Is the Trinity biblical? Is Jesus really God?

[Randy]

The Greek of John 1:1 is such that when the beginning began, the Word was already in existence. And as I previously stated, “firstborn” does not necessarily mean one that came into existence, one who is literally firstborn. It can mean that one has the rights as of one who is the firtsborn even though they actually aren’t the firstborn. That is a legitimate biblical usage.

In regards to Jesus then, it means that he is preeminent, he is Lord over all creation. It does not mean that there was a time when the Son did not exist.


Just as “one God, the Father, from whom all things came,” speaks to his eternal existence, so “one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came,” speaks to his eternal existence.

It is exactly the same language. And if Paul is right that “all things came” through Jesus, then logic tells us that Jesus cannot be one of those created things. This is in perfect agreement with John 1:3 and Col. 1:16-17.

I agree Jesus was before the world began he is before all things except the Father. Firstborn can also mean firstborn of the Father especially since Jesus has His own spirit and calls the Father His God.

 

[Randy]

Of course it has nothing to do with pregnancy. That is an analogy that shows the irrationality of your position.

But not applicable in the contexts I used. Jesus's spirit is not divine. He's not God but the Son. The fullness of God was pleased to dwell in Him and by that fullness Jesus is the exact image of the invisible God. ALL that the Father is and in that context is called God.

 

[WIP]

I think this thread has progressed far enough and needs to be shut down. CFnet holds to the belief that Jesus Christ was and is in fact the second person of the Trinity that is God.

We believe that there is only one God, who is eternal and immutable, and manifests Himself in three distinct Persons; Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

We believe that Jesus of Nazareth is the promised Messiah, born of a virgin, totally without sin, God in human flesh, the One Who died on the cross for our sins, was buried, rose again from the dead on the third day, and ascended to the right hand of the Father in heaven, where He now intercedes for us who believe in Him.