Is This Legitimate?

[Michael74]

You,said fully sentient that implies as a companion, being able to think,freely .

Computers will always just be machines. Only God can create a soul. Robots are useful for certain tasks. They can be programmed, and learn by themselves to a certain extent. I do think that robots could be useful to the elderly and other shut ins. To help them do daily tasks, and to talk to them. They will never have a soul though.

Not Alexa with arms and legs a robot as she can't actually posses a personality .

A robot may indeed develop a personality. My car learns my driving style, and optimizes engine performance accordingly. Robots can be programmed with general knowledge, and tailor their talk to the personality of their owners. Learn what interests their owners, and talk about those topics.

A companion, can't simply be logarithmic function that has studied you for months and called a friend when its just a version of you talking to you but in person instead of in your head.

Possibly. Consider that many people find companionship with pets, even though their pets will never interact with them on a peer level. Its possible that some shut ins will similarly find helpful robots provide them some companionship. Time will tell, if robot technology continues to advance.

That's self aware

Okay, you define it differently than I do. I was just thinking of a learning machine that people can interact with to help them get daily tasks done. Alexa, please make a pot of coffee for me. Alexa, I want to learn about a topic via debate, please take the other side of my argument. Schools such as Harvard use such debate tactics as part of their learning process. Robots could do similar. Alexa, please teach me Spanish, or lets talk about the news.

 

[jasonc]

Computers will always just be machines. Only God can create a soul. Robots are useful for certain tasks. They can be programmed, and learn by themselves to a certain extent. I do think that robots could be useful to the elderly and other shut ins. To help them do daily tasks, and to talk to them. They will never have a soul though.



A robot may indeed develop a personality. My car learns my driving style, and optimizes engine performance accordingly. Robots can be programmed with general knowledge, and tailor their talk to the personality of their owners. Learn what interests their owners, and talk about those topics.



Possibly. Consider that many people find companionship with pets, even though their pets will never interact with them on a peer level. Its possible that some shut ins will similarly find helpful robots provide them some companionship. Time will tell, if robot technology continues to advance.




Okay, you define it differently than I do. I was just thinking of a learning machine that people can interact with to help them get daily tasks done. Alexa, please make a pot of coffee for me. Alexa, I want to learn about a topic via debate, please take the other side of my argument. Schools such as Harvard use such debate tactics as part of their learning process. Robots could do similar. Alexa, please teach me Spanish, or lets talk about the news.

You said choose ,an algorithm isn't a personality ,dogs have personalities and none are the same .

Cabt say that about Alexa,my,husky loved walks ,she loved the cold,Bella doesn't like either .both are trainable

 

[Michael74]

Cabt say that about Alexa,my,husky loved walks ,she loved the cold,Bella doesn't like either .both are trainable

Interesting. I wonder if people would like their robots better if each of them had slightly different personal preferences like animals do. Maybe that's something researchers could incorporate into their studies of carebots.

 

[jasonc]

Interesting. I wonder if people would like their robots better if each of them had slightly different personal preferences like animals do. Maybe that's something researchers could incorporate into their studies of carebots.

Would you hold a funeral over your car?your lap top ,your Alexa when it is obselote,damaged beyond repair.

Would said death actually force you to ponder euthanasia like Cheyenne did,would said death cause ptsd as I lived her last moments for months .if yes,you have an unnatural attachment .

A service dog is much better a machine dog with saliva,Bella has sensed my,moods,I,get greeted by Bella differently,then Cheyenne ,Bella licks ,Cheyenne would wag her tail,bark like a wolf does happily.

A bond is,made when the recipient who trains his service animal ,that no,machine could replace .I program my radios,smart phones to do this or that upon my,commands a dog ,I pour much more.I t ook Bella and made her love her pull rope.She wasn't into that until I did that ,she healed from,her hurts,a machine will not be able to really feel pain and in,its suffering be healed by your love and in,that process heal you


I have cried over my dogs,I have got emotional over inanimate objects

 

[HeIsRisen2018]

Would you hold a funeral over your car?your lap top ,your Alexa when it is obselote,damaged beyond repair.

Would said death actually force you to ponder euthanasia like Cheyenne did,would said death cause ptsd as I lived her last moments for months .if yes,you have an unnatural attachment .

A service dog is much better a machine dog with saliva,Bella has sensed my,moods,I,get greeted by Bella differently,then Cheyenne ,Bella licks ,Cheyenne would wag her tail,bark like a wolf does happily.

A bond is,made when the recipient who trains his service animal ,that no,machine could replace .I program my radios,smart phones to do this or that upon my,commands a dog ,I pour much more.I t ook Bella and made her love her pull rope.She wasn't into that until I did that ,she healed from,her hurts,a machine will not be able to really feel pain and in,its suffering be healed by your love and in,that process heal you


I have cried over my dogs,I have got emotional over inanimate objects

I agree with what you said but I think you meant that you never got emotional over inanimate objects though.

 

[jasonc]

I will have that again when it goes.

,that said ,attatachments to historical edifices are another thread ,its not odd,unnatural as they represent,memories as big blue does,a dream to be in it ,its allure ,and its steadfastness,its older then me and would be pufing steam on holidays .

That said its not even close to,a human,pet attachment .I ask you listen to my,voice in,that video .I,know the attachments to machinery .I have many photos of inside ,I have learned of its units and how it worked ,what city it powered,who was its first superintendent.if there's a new thing to be learned I will try.

Yet nothing close to people .

 

[jasonc]

I agree with what you said but I think you meant that you never got emotional over inanimate objects though.

Oh I have .that one photo i posted is the first set,I walked around the plant taking photos ,I walked one mile away to get a photo of it from,the east side of the bridge .Jeff sees my posts I posted a piece of that plant two days ago.I caught my first fish there.I still,talk to,the Dave who took me there.when I took,the photos i thought of my,history there ,the men who worked it. Knew a few.bob,Marvin,Jeff,Steve,

 

[stovebolts]

You said choose ,an algorithm isn't a personality ,dogs have personalities and none are the same .

Michael74

I personally know a guy where I work who wrote AI when IBM said Watson couldn't do it.

AI is all about mimicking behavior and it uses an array of algorithms to mimick.

If you create an algorithm to self learn, and most AI uses or creates these algorithms, then it's learning is unique to what it's exposed to, much like a human being. So yes, robots can, and are able to have their own unique personalities.

 

[stovebolts]

you hold a funeral over your car?your lap top ,your Alexa when it is obselote,damaged beyond repair.

Life is about relationships regardless if they are human, animal or otherwise. Trust me, when I smoked, cigs we're my closest friends.
Have you ever saw somebody cry or mourn when a personal item, like a house, car, teddy bear etc gets lost or destroyed? It's because they have a personal relationship with these objects.

 

[jasonc]

Michael74

I personally know a guy where I work who wrote AI when IBM said Watson couldn't do it.

AI is all about mimicking behavior and it uses an array of algorithms to mimick.

If you create an algorithm to self learn, and most AI uses or creates these algorithms, then it's learning is unique to what it's exposed to, much like a human being. So yes, robots can, and are able to have their own unique personalities.

To,a degree.

What I liked 20 years ago in,many ways i dont like .emotions play in that .

20 or more years ago I didn't have the itch to fix cars,if I do go into water and sewer plants I will abandon that side .I will have passed a point of no return .I,went through that to a degree with meter reading .that got me into photography ,but it wasn't the only one,I was into that for a few years after high school ,since Jr grade but I lost interest .

A robot may mimic things but hurts,changes ,are something they can't learn nor truly feel.

 

[jasonc]

Life is about relationships regardless if they are human, animal or otherwise. Trust me, when I smoked, cigs we're my closest friends.
Have you ever saw somebody cry or mourn when a personal item, like a house, car, teddy bear etc gets lost or destroyed? It's because they have a personal relationship with these objects.

The representation ,we project onto objects.

I,did not have any relationship,with big blue ,yet having memories with big blue from fishing ,my imagination as a boy of seeing it work ,and how as you can see my posts on fb of how I,take photos ,know how I use emotions i see,felt or based on old photos .with big blue Its what it represents .

I despised the idea of the interview . in,short despite being a libertarian by large ,the city utility of electric is old ,I sensed much history and community in it.perfect no.but its death bothers me. Big blue itself represents that .your employees working on holidays endured you had power,during a storm they suffered with you and in doing so fixed your problems .i have been without power and reading meters ,while the city was was fixing its grid,fpl,is still like that but it's much distant .reading on history of fpua,covb history of power of the early days is fun .I,sense places ,the,men .its differebt

Vero electric sale: City meter readers make one last round before FPL takes over on Monday

Friday was the last time city meter readers will make their rounds in Vero Beach. FPL is buying the city-owned system on Monday.

www.google.com

 

[jasonc]

I can walk you to exactly where that photo was taken,lol across from the haunted house .the patio route .that's how emotional I am about that .I acquired two meters from fpl.I,will have a plaque.I will,donate it to the historical society

 

[jasonc]

Kelly jo,the teddy bear ,the tears,I remember the tears of getting rid of that ,it represented her .that hurt forever burned me ,I don't get that close because of that pain .I haven't thought of that in a while .

 

[HeIsRisen2018]

Life is about relationships regardless if they are human, animal or otherwise. Trust me, when I smoked, cigs we're my closest friends.
Have you ever saw somebody cry or mourn when a personal item, like a house, car, teddy bear etc gets lost or destroyed? It's because they have a personal relationship with these objects.

Good point!

 

[jasonc]

You can't sue a veternarian for malpractice ,you can't sue for property damage from mechanics ,contractors like you can for a doctor killing ,injuring his patient .

Cheyenne was put down earlier in part because of the vet messing her hip,surgery up.she may have lived longer had he not broke the femur.

Pets are property ,humans aren't .

 

[stovebolts]

I can walk you to exactly where that photo was taken,lol across from the haunted house .the patio route .that's how emotional I am about that .I acquired two meters from fpl.I,will have a plaque.I will,donate it to the historical society

That's pretty awesome! Vero is lucky to have you!

 

[jasonc]

I have photos of old Florida places I,was near earlier ,an 1880s hotel .a tourist relic and bumps in the road only,locals will know.

My,fil discussed fire fighting .the coolimg tower for big blues unit 4 came up in,discussion.my ful,worked as a fireman for the city .his old stations ,all that are left I have read .

 

[jasonc]

very old and they say its haunted as it was a brothel and the ladies stayed

up stairs. one was murdered in it. when I take photos I attach my self to the edifice if I know its story as I have an idea with this, its strong. its stronger emotional if I have been in it, worked in it or knew the owner or met the owner who told me the history.

the fruit stand with that derelict sign, that is an old gas station with fruit stand from the 60s, it was opened when the turnpike came through. I can make out the foundation of it. it original before the shuttle said indian river fruit. it was also lit up. when I went to Disney world a few times my parents stopped here or stuckeys. when it was closed the sign remain lit. the shuttle came later when the program started. I have seen photos of that from different eras. in that corner there were a few gas stations with simple foundations left they called me to tell. I post this to show how yes people get attached to these things as memories of family were there. my wife seeing this pointed out a restaurant that was and remembered stuckeys. she said she ate at that restaurant but couldn't remember who. she thought it was me and I told her that was gone before we met and also before her daughter was born.(1980). I did some researching on what I was going to photo a few months ago, after seeing an old image of pre turnpike and after the stuckeys and also the restaurant were there before. a floridian old enough would remember stuckeys. my county had two.

@jeff bishop zoom in to notice the numbers on that pump. its the oldest that I have seen this close, it was selling gas when I remember it doing it in the early 90s. these might have been used or simply because of its history put back in place. I have operated one of these before in louisana, you pump up the fluid to the tank and then put the handle into the car and operate it. the numbers would tell you how much from addition and subtraction. a few of these are found in my county. mostly collectables. some more modern and not so tall. one is found at a restaurant.

Desert Inn and Restaurant - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Michael74]

If you create an algorithm to self learn, and most AI uses or creates these algorithms, then it's learning is unique to what it's exposed to, much like a human being. So yes, robots can, and are able to have their own unique personalities.

Each person's robot would adapt to their owner's personality. Care bots for the elderly seem like a better idea all the time.

 

[jasonc]

That's pretty awesome! Vero is lucky to have you!

I'm,jealous ,footsteps of men I,know have been inside and I haven't been all over that ,in,that video I felt it calling me .for am this week it has called me to photo it.perfect sunsets and sunrises .