Is the Bible always our basis?

[Classik]

So should we always rely on what that is clearly written in the bible in order to make valid claim or scriptural claims? Or should we always ask people to prove a point using the bible?

 

[Michael74]

The Bible is true. You can rely on it.

 

[Douglas Summers]

So should we always rely on what that is clearly written in the bible in order to make valid claim or scriptural claims? Or should we always ask people to prove a point using the bible?

Hi Classik, You must be born again to know the answer to that question.

 

[Blake]

God will use the scriptures to speak directly to you. There are some good Bible commentaries out there, but what I love about the Holy Spirit is that He will open your eyes to see what you need to see, and your ears to what you need to hear. The Rhema of God. I've experienced it more in this last year than I have in my entire life now that I've found a Spirit-led church.

 

[th1b.taylor]

Asolutly!

 

[Edward]

Yes, and yes.

You don't have to tell people to prove it using the bible, depending upon the delivery it could come off in an off color way. Just ask and see if they use the bible. Depending upon the gravity of the situation, it can be very appropriate to ask for scripture.

 

[Classik]

God will use the scriptures to speak directly to you. There are some good Bible commentaries out there, but what I love about the Holy Spirit is that He will open your eyes to see what you need to see, and your ears to what you need to hear. The Rhema of God. I've experienced it more in this last year than I have in my entire life now that I've found a Spirit-led church.

Good point. Exactly my thinking. There are some here who kind of would never agree with your posts and comments even if when they are wise. They only tell you to direct them to the scripture where the exact example could be found. Just like the Paulsian not-the-Lord-but-I references or comments. Those ideas are great although God didnt say it is this exactly.

 

[Willie T]

No. We have to "Rightly divide" what we are looking at.
Case in point: How many of us have dragged our disobedient sons to the edge of town to be stoned to death by the members of the church?
Deuteronomy 21:18 -21

Or... How many of us hate our entire families now that we are disciples? Luke 14:26 says to.

 

[Sparkey]

There is another thread somewhere around here... one second... I'll fetch it:

Is there a point where "sola scriptura" is too "sola scriptura"

But please don't make the mistake of thinking it's posted in Bible Study, nope. It's here in The Lounge, home of casual conversation and fellowship. This is one of my favorite places because we get to talk off-the-cuff and friendly like. So I refer you to that other post because there used to be a HUGE (it's big) debate over who has Teaching Authority, the Pope (and traditions) or The Bible (and written and Text or Script). There are some who like being scribes and guess what side they choose. But to be fair, the Scripture Alone guys have much more truth than I make it sound like. I'm not trying to be overly disrespectful to those who have dedicated their lives to His and our service, not really. We owe a debt, that's for certain. And it's big enough that I'll never repay except to trust that God will pay for me and reward them according to their good works...

They considered "Teaching Authority" in that dog-eat-dog battle which ensued several hundreds of years ago and has never been settled, not yet anyway, but it will be. It will be. And we know this whole thing as a bifurcation which is a type of fallacy also called the black -OR- white kind and sometimes called the "either/or fallacy" and that it's the job of the Holy Spirit to teach all things, and He may do as He likes, because the Spirit HOLY, the Ruach HaKodesh, the very breath of God, the whisper, our Counselor is HOLY and utterly apart (that's what holy means) from all sin! I mean, He, the very Promise of the Father (or so said Jesus and Peter), was not sent until after Jesus had paid the price on the cross and rose --> 50 days later, to be precise, that's why some Hellenistic Jews started calling it Pentecost in first place. The Holy Spirit came (was sent?) 10 days after His ascension, and was poured out on the 120 who huddled, seemingly afraid, but truthfully, waited because of the Command of King Jesus given on the day of His Ascending in the clouds to heaven when he said, "Tarry in Jerusalem and ye shall receive power" (paraphrase) and they waited for 10 more days until the next feast day which is also "the birthday of the Church" because the NT church was established initially via our Teacher's workings when the HS baptized (or from another POV, when baptized in the HS) the 120 obedient disciples.

"THREE TIMES THOU SHALT KEEP A FEAST UNTO ME IN THE YEAR"- Exodus 23:14, 2Chr8:13

Passover, Unleavened Bread,

Firstfruits, Weeks, Harvest, Pentecost, Trumpets (Rosh Hashana), DOA (Yom Kippur), Tabernacles, Booths, Ingathering (Succoth).

Spoiler: Which THREE TIMES ??

"Three times in a year shall all thy males appear before the LORD thy God in the place which he shall choose;
in the: Feast of Unleavened Bread,
and in the Feast of Weeks,
and in the Feast of Tabernacles.."
Deut 16:16.

It's His job (or maybe? Quoting Spock, yes, that's right, Spock, "It's the feminine aspect of God, which was supposedly [pause] who was 'created' to live among humans," as told by Leonard Nimoy a.k.a. Spock of Star Trek fame -- click link below to hear Nimoy himself speak about it) But it's His (the Holy Spirit's, not Spocks) job to join us together. He jointly fits us together. Good thing b/c He is the OIL for our cogs, right?

But the whole argument about Teaching Authority considered two opposing sides and as the debate ensued, people on each side started entrenching themselves and positions were more and more clearly defined. So we even have some who insult others by saying, "You worship the KJV," and other false testimonies because they are lobbing holy hand-grenades (ever see Monty Python?) at each other.

Live Long and Prosper: The Jewish Story Behind Spock, Leonard Nimoy's Star Trek Character

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Quoting from video link (above) The Jewish Story Behind Spock [0:10] So I'm with my father, my grandpa and my brother, sitting in the bench sits, women were up-stairs (Because sadly in the Synagogue women are separated from men), 5-6 guys get up on the 'Bema' on the stage and facing the congregation, they're getting their 'talit' over their heads and they start this chanting [0:35] and my father said to me: "Don't look".​

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Asolutly!

I think th has had one too many.

 

[jasonc]

lol. the holy grenade

 

[jasonc]

thou shalt count to three. three is the number that thou shall count to. four is too far. those mayest not count to two unless it to three.lol

 

[Sparkey]

WE sure do love to make up the rules, don't we? And I suspect that some of the sola scriptura (scripture alone --> see the article in Theopedia for more) guys may have regretted later their whole set of authoritative rules. Especially as they considered the workings of the Holy Spirit, but their point was infallibility more than anything else. They got stuck a little on that.

If pressed to choose one or the other? I wouldn't. I don't like bifurcation and/or black-or-white fallacies if they are being forced on me, but otherwise? Sure, I like them loads and do them a whole bunch.

The Five (5) Solas: (phrases found in writings of various 16th century Reformers)

1. Sola Fide, by faith alone.
2. Sola Scriptura, by Scripture alone.
3. Solus Christus, through Christ alone.
4. Sola Gratia, by grace alone.
5. Soli Deo Gloria, glory to God alone.

 

[Douglas Summers]

The Bible is true. You can rely on it.

Hi Michael, Yes it is true, It is also Spiritual. But the Bible will not reveal it's Spiritual strength or understanding to the curios or idle. The natural man can read the Scriptures and can find the way to salvation, but until he is drawn by the Truth and calls upon the name of the Lord, He is blind to the truth of Scripture by the absents of The Holy Spirit. (Rom. 8: 1-17) Some will make lite of this truth or discount it, but I tell you, walk and talk with the Lord and He will answer. The natural man is not subject to Spiritual understanding.

In Christ
Douglas Summers

 

[Michael74]

For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 1 Corinthians 1:18 NIV

True Doug. The natural mind will not understand.

Jesus is the author and finisher of our faith. To God be all the glory. We are to seek God with our whole hearts. We are to obey God. Jesus is our Lord and Master.

 

[Michael74]

But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 1 Corinthians 2:14 KJV

 

[Douglas Summers]

But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 1 Corinthians 2:14 KJV

Amen.

 

[Not_Now.Soon]

I think each of us has something to contribute to eachother. That's why in the bible there's talk about some people having the gift of teaching, another the gift of speaking in tongues, another in translating those words, and still others for encouragement, prophesy, apostles-ship, and probabley so much more. I know for me God has touched my life, so I also assume that God has touched the lives of most everyone else, so I appriaciate the knowledge, wisdom and experiences that they are willing to share. But both my experiences and theirs should be able to be tested by the scriptures, to correct or confirm our thoughts and conclusions.

 

[th1b.taylor]

Okay, I'm awake and you gentlemen are wrong. Bill still remembers, exactly, what made him an alcholic and for that reason, no booze. Now, far too many of you, and of all Christians, read the words but never do as God has directed us and meditate on what you just read. I once was of the same opinion and for the same reason. I said always and that is exactly correct, just as Brother Machael confirmed. I knew there were clear principals contained in the scriptures but when I began to close my eyes, pray and prayerfully consider what I had read, only then did the Spirit of God begin to reveal under lying principals for every action or decision we will ever make. This does mean the Word of God governs every step a Christian takes or makes. It's all there. in the Word.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

No. We have to "Rightly divide" what we are looking at.
Case in point: How many of us have dragged our disobedient sons to the edge of town to be stoned to death by the members of the church?
Deuteronomy 21:18 -21

Or... How many of us hate our entire families now that we are disciples? Luke 14:26 says to.

Meh.