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Is Sinning on Purpose Willful Sin ?

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Eugene

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Which sin does not send a person to hell?

Rom 13:1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.

Rom 13:2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
 
Eugene said:
Which sin does not send a person to hell?

Rom 13:1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.

Rom 13:2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
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I believe these verses are for us as citizens under a government. And not for Gods Judgment. "damnation", I believe is a bad translation. I believe it is speaking of judgement from the Government. Fines,jail time,law suits and the such.

Which sin does not send a person to hell? No sin will send a person to hell. 1 John 2:2

There is a saying.....all sin is evil, but not all evil is sin. Our human good is evil. Feeding the poor and not doing it through the power of the Spirit is .......evil,counted as dung. It is not a sin to feed the poor, but it is evil if we are not doing it in the power of the Spirit.And only believers can do it in the power of the Spirit.(believers can and do commit "human good" but believers are covered)

If we have never believed in the Lord Jesus Christ , Our human good deeds send us to the lake of fire. Because Jesus Christ paid for the sins of the whole world.

Rev 20:12-15~~12And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books(human good,deeds) were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds(not sins). 13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them; and they were judged, every one of them according to their deeds(not sins). 14Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. 15And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
 
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I believe we have already destined ourselves for hell due to sin. God has provided the doorway that we can enter and be saved. In other words, we don't necessarily send ourselves to hell, we just refuse to open the door to life.

Hope that makes sense.
 
gr8grace3, reba, WIP

Good answers all, and being of OSAS persuasion I do not believe anyone who has received or believed on Christ can jump out of God's hand as it were. Jn 6:37, Jn 10:28, Jn 10:29, and
Eph 4:30 says that we are sealed unto the day of redemption. I personally don't see a sin that can send us to hell, and later to the lake of fire, and that includes even the sin of unbelief that sent Moses to his death and kept him fro entering the promised land. Num 20:12, & Deut 32:50-51.
 
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WIP said:
I believe we have already destined ourselves for hell due to sin. God has provided the doorway that we can enter and be saved. In other words, we don't necessarily send ourselves to hell, we just refuse to open the door to life.

Hope that makes sense.
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WIP,
Parable; If a group of VC, a group of NVA or a few citizens began to shoot at my chopper, on my side, dead in front of my M60 Machine Gun but I have the door closed to keep the wind from rustling my new Jungle Trousers and we were shot down but I and the CoPilot escaped, I was guilty because I did not open the door! They would hold my Courts Marshal but before the ship arrived to save us, I had sent myself to Ft. Leavenworth, Kansas. The trial is just a formality, I had been instructed on the matter, making the decision mine! The same is true of the Door to Heaven, if I continue on it is my fault for not turning.
 
Eugene said:
gr8grace3, reba, WIP

Good answers all, and being of OSAS persuasion I do not believe anyone who has received or believed on Christ can jump out of God's hand as it were. Jn 6:37, Jn 10:28, Jn 10:29, and
Eph 4:30 says that we are sealed unto the day of redemption. I personally don't see a sin that can send us to hell, and later to the lake of fire, and that includes even the sin of unbelief that sent Moses to his death and kept him fro entering the promised land. Num 20:12, & Deut 32:50-51.
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Motion seconded!
 
th1b.taylor said:
WIP,
Parable; If a group of VC, a group of NVA or a few citizens began to shoot at my chopper, on my side, dead in front of my M60 Machine Gun but I have the door closed to keep the wind from rustling my new Jungle Trousers and we were shot down but I and the CoPilot escaped, I was guilty because I did not open the door! They would hold my Courts Marshal but before the ship arrived to save us, I had sent myself to Ft. Leavenworth, Kansas. The trial is just a formality, I had been instructed on the matter, making the decision mine! The same is true of the Door to Heaven, if I continue on it is my fault for not turning.
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Dear Brother th1b.taylor, didn't you turn as you call it when you received Jesus? As to your standing, and destiny with God from that point on, isn't it based on what Jesus did, and not you? Now I would agree that our state, or the condition we may find ourselves is very dependent upon how we pursue the will of God for our lives, and allow His continuing work in our lives to be conformed to the very image of Jesus. :)
 
Eugene said:
Which sin does not send a person to hell?

Rom 13:1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.

Rom 13:2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
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Reba answered it, but I will add that the sin that can't send you to hell is the sin that does NOT represent a decision to go back to Egypt.

Willful sin in regard to going to the fiery place means sinning because you simply do not care about God's forgiveness of sin. Contempt for the free gift is what condemns a person.

John said whoever is 'living in Egypt', so to speak, is not born again. Whether or not he ever was born again is the question whose plain answer so many refuse to see in the pages of scripture. But I understand why they resist it.
 
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Eugene said:
Which sin does not send a person to hell?
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In fact, there is no sin that sends anyone to hell. Why? Because Jesus Christ paid the penalty for all sin. He effectively removed the sin barrier between God and man, which frees the perfect justice of God to extend grace to mankind.

That said, no one goes to heaven because their sins were paid for. In paying for mankind's sins, Jesus purchased the free gift of eternal life, which is received when one believes in Him for it.

So, why does anyone end up in hell? Because they did not possess eternal life. Rev 20:15.
 
WIP said:
I believe we have already destined ourselves for hell due to sin. God has provided the doorway that we can enter and be saved. In other words, we don't necessarily send ourselves to hell, we just refuse to open the door to life.

Hope that makes sense.
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Perfectly! :thumbsup
 
Jethro Bodine said:
Willful sin in regard to going to the fiery place means sinning because you simply do not care about God's forgiveness of sin. Contempt for the free gift is what condemns a person.
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Contempt to me is like those of Hebrews Chapter Four that heard the preaching, saw the miracles, and had the Holy Ghost convince them as we read of in Rom 1:19, because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them, and they turned back to the world without the blood.

Heb 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
Heb 6:5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
Heb 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

Heb 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
Heb 10:17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
Heb 10:18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
 
Eugene,
Yes sir but the subject matter, as I perceived it, was about a Lost Man. My direction is settled because I answered the call I never deserved but had I chosen not to, and I had that option when I was without my LORD. Of course, though I knew it not, God knew exactly what I would do. He is amazing, no?
 
Eugene,
as per post #9-Yes sir but the subject matter, as I perceived it, was about a Lost Man. My direction is settled because I answered the call I never deserved but had I chosen not to, and I had that option when I was without my LORD. Of course, though I knew it not, God knew exactly what I would do. He is amazing, no?
 
Eugene,
as per post #9-Yes sir but the subject matter, as I perceived it, was about a Lost Man. My direction is settled because I answered the call I never deserved but had I chosen not to, and I had that option when I was without my LORD. Of course, though I knew it not, God knew exactly what I would do. He is amazing, no?
 
Eugene,
as per post #9-Yes sir but the subject matter, as I perceived it, was about a Lost Man. My direction is settled because I answered the call I never deserved but had I chosen not to, and I had that option when I was without my LORD. Of course, though I knew it not, God knew exactly what I would do. He is amazing, no?
 
Eugene,
as per post #9-Yes sir but the subject matter, as I perceived it, was about a Lost Man. My direction is settled because I answered the call I never deserved but had I chosen not to, and I had that option when I was without my LORD. Of course, though I knew it not, God knew exactly what I would do. He is amazing, no?
 
Eugene,
as per post #9-Yes sir but the subject matter, as I perceived it, was about a Lost Man. My direction is settled because I answered the call I never deserved but had I chosen not to, and I had that option when I was without my LORD. Of course, though I knew it not, God knew exactly what I would do. He is amazing, no?
 
All sin is willful. And if you are a Christian, all sin is forgiven. We do not earn our way to heaven. God sent Christ, once for all. Everyone sins, because the flesh is weak and against God. From God's point of view, we who are in Christ, have died. We no longer live but Christ lives in us. So which one of us is willing to say that we are still sinners? No friends. We are saints. Praise God. It's never been up to me. It's all been up to God. Since Jesus finished the work the Father gave Him to do, so are we now complete in Him. Hidden in Christ. FORGIVEN! FOREVER!
 
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