be reconciled to her husband--and a husband is not to divorce his wife.
But to the rest I, not the Lord, say: If any brother has an unbelieving wife, and she consents to live with him, let him not divorce her.
(1Co 7:10-12 EMTV)
It also teaches us that men would arise from our very ranks, wolves who teach heresies from among ourselves, not sparing the flock...However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will announce to you things to come.
(Joh 16:13 EMTV)
So we cannot even trust those among us with any absolute certainty, regardless of their claims. Ultimately we can only really trust the word of God that has been protected and preserved by Him, just as He did with the Old Covenant scriptures, we trust that he has done with the new, the internal and historical lending evidence that our faith in Him is very much justified.Act 20:29 For I know this, that savage wolves will come in after my departure, not sparing the flock.
Act 20:30 Also from among you yourselves will arise men speaking things having been distorted, in order to draw away the disciples after them.
The Bible alone cannot serve as its own authoritative source for the claim of being an authoritative source. This is called circular reasoning. If the Bible is to be considered God's word and to carry God's authority within the Church, then it is necessary for there to be some source external to the Bible through which we can know the Bible is God's word. This was the argument which francisdesales was pushing within the other thread. It's logical and reasonable. And you actually agree with it.follower of Christ said:We have FAITH in GOD that HE used the CC, just as he used the disobedient Jews, to preserve and protect His word of instruction.