[__ Science __ ] Is the Biblical Creation Ministry Divisive?

[Hopeful]

Doesn't matter. "Morning" and "evening" have specific meanings, and it's not "Big light in the sky."


If you had faith in what is written, you wouldn't feel a need to add to it. I merely accept it as it is.

That's what faith is. You've confused imagination with faith. Trust God instead of your own wishes.

I trust that God's word in the bible is true, including that He made everything in six days.
Why don't you?

 

[Barbarian]

I trust that God's word in the bible is true

Except that you need to add literal days to it. I accept it as it is.

Why don't you?

 

[Andy C]

Lies are certainly divisive. But creationism isn't a lie. It's a false doctrine that many Christians sincerely believe. And not one that will necessarily harm one's salvation, unless one makes an idol of it, and declares that it's necessary for a Christian to believe.

Do you believe in the biblical account of Adam and Eve, as the first created humans? You speak of evolution, but Im not sure if your referring to the debate of young earth verse old earth, or if you think humans are the result of evolution.

 

[Barbarian]

Do you believe in the biblical account of Adam and Eve, as the first created humans?

You do understand that one can have an allegory about real people, right?

You speak of evolution, but Im not sure if your referring to the debate of young earth verse old earth, or if you think humans are the result of evolution.

Humans are the result of God giving Adam a living soul directly. How our bodies evolved has nothing to do with that. Our image of God is in our minds and souls not in our bodies. As Jesus says, a spirit has no body. God the Father is a spirit; he has no fingernails or ears or other body parts.

 

[Andy C]

You do understand that one can have an allegory about real people, right?


Humans are the result of God giving Adam a living soul directly. How our bodies evolved has nothing to do with that. Our image of God is in our minds and souls not in our bodies. As Jesus says, a spirit has no body. God the Father is a spirit; he has no fingernails or ears or other body parts.

I was just seeking clarity as your wording on some posts could lead one to believe you support evolution/Darwinism.

 

[Barbarian]

I was just seeking clarity as your wording on some posts could lead one to believe you support evolution/Darwinism.

Since Darwinian evolution is directly observed on an ongoing basis, not much point in denial. I suspect that you object not the observed fact of Darwinian evolution, but to one consequence of the phenomenon, common descent.

BTW, the fact of evolution in no way rules out the fact that Adam and Eve were two real people to whom God first gave living souls, who sinned against Him, and were our common ancestors through which we inherited original sin.

 

[Andy C]

Since Darwinian evolution is directly observed on an ongoing basis, not much point in denial. I suspect that you object not the observed fact of Darwinian evolution, but to one consequence of the phenomenon, common descent.

BTW, the fact of evolution in no way rules out the fact that Adam and Eve were two real people to whom God first gave living souls, who sinned against Him, and were our common ancestors through which we inherited original sin.

Sorry, I just stick with how God created man, as written in His Holy Word.

Adam and Eve were the first two people, created by Him, no lineage came before them.

 

[Barbarian]

Sorry, I just stick with how God created man, as written in His Holy Word.

Me too. Instead of adding all sorts of stories as creationists do, I just go with it as it's written.

Adam and Eve were the first two people

First two people with a living soul, according to God.

, created by Him,

Yep. The difference is, you don't approve of the way He did it.

no lineage came before them.

And that's another revision creationists insert into scripture.

 

[Andy C]

Me too. Instead of adding all sorts of stories as creationists do, I just go with it as it's written.


First two people with a living soul, according to God.

Yep. The difference is, you don't approve of the way He did it.

And that's another revision creationists insert into scripture.

Why do you keep avoiding talking directly.

Do you believe Adam was the first human being ever created? Or, do you believe there was some other species before Adam?

By saying repeatedly that they are the first created with the soul, are you implying there were other living soulless creatures before Adam - if yes, can you provide scripture to prove your views?

 

[Andy C]

Yep. The difference is, you don't approve of the way He did it.

Can you further explain your assumptions? How do I not approve of how God did it.

 

[Andy C]

First two people with a living soul, according to God.

Dont tell me you believe we came from apes, or any other creature?

 

[Barbarian]

Dont tell me you believe we came from apes, or any other creature?

Actually, we are apes. Humans and chimpanzees are more similar genetically than either of us is to any other ape.

 

[Barbarian]

Can you further explain your assumptions? How do I not approve of how God did it.

Since the text itself says that it's not a literal account, anyone who doubts it, does not approve of the way God did it. Doesn't mean you aren't a Christian; YE creationists are no less Christians than the rest of us. Unless you make a idol of your new doctrine, it doesn't matter at all to salvation.

And yes, there are Christians who accept evolution and make an idol of that, saying that one is not a Christian if one doesn't accept evolution.

 

[Barbarian]

Why do you keep avoiding talking directly.

Do you believe Adam was the first human being ever created? Or, do you believe there was some other species before Adam?

Of course there were other human species. Thing is, we don't know which species Adam was. If he happened to be H. erectus, why should that bother us? Anatomically modern humans evolved from earlier humans. And it seems that H. sapiens split into at least 3 subspecies of which we are the only surviving line.

Unless you include genes we have from Neanderthals, Denesovans, etc.