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Is this legal/correct according to bible?

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charmings

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Is anal sex between married husband and wife a sin as per bible? I know that homosexual relationship is prohibited in Bible as per the Sodom/Gomorrah incident.... but is it allowed and not a sin as per bible to have anal sex between a man and a women (married)....
 
Not biblically prohibited between husband and wife. If either is uncomfortable with it pressuring is not a good idea.
 
I'd think that it would fall under the category of "defiling and degrading" myself. Also very unnatural, perverted, etc.

Why would you want to do that to/with someone you love?
 
The nation of Israel was given 600+ laws by Moses. Israel soon turned this into the Mishnah and then the Talmud with 10,000+ rules. This led to the Pharisees. It is not in the desire of God that we live as robots with a rule for every action.

If we are to grow into the image of Christ, we need to think in terms of how to apply the admonition to love one another. In regard to anal or even oral sex, willingness should not be the only criteria.

From simply a mechanical perspective anal sex should not be considered. There is damage that occurs from abnormal use (abuse).

Consideration should be given to more subtle consequences than physical damage. If I receive pleasure from someone (even willingly), am I in danger of elevating my pleasure over the esteem in which I hold the other person. Can the experience of sensation work to erode love by the elevation of solitary pleasure.

Consideration should be given to where a path leads. Will what we do help me see my wife as a gift from God who should be honored or as an amusing toy.
 
Right on, TimF.

Also, the bible doesn't explicitly forbid you sucking the snot out of your wife's nose either, does it?
It's a pretty sick idea, and the act certainly wouldn't glorify Christ. Neither does anal sex.

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I stand by my statement.
If both are agreeable then there is no degrading and the marriage bed remains undefiled. Degradation does not happen unless one feels degraded. If there is a question on either's part then it should not happen. I think bringing pleasure to your spouse though sex (or any other way) without harm, emotional or physical, is a way of glorifying God.
What are your thoughts on oral sex? Positions other than missionary? Do you feel that those are degrading and others who disagree are wrong? Where do YOU draw the line?
Isn't what you're saying really just a reflection of your dislikes about certain sex practices.
 
conchoreb said:
If both are agreeable then there is no degrading and the marriage bed remains undefiled. Degradation does not happen unless one feels degraded. If there is a question on either's part then it should not happen. I think bringing pleasure to your spouse though sex (or any other way) without harm, emotional or physical, is a way of glorifying God.
What are your thoughts on oral sex? Positions other than missionary? Do you feel that those are degrading and others who disagree are wrong? Where do YOU draw the line?
Isn't what you're saying really just a reflection of your dislikes about certain sex practices.
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Yes, my personal opinion does reflect in what I posted. "Marriage" was instituted for the purpose of conception, this is biblical -- can you conceive a child out of your anus?

As far as bringing pleasure, women do not have prostate glands, and as TimF pointed out, our elimination zone was not intended for sexual satisfaction. And it does cause physical harm. We are wonderfully and beautifully made and there is a natural, God-intended way for two bodies to become one flesh -- and it's not through our butt.

There are lots of ways a loving devoted couple can engage in pleasuring themselves and each other, but it was intended to be pleasuring for both, and intimate -- not a way for the man to be selfish and indulge himself in unglorifying fornication because it might feel better for him.
 
Entropic_Prodigy

You said: "Marriage" was instituted for the purpose of conception, this is biblical -- can you conceive a child out of your anus?"
Marriage was instituted for procreation but sex is part of marriage and can be for pleasure too. Are you suggesting that if a couple is unable to conceive then they should abstain from sex?

You said: "As far as bringing pleasure, women do not have prostate glands, and as TimF pointed out, our elimination zone was not intended for sexual satisfaction. And it does cause physical harm."
Some women (few admittedly) derive pleasure that way. Also, some find it pleasurable to give pleasure. It CAN cause physical harm but it is not certain to do so. No Christian (nor non-Christian for that matter), loving husband would want to cause pain or harm.

You said: "...it was intended to be pleasuring for both, and intimate -- not a way for the man to be selfish and indulge himself in unglorifying fornication because it might feel better for him."
I agree, I never said otherwise. Though I disagree that any kind of sex between married couples is "fornication" as you claim.

I asked the question: "What are your thoughts on oral sex? Positions other than missionary? Do you feel that those are degrading and others who disagree are wrong? Where do YOU draw the line?" Which you didn't answer.
Don't think that I'm some sort of sodomite. My spouse does not care for anal sex therefore we do not engage in that form of sex. I still stand by my initial statement that if it is not troubling in any way, meaning that it is OK for BOTH spouses there is nothing wrong with anal sex and it is not forbidden by God. You are welcome to your OPINION that it is yucky and wrong but the original poster's question was whether it is biblically forbidden, and as was posted above, by you I think, it is not.
 
conchoreb said:
it is OK for BOTH spouses there is nothing wrong with anal sex and it is not forbidden by God. You are welcome to your OPINION that it is yucky and wrong but the original poster's question was whether it is biblically forbidden, and as was posted above, by you I think, it is not.
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Can you tell me what your interpretation of these verses are:

Rom 1:24-28:

Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator--who is forever praised. Amen. Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts.

Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion. Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done.

There's two different types of sexual depravity being mentioned here, as the Believer's Bible Commentary will also point this out.

There are numerous verses on sexual immorality and shameful sexual practices -- most of the time they are specifically named at animals, unmarried partners, prostitutes, and homosexuals, other times the language used is simply "perversion, degrading, not natural". I suppose what you do in the bedroom is your decision, but it's a pretty bold step to think that something that God made for the purpose of eliminating waste should be used as a means for giving and receiving pleasure. The problem is, in all things we do, we must aim to glorify Christ -- and I fail to see how allowing sodomization does this, even if it is within a marital context.

Can you give me biblical support that it is alright?
 
As per your stated verse from bible that "
Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones", this may also mean sexual relations between women(lesbian) rather than anal relations between a man and women....
Also you said:- "Marriage was instituted for the purpose of conception, this is biblical -- can you conceive a child out of your anus?" .....going by what you said means that a married couple should only have sex when they plan to have a child and not otherwise which i think is nt correct....so in tht context contraception and birth control is also wrong.....
Also as per your arguments oral sex is also incorrect bcoz your mouth is made for eating and drinking and not giving/receiving sexual pleasure....same logic hold for kissing being wrong...after all one's mouth is made for eating/drinking purpose and not to derive pleasure out of kissing(between couples/french kiss etc )...
 
charmings said:
As per your stated verse from bible that "
Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones", this may also mean sexual relations between women(lesbian) rather than anal relations between a man and women....
Also you said:- "Marriage was instituted for the purpose of conception, this is biblical -- can you conceive a child out of your anus?" .....going by what you said means that a married couple should only have sex when they plan to have a child and not ot so in tht context contraception and birth control is also wrong.....herwise which i think is nt correct....Also as per your arguments oral sex is also incorrect bcoz your mouth is made for eating and drinking and not giving/receiving sexual pleasure....same logic hold for kissing being wrong...after all one's mouth is made for eating/drinking purpose and not to derive pleasure out of kissing(between couples/french kiss etc )...
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The bible does endorse kissing, but nowhere can you find where it will endorse anal sex -- and the verse I underlined was:

"Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another." This is located a verse or two in the bible BEFORE any gender on gender action is mentioned. I'm pointing this out, because if BOTH verses were talking only of homosexuality, it would be completely redundant.

Marriage is holy, and is supposed to be representative of Christ and His bride -- two people coming together in one flesh is supposed to be holy, sacred, and glorify Christ.

So the question is, would anal sex glorify Christ?

And it sounds to me like instead of debating, you should be praying and reading your bible. Any Christian who has read even a little bit of scripture on how God views sex and marriage wouldn't be asking the question -- either that or you just really want to have anal sex and are requesting permission to do so.

If it isn't good, it didn't come from God -- you can pretty much trust that.

so in tht context contraception and birth control is also wrong.....
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There is an entire thread devoted to this subject here on this forum somewhere.
 
Hey Mister... if I had to do something...i dont need to take permission from conceited people like you....my motto is to bring out issues which are least touched upon and always remains a taboo to talk about.....atleast people sharing their ideas and belief would enlighten everyone....this is something like schools were reluctant to introduce sex education and now they know the importance of it and its there in their cirriculum.....there is no need of u getting personal or finger pointing.....
Also for ur theory on kissing specified in bible...its only about kissing in general ---meaning parents to kids, brotherly kiss etc and not the lustful kiss that a couple indulges in while making love....so by ur logic, one should not kiss while making love bcoz its lustful and related to sex and afterall our lips r not made for it ...isnt it...
 
charmings said:
Also for ur theory on kissing specified in bible...its only about kissing in general ---meaning parents to kids, brotherly kiss etc and not the lustful kiss that a couple indulges in while making love
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The entire book of Song of Songs is devoted to a woman and her lover: (Which, by the way, is said to be an allegory of the relationship of Christ and the Church by some.)

Son 1:2 Let him kiss me with the kisses of his mouth-- for your love is more delightful than wine.
Son 4:3 Your lips are like a scarlet ribbon; your mouth is lovely. Your temples behind your veil are like the halves of a pomegranate.
Son 4:11 Your lips drop sweetness as the honeycomb, my bride; milk and honey are under your tongue. The fragrance of your garments is like that of Lebanon.
Son 7:9 and your mouth like the best wine. May the wine go straight to my lover, flowing gently over lips and teeth.

I wouldn't call this "kissing in general".
 
While I will admit, I...myself...find it hard not to at least question the idea of what is acceptable in terms of marital intimacy one thing that I have noticed being asked in regards of this topic over and over has struck me. So I will ask it again myself also.

If a couple should not be able to have or harbor any desire to have children should they not be having such intimacy in their marriage?

In truth, I see nothing wrong with genuine love making between a married man and his wife. Scripture too, I believe supports this...though perhaps I could be wrong.

I am sorry if I come off as offensive I do not mean to do so.

May God Bless You

Danielle
 
LostLamb said:
While I will admit, I...myself...find it hard not to at least question the idea of what is acceptable in terms of marital intimacy one thing that I have noticed being asked in regards of this topic over and over has struck me. So I will ask it again myself also.

If a couple should not be able to have or harbor any desire to have children should they not be having such intimacy in their marriage?

In truth, I see nothing wrong with genuine love making between a married man and his wife. Scripture too, I believe supports this...though perhaps I could be wrong.

I am sorry if I come off as offensive I do not mean to do so.

May God Bless You

Danielle
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There are lots of couples that choose not to have children, that's not what I'm saying -- but God did say be fruitful and multiply, and there's no denying that procreation is usually the natural result of "two becoming one flesh". It's the only way to conceive or have children, and sex is consistantly viewed as a sin outside of marriage.

Obviously, if you're not a "kid" person, or the time just isn't right for children, you shouldn't have them...

But the topic is butt-sex. If a couple does not want to have children, is it okay to back-door it and put something where you know good and well God never intended it to go???

I sure hope that's not what you're saying. :o
 
Entropic_Prodigy said:
LostLamb said:
While I will admit, I...myself...find it hard not to at least question the idea of what is acceptable in terms of marital intimacy one thing that I have noticed being asked in regards of this topic over and over has struck me. So I will ask it again myself also.

If a couple should not be able to have or harbor any desire to have children should they not be having such intimacy in their marriage?

In truth, I see nothing wrong with genuine love making between a married man and his wife. Scripture too, I believe supports this...though perhaps I could be wrong.

I am sorry if I come off as offensive I do not mean to do so.

May God Bless You

Danielle
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There are lots of couples that choose not to have children, that's not what I'm saying -- but God did say be fruitful and multiply, and there's no denying that procreation is usually the natural result of "two becoming one flesh". It's the only way to conceive or have children, and sex is consistantly viewed as a sin outside of marriage.

Obviously, if you're not a "kid" person, or the time just isn't right for children, you shouldn't have them...

But the topic is butt-sex. If a couple does not want to have children, is it okay to back-door it and put something where you know good and well God never intended it to go???

I sure hope that's not what you're saying. :o
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Where did I imply it was or was not so?

As I said in the begining, I find myself questioning such in terms of morality seeing as I can easily understand how it can be seen or understood to be a perversion. My apologies if that point was not well made.

I apologize for any offense caused, none was meant to be had or taken.

May God Bless You

Danielle
 
Entropic_Prodigy,
You seem to be too sensitive and over reactive to this issue, as witnessed by your misreading of Lost Lamb's original post and by the general tone of your responses to those who disagree with you. LL's post was in no way an endorsement of AS but you read it as such. And as for your tone in your responses to others--I can almost imagine you looking around for stones to throw.
You say Paul's "sexual impurities was addressing "perversions" in a marriage relationship and not in reference to homosexual acts spoken of in the following verses because that would be "redundant". Repetition was often used in scripture to make a point. What you have done is take the mention of "sexual impurities" out of context--a common ploy of those twisting scripture to support their opinion.
But enough of that--I'm still waiting for an answer to whether you think oral sex is an example of "sexual impurity" (though I think I know how you feel about it by now), or vaginal sex in any way but the missionary positition, or sex between married couples unable to have children.
Like I said, I'm waiting.
 
I am purposely staying away from the subject of oral sex -- non-Christians and Christians looking to define what "sex" is will often argue that oral sex is not sex at all, and thus would be exceptable outside of a marital context. That is not something I care to get into, because it's another arguement used by those who do not have control over their own bodies and are seeking "permission" once again to do what they want, and not what God wants.

The rectum is not designed for sex. The hygiene problems with anal sex are also obvious. The gays have many medical problems that come as a result of anal sex, so logically as well as medically it's obviously not intended. Why gamble with the health of your wife, whom you supposedly love, in the name of "pleasing each other"?

1Co 6:12 "Everything is permissible for me"--but not everything is beneficial. "Everything is permissible for me"--but I will not be mastered by anything.
1Co 6:13 "Food for the stomach and the stomach for food"--but God will destroy them both. The body is not meant for sexual immorality, but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body.

conchoreb said:
vaginal sex in any way but the missionary positition, or sex between married couples unable to have children.
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I did address "sex between married couples unable to have children" with LostLamb. And vaginal sex and positions used in the bedroom is not the issue here -- vaginal sex is the way God intended.
 
Other kinds of sex between husband and wife IS at issue as it would demonstrate how restrictive you are regarding sex between spouses. You cannot support your argument biblically without making your own inference of what Moses, Paul, etc. REALLY meant.
If can't support your argument you simply refuse to answer questions. Therefore I am done discussing this topic with you any longer
 
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