Is this God’s incredible parallel of history?

[John Zain]

This idea came to me about 3 years ago. I’ll try to keep it as short and blunt as possible.

The Jews blew their chance to satisfy God, and they were punished
God’s “chosen people†tried for hundreds of years to satisfy God, but they failed miserably.
He proved that it is impossible for man (through His own efforts) to satisfy a totally Holy God.
One of their great sins was assimilating foreigners who had different cultures and religions.
So, God started sending enemies (with different religions) against His people
in order to chastise (punish) them for their disobedient and sinful ways.
This was His way of forcing them to return to Him in repentance and obedience.
Sometimes He had to miraculously intervene to destroy an enemy in order to preserve
the Jewish nation … because the future Messiah was to come out of the loins of Israel.
God eventually grew tired of their habitual failures and gave up on them (temporarily).
Scripture says He left them in their spiritual blindness, dispersed them around the globe,
and promised to institute a new and better covenant through His Messiah.

The Christians blew their chance to satisfy God, and are in the process of being punished
I am focusing on the historically-Christian West, i.e. Europe and North America.
During this 2000-year “age of the Gentilesâ€, Christians have been trying to satisfy God.
300 years ago, God sent Puritans to North America to set up Christianity and democracy.
This was God’s perfect model for the whole world to follow.
The USA and Canada were greatly blessed by God, and evangelized much of the world.
However, during the past few decades, there has been a great falling away from the faith.
One of their great sins was assimilating foreigners who had different cultures and religions.
Europe fell away first, followed by North America.
So, God started sending enemies (with different religions) against His people
to chastise (punish) them for their disobedient and sinful ways.
I say that God is trying to force the West to return to Him in repentance and obedience.
Are you aware of the HUGE problem Europe has with their Muslim immigrants?
And this same problem has been growing in North America.

 

[Stormcrow]

If this turns into a "God judged America on 9-11-2001" thread, I'm going to break something.

 

[LightningStrikeSurvivor]

The Jews blew their chance to satisfy God, and they were punished
God’s “chosen people†tried for hundreds of years to satisfy God, but they failed miserably.

But god would've known this would happen because he can see everything. I don't understand: why punish them for something you know is going to go wrong?

He proved that it is impossible for man (through His own efforts) to satisfy a totally Holy God.
300 years ago, God sent Puritans to North America to set up Christianity and democracy.
This was God’s perfect model for the whole world to follow.

If he proved it's impossible for man to satisfy him, why try it again with these puritans?

300 years ago, God sent Puritans to North America to set up Christianity and democracy.
This was God’s perfect model for the whole world to follow.
The USA and Canada were greatly blessed by God, and evangelized much of the world.

Why would he do that? N. America was one of the last pure, untarnished lands in the world. The indians were living comfortably in harmony with the land, just like the aboriginies in Australia were before the English got there and the negros in Africa.

If the indians didn't know about god, this isn't their fault. God must've known what the USA would turn into and how the indians would suffer from disease, war, alcohol and theft of their lands but he tried it anyway, after having watched the above failure you refer to. WHY??

 

[John Zain]

But god would've known this would happen because he can see everything.
I don't understand: why punish them (Israelites) for something you know is going to go wrong?
If he proved it's impossible for man to satisfy him, why try it again with these puritans?

Almighty God's PLAN went like this (sequentially):
1) Choose a people group (the tiniest/weakest nation, Israel) as man's representatives.
2) Prove to the world (through them) that man under his own power cannot possibly satisfy God.
3) Have verses in His Scriptures explaining that man has a hopeless sin nature.
Few today seem to comprehend the total depravity of man (even though it's seen everywhere),
and that the one-and-only Holy God will not allow habitual sinners to spend eternity with Him.
4) Display His love, compassion, and grace by coming up with a salvation plan (via Messiah) for us.

Note that the Israelites did not have the Holy Spirit inside of them to guide them, teach them "all things", etc.
but the Puritans did have the Holy Spirit (because they were true Christians).

 

[Sinthesis]

This idea came to me about 3 years ago. I’ll try to keep it as short and blunt as possible.

The Jews blew their chance to satisfy God, and they were punished
God’s “chosen people†tried for hundreds of years to satisfy God, but they failed miserably.
He proved that it is impossible for man (through His own efforts) to satisfy a totally Holy God.
One of their great sins was assimilating foreigners who had different cultures and religions.
So, God started sending enemies (with different religions) against His people
in order to chastise (punish) them for their disobedient and sinful ways.
This was His way of forcing them to return to Him in repentance and obedience.
Sometimes He had to miraculously intervene to destroy an enemy in order to preserve
the Jewish nation … because the future Messiah was to come out of the loins of Israel.
God eventually grew tired of their habitual failures and gave up on them (temporarily).
Scripture says He left them in their spiritual blindness, dispersed them around the globe,
and promised to institute a new and better covenant through His Messiah.

The Christians blew their chance to satisfy God, and are in the process of being punished
I am focusing on the historically-Christian West, i.e. Europe and North America.
During this 2000-year “age of the Gentilesâ€, Christians have been trying to satisfy God.
300 years ago, God sent Puritans to North America to set up Christianity and democracy.
This was God’s perfect model for the whole world to follow.
The USA and Canada were greatly blessed by God, and evangelized much of the world.
However, during the past few decades, there has been a great falling away from the faith.
One of their great sins was assimilating foreigners who had different cultures and religions.
Europe fell away first, followed by North America.
So, God started sending enemies (with different religions) against His people
to chastise (punish) them for their disobedient and sinful ways.
I say that God is trying to force the West to return to Him in repentance and obedience.
Are you aware of the HUGE problem Europe has with their Muslim immigrants?
And this same problem has been growing in North America.

It seems to me just a rationalization for one's apprehension over the future, and self satisfaction in one's own self perceived 'puritan' identity. So no; this picture of BC and AD historic parallels is skewed and does not correctly factor in the impact of Jesus on the world.

Jhn 16:33 - These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.​

 

[Nathan Alterton]

It seems to me just a rationalization for one's apprehension over the future, and self satisfaction in one's own self perceived 'puritan' identity. So no; this picture of BC and AD historic parallels is skewed and does not correctly factor in the impact of Jesus on the world.

Jhn 16:33 - These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.
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I agree with Sinthesis, the whole premise is flawed.

I generally agree John Zain's synopsis of the OT Kingdom of God, but that same synopsis doesn't work in the NT. God isn't interested in borders, nations, and people groups today, He set up a new Kingdom with Christ as it's head, and every time a someone makes Jesus his Lord, he transfers his citizenship to the Kingdom of God.

 

[John Zain]

It seems to me just a rationalization for one's apprehension over the future,
and self satisfaction in one's own self perceived 'puritan' identity.

Sorry, brother, you have mis-judged me on both counts, but that's okay.
However, it's more than possible that my parallel is off-base.
I personally just simply see it as a parallel, but certainly not a perfect parallel.
For example, in the OT there was only one people group involved,
while in the NT going forward there is the whole world involved
(as Nathan correctly points out).

 

[smaller]

Sorry, brother, you have mis-judged me on both counts, but that's okay.
However, it's more than possible that my parallel is off-base.
I personally just simply see it as a parallel, but certainly not a perfect parallel.
For example, in the OT there was only one people group involved,
while in the NT going forward there is the whole world involved
(as Nathan correctly points out).

Your general observations of the matter are OK John. Wherever the Word is sown, problems arise over time resulting in Divine Judgments. It's unavoidable. Why is it that christians are promised tribulations and that judgment 'begins' at the house of the Lord?

Just as Israel was judged for the actions of sin and evil within 'US ALL' being aroused and revealed by The Word, so it will be with the Gentile handlers of same, the Muslim handlers of same, etc etc.

At some point it will end. That is the Hope of the Gospel. The notion that the sin and evil in believers is somehow excused or overlooked 'in them' is a common christian fallacy not much different than the actions of lying prophets of the O.T.

Just propose and prophesy us the good parts ONLY...let's not look at the facts and LETS just say 'our sins' are perfectly OK and authorized under Grace, not to be judged. No, never that to 'moi.'

Isaiah 28:22
Now therefore be ye not mockers, lest your bands be made strong: for I have heard from the Lord GOD of hosts a consumption, even determined upon the whole earth.

God had the original 'scorched earth' policy called ZION, meaning DRY GROUND.

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[jasoncran]

uh, well the jews prospered in the new world too!

was god pleased when the puritans killed the indians for no reason?

while i do think that the nation of america was founded on christ this doesnt mean we should embrace a theocratic state.


get a clue, the church is why america is where it is not the sinners.

 

[Sinthesis]

Sorry, brother, you have mis-judged me on both counts, but that's okay.
However, it's more than possible that my parallel is off-base.
I personally just simply see it as a parallel, but certainly not a perfect parallel.
For example, in the OT there was only one people group involved,
while in the NT going forward there is the whole world involved
(as Nathan correctly points out).

Please don't take my critique personally. I was judging your idea, not you. I also love to look for parallels throughout history, and I have gone down many avenues of parallelism that ultimately fail because they run counter to some teaching in the Bible.

That said, this particular interpretation of history fails when seen in the light of the Book of Job.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

There's no doubt that one can draw certain parallels between the nation of Israel and the church of Jesus Christ. Paul tells us what happened to the Israelites serve as warnings to us. But IMO it would be a mistake to make direct literal parallels. We have to spiritualize the lessons we are to learn from what happened to the Israelites when they disobeyed.

For example, the 'land' that prospers and produces fruit and is safe from our enemies when we Christians obey God is the soil of our hearts, not a literal land as it was for the Israelites.

 

[smaller]

uh, well the jews prospered in the new world too!

was god pleased when the puritans killed the indians for no reason?

while i do think that the nation of america was founded on christ this doesnt mean we should embrace a theocratic state.


get a clue, the church is why america is where it is not the sinners.

Yeah Jason, I think I get the connection there for sure. Did you?

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[precepts]

This idea came to me about 3 years ago. I’ll try to keep it as short and blunt as possible.

The Jews blew their chance to satisfy God, and they were punished
God’s “chosen people†tried for hundreds of years to satisfy God, but they failed miserably.
He proved that it is impossible for man (through His own efforts) to satisfy a totally Holy God.
One of their great sins was assimilating foreigners who had different cultures and religions.
So, God started sending enemies (with different religions) against His people
in order to chastise (punish) them for their disobedient and sinful ways.
This was His way of forcing them to return to Him in repentance and obedience.
Sometimes He had to miraculously intervene to destroy an enemy in order to preserve
the Jewish nation … because the future Messiah was to come out of the loins of Israel.
God eventually grew tired of their habitual failures and gave up on them (temporarily).
Scripture says He left them in their spiritual blindness, dispersed them around the globe,
and promised to institute a new and better covenant through His Messiah.

The Christians blew their chance to satisfy God, and are in the process of being punished
I am focusing on the historically-Christian West, i.e. Europe and North America.
During this 2000-year “age of the Gentilesâ€, Christians have been trying to satisfy God.
300 years ago, God sent Puritans to North America to set up Christianity and democracy.
This was God’s perfect model for the whole world to follow.
The USA and Canada were greatly blessed by God, and evangelized much of the world.
However, during the past few decades, there has been a great falling away from the faith.
One of their great sins was assimilating foreigners who had different cultures and religions.
Europe fell away first, followed by North America.
So, God started sending enemies (with different religions) against His people
to chastise (punish) them for their disobedient and sinful ways.
I say that God is trying to force the West to return to Him in repentance and obedience.
Are you aware of the HUGE problem Europe has with their Muslim immigrants?
And this same problem has been growing in North America.

I understand where you're coming from, but shouldn't the bible be the solution between Muslims and Christians?

 

[Hitch]

I understand where you're coming from, but shouldn't the bible be the solution between Muslims and Christians?

Yeah just as it was between Jesus and the Pharisees.

 

[precepts]

Yeah just as it was between Jesus and the Pharisees.

You're saying Christ couldn't intrepret the bible to the Pharisees to make them understand? He did, but they weren't born of him, or else they would hear and be saved.

Jhn 8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? [even] because ye cannot hear my word.
Jhn 8:44 Ye are of [your] father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Jhn 8:45 And because I tell [you] the truth, ye believe me not.

They weren't born of God.