is there a distiction between appearing and coming?

[kingdavid]

i have heard that his appearing has taken place in our day and takes place b4 the actual physical ressurection. His appearing is a spiritual revelation that the true bride of christ will be privy too and the rest of the religious world will scoff and make fun of, just b4 the actual physical resurrection.

if you don't see his appearing then how are you going to be part of His resurrection?

 

[Shilohsfoal]

i have heard that his appearing has taken place in our day and takes place b4 the actual physical ressurection. His appearing is a spiritual revelation that the true bride of christ will be privy too and the rest of the religious world will scoff and make fun of, just b4 the actual physical resurrection.

if you don't see his appearing then how are you going to be part of His resurrection.

Ok i'll play along.
Who saw the Son of man coming in the clouds and when did they see him?

 

[kingdavid]

i have heard that his appearing has taken place in our day and takes place b4 the actual physical ressurection. His appearing is a spiritual revelation that the true bride of christ will be privy too and the rest of the religious world will scoff and make fun of, just b4 the actual physical resurrection.

if you don't see his appearing then how are you going to be part of His resurrection.

Ok i'll play along.
Who saw the Son of man coming in the clouds and when did they see him?

in the form of the spirit 1st, took place in 1963 and was put in the may 17th issue of LIFE(i thought this was fitting) magazine carried it. you can also see the pic at believethesign.com or also at bibleway.org.


it is the seven angels and the seventh is the most notable/visible one in the pic as they disperse back into eternity according as bro. branham prophecied months b4 and recorded on tape.


the scripture states in thessalonians, to you who are troubled rest with us when the lord jesus shall be revealed with his mighty angels...
according to the vision and came to pass it was seven angels that revealed jesus christ showing that christ has overcome now and loosed the seven seals and sent his messengers to reveal it to the prophet william branham.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

DISCOVERY OF THE CLOUD


The following May, a friend showed Branham a curious article in the May 17, 1963 issue of LIFE magazine.9 It reported that a large, ring shaped cloud appeared over Flagstaff, Arizona, and was so unusually high that it remained illuminated by the sun for one half-hour after sunset. At the time of the article, the origin of the cloud was still a mystery. A photograph of the cloud, taken at Flagstaff, accompanied the article.10 On June 1, 1963, Branham commented on the cloud to a small gathering of his followers. His explanation is somewhat vague, but he seemed to say that the photograph depicted the seven angels as they appeared in his vision of December 22.11 He pointed out that the presence of the cloud coincided with the approximate dates of his hunting trip at Sunset Mountain. His explanation began to evolve on June 23, 1963, when he said that the seven angels actually made a physical appearance to him at Sunset and that the cloud was formed as they approached.12 Between this date and December 4, 1965, Branham maintained on several occasions that the photograph in LIFE was taken while he was on his hunting trip and that his two friends also witnessed the appearance of the angels (they did not).13

In July, 1965, Branham said that the Lord had just showed him that if he turned the photo of the cloud 1/4 turn to the right, he would see that the cloud formed the outline of Jesus' head. He offered this as further vindication that his Message was the truth.14

I just looked at the picture of the cloud and I didnt see Jesus.Have you even see seen a picture of that cloud?It looks like a picture of a smoke ring to me.

 

[kingdavid]

DISCOVERY OF THE CLOUD


The following May, a friend showed Branham a curious article in the May 17, 1963 issue of LIFE magazine.9 It reported that a large, ring shaped cloud appeared over Flagstaff, Arizona, and was so unusually high that it remained illuminated by the sun for one half-hour after sunset. At the time of the article, the origin of the cloud was still a mystery. A photograph of the cloud, taken at Flagstaff, accompanied the article.10 On June 1, 1963, Branham commented on the cloud to a small gathering of his followers. His explanation is somewhat vague, but he seemed to say that the photograph depicted the seven angels as they appeared in his vision of December 22.11 He pointed out that the presence of the cloud coincided with the approximate dates of his hunting trip at Sunset Mountain. His explanation began to evolve on June 23, 1963, when he said that the seven angels actually made a physical appearance to him at Sunset and that the cloud was formed as they approached.12 Between this date and December 4, 1965, Branham maintained on several occasions that the photograph in LIFE was taken while he was on his hunting trip and that his two friends also witnessed the appearance of the angels (they did not).13

In July, 1965, Branham said that the Lord had just showed him that if he turned the photo of the cloud 1/4 turn to the right, he would see that the cloud formed the outline of Jesus' head. He offered this as further vindication that his Message was the truth.14

I just looked at the picture of the cloud and I didnt see Jesus.Have you even see seen a picture of that cloud?It looks like a picture of a smoke ring to me.

yes, i have the magazine itself. and i see christ in the cloud revealed by his mighty angels as the scripture states in thessalonians or revelations 10 states i saw another might angel clothed with a CLOUD and a rainbow upon his head... you can see it also at believethesign.com or bibleway.org

 

[kingdavid]

11 And I was talking to someone a few minutes ago. If you look in "Life" magazine, last month, you'll see there. And you got that tape. I'm not a tape salesman. But if you ever believed the Words that I preach, and you can afford it, get "The Seven Seals," and first get "What Time Is It, Sirs?" Listen to that spoke of, six months before it happened. And science is baffled. Standing right under where it was happening there. And told them, six months before, how that there'd be seven Angels in a form of a constellation, and look like a pyramid, would drop down. And I'd be standing north of Tucson, Arizona, and there would be a roar that would even shake the rocks from the mountains. Brother Fred Sothmann setting there, who was standing with us, many of them, when it happened. Now, science took the picture of It, you seen It, went on Associated Press. They didn't know what It was. There's a Cloud hanging, twenty-six miles high. That's fifteen miles, or twenty, above even where vapor's at. They don't know what it's all going about, and they're trying to investigate It. And there, right under It, I was standing. And those seven Angels roaring out their voices, of those Seven Seals, standing there. And the witness, three of us, as a witness of the things that was prophesied on the tape, "Sirs, What Time Is It?" And there now they're trying to find out. It's a mystery to them.
O_LORD_JUST_ONCE_MORE HOT_SPRINGS_AR 06-28-63 Afternoon

 

[Shilohsfoal]

"kingdavid"
yes, i have the magazine itself. and i see christ in the cloud revealed by his mighty angels as the scripture states. you can see it also at believethesign.com or bibleway.org

I dont see Jesus in that cloud.
Looks like a smoke ring to me.
What do I know though.Millions of people saw Mary on a burnt pieace of toast a few years ago and I didnt see her.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Or it may have been a grilled cheeze sandwhich.

 

[kingdavid]

science even knows that water vapor doesn't exist at that high an altitude to form a cloud but it was there that day just the same whether they know it or not. the cloud was 26 miles high and 30 miles across and hung there most of the day for all to see. water vapor only exists about 11 miles high so this was 15 miles higher than where a cloud should be able to exist


just like the children of israel followed a CLOUD by day and pillar of fire by night. the Lord provided a Cloud once again according to revelations 10 for the true believer to see and follow

 

[Shilohsfoal]

I think its funny that William Branham didnt say anything about the cloud untill after he was showed a picture of it.Then he says ,Oh yea,thats the cloud the angels left in the sky after they visited me while I was on my hunting trip.As to say ,see ,that there cloud in the sky is proof there were some angels came to see me.LOL

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Ok,I got four pictures of a cloud here and I cant see Jesus anywhere in the pictures.
Can anyone other than David see Jesus in this cloud?

http://wmb1.com/portico/modules.php?nam ... cle&sid=53

 

[kingdavid]

I think its funny that William Branham didnt say anything about the cloud untill after he was showed a picture of it.Then he says ,Oh yea,thats the cloud the angels left in the sky after they visited me while I was on my hunting trip.As to say ,see ,that there cloud in the sky is proof there were some angels came to see me.LOL

what do you mean? he prophecied about the cloud about 6 months b4 the photo was even taken in the message, "what time is it, sirs!" and spoke of it in the seventh seal and the photo wasn't published yet and they didn't have a camera on them so they had to wait till it was published in Life magazine to show the people exactly what he was talking about according to the vision.

63 Now, notice, remember the vision of the constellation? Charlie, I... Here you are. Something going on, I told you, this week that you... It's been all around you, but I wonder if you noticed it. Remember the constellation of the vision of the Angels when I left here to go to Arizona? You remember, "What Time Is It, Sirs?" Do you remember that? Notice, there was only one great burst of thunder, and seven Angels appeared. Is that right? One burst of thunder, seven Angels appeared.
And I saw the Lamb when He had opened the First Seal, and I heard as it was a voice of a thunder, and one of the four beasts said, Come and see.
Notice, one thunder, seven messages that's been sealed up and cannot be revealed until the last day, at this age. See what I mean?
THE_SEVENTH_SEAL JEFF_IN 03-24-63 Evening

 

[Shilohsfoal]

I think its funny that William Branham didnt say anything about the cloud untill after he was showed a picture of it.Then he says ,Oh yea,thats the cloud the angels left in the sky after they visited me while I was on my hunting trip.As to say ,see ,that there cloud in the sky is proof there were some angels came to see me.LOL

what do you mean? he spoke of it in the seventh seal and they didn't have a camera on them so they had to wait till it was published in Life magazine to show the people exactly what he was talking about according to the vision. he prophecied this about 6 months before the photo was even taken.

63 Now, notice, remember the vision of the constellation? Charlie, I... Here you are. Something going on, I told you, this week that you... It's been all around you, but I wonder if you noticed it. Remember the constellation of the vision of the Angels when I left here to go to Arizona? You remember, "What Time Is It, Sirs?" Do you remember that? Notice, there was only one great burst of thunder, and seven Angels appeared. Is that right? One burst of thunder, seven Angels appeared.
And I saw the Lamb when He had opened the First Seal, and I heard as it was a voice of a thunder, and one of the four beasts said, Come and see.
Notice, one thunder, seven messages that's been sealed up and cannot be revealed until the last day, at this age. See what I mean?
THE_SEVENTH_SEAL JEFF_IN 03-24-63 Evening

You are quoting a conversation that is said to have taken place after he returned from Arizona.
That would be after the picture had already been taken and published.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Ok,I got four pictures of a cloud here and I cant see Jesus anywhere in the pictures.
Can anyone other than David see Jesus in this cloud?

http://wmb1.com/portico/modules.php?nam ... cle&sid=53

Bump.Anyone?

 

[kingdavid]

Ok,I got four pictures of a cloud here and I cant see Jesus anywhere in the pictures.
Can anyone other than David see Jesus in this cloud?

http://wmb1.com/portico/modules.php?nam ... cle&sid=53

Bump.Anyone?

he said all eyes would see him. he didn't say all eyes would be open to recognize and understand. the world eyes will be blinded to see him yet there eyes are wide open. as the scripture says they have eyes but can't see..only the true believer will recognize Him. in a little while the world seeth me no more, yet ye shall see me....

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Ok,I got four pictures of a cloud here and I cant see Jesus anywhere in the pictures.
Can anyone other than David see Jesus in this cloud?

http://wmb1.com/portico/modules.php?nam ... cle&sid=53

Bump.Anyone?

he said all eyes would see him. he didn't say all eyes would be open to recognize and understand. the world eyes will be blinded to see him yet there eyes are wide open. as the scripture says they have eyes but can't see..only the true believer will recognize Him. in a little while the world seeth me no more, yet ye shall see me....

We know that you say you see Jesus in that cloud.
Im asking the other people who visit this board if they see him as well.

 

[Vic C.]

I see Jerry Garcia!

Actually, what I see is a contrail or chemtrail. :yes

 

[kingdavid]

I see Jerry Garcia!

Actually, what I see is a contrail or chemtrail. :yes

nope, wrong again. the scientist questioning this photo looked and questioned the military and other government agencies to see if they were flights that may have been testing or explosives that day and all answers were negatory.

chemtrails don't make a closed loop

 

[Shilohsfoal]

I'll go with the rocket theory.



"The fact is, this cloud is not a vapor cloud at all. It is a cloud of smoke and the remains of rocket fuel from a Thor rocket that had been launched the afternood of 2/28/1963 at 1:52PST at Vandenburg, California. The rocket was blown up at 147,000 feet because of a malfunction. At this height there was a west to east wind blowing around 130mph. The smoke from the explosion formed the circle shaped cloud. The jet stream winds carried the cloud due east from Vandenburg toward Flagstaff, Arizona. Because of some lower clouds this one was not observed in Arizona until around sunset. The cloud remained sunlit for 28 minutes after official sundown in Flagstall. Giving account for the curvature of the earth and it being seen as far away as Elpasso, Texas it was estimated to be 140,000-147,000 feet high exactly on the same level as the smoke and vaporized rocket fuel of the destroyed Thor rocket."

 

[Sinthesis]

I'll go with the rocket theory.



"The fact is, this cloud is not a vapor cloud at all. It is a cloud of smoke and the remains of rocket fuel from a Thor rocket that had been launched the afternood of 2/28/1963 at 1:52PST at Vandenburg, California. The rocket was blown up at 147,000 feet because of a malfunction. At this height there was a west to east wind blowing around 130mph. The smoke from the explosion formed the circle shaped cloud. The jet stream winds carried the cloud due east from Vandenburg toward Flagstaff, Arizona. Because of some lower clouds this one was not observed in Arizona until around sunset. The cloud remained sunlit for 28 minutes after official sundown in Flagstall. Giving account for the curvature of the earth and it being seen as far away as Elpasso, Texas it was estimated to be 140,000-147,000 feet high exactly on the same level as the smoke and vaporized rocket fuel of the destroyed Thor rocket."

Right you are. But if you look closely you might see Jesus blowing up Thor. :biglol

Here are a couple of links:
http://www.cephas-library.com/evangelists/evangelists_branham_1.html

http://people.delphiforums.com/JohnK63/Attraction.htm

http://articles.adsabs.harvard.edu/...=0&data_type=GIF&type=SCREEN_VIEW&classic=YES

http://articles.adsabs.harvard.edu/...=1&data_type=GIF&type=SCREEN_VIEW&classic=YES