Isaiah 14:12 - KJV vs. NIV

[Geo]

This was written prompted by the inspiration of God - not by "Hebrew poets".

the description of the connection of Babylon with Lucifer doesn't make sense either?

Do a Babylon study, get the parallel verses until Revelation....then you've done the basic investigation required for CSI

 

[JudaicChristian]

"You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations!"

["Israel once laid low the nations around it." Hey mdo757 - you are interpreting here, and that totally out of context]

That verse 12 alone should give us a hint who it is that has been cast down. The full context is even clearer and cannot leave anyone confused:


13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

"above the stars of God - I will be like the most High" How much clearer can it get ?

You are correct Geo, it is about Mystery Babylon. It is speaking about Rome [and you know who.] In my rush to give an answer I over looked the Babylon part.

 

[stovebolts]

The correct translation is "Morning Star." It can be a person of God or an entity such as an institution, like a synagogue.

I agree.
The "Morning Star" was Venus (I love looking at Venus in the morning when it's out) and in this verse, it represented the person of God, Nebuchadnezzar. (see the book of Daniel)

One has to keep in mind why Israel was exiled from the land and the means in which God Almighty used for said exile... (Deut 28:47-57)

It's all about historical context

 

[Vic C.]

^ Good post, Jeff. ^

Ah, but did not Erasmus "look up to" Jerome, and even consider him his favorite church father (ie his book, Life of Saint Jerome) as well as Origen? Since Erasmus was reared in the Latin church, who is to say that he did not take from the Vulgate rather than the Textus Receptus from time to time. I understand that KJV advocates often label Jerome's "The Latin Vulgate" as a corrupt translation. That is not to say that the KJV could never be influenced by Jerome, through Erasmus.

I merely dabble with history, especially religious (Christian) history, beyond what is taught in Sunday School. But this is one of those "what if" questions...

Regardless, Lucifer doesn't belong in the passage, nor does the passage refer to Satan.

I agree. It isn't there in the Hebrew. Regardless, I still like all the KJV and it' modern equivalents. I honestly do not like the NIV or the HCSB. I just don't like the way they read and I'm not convinced of the accuracy.

There are ravenous wolves disguised as Christians who say things like "Lucifer isn't Satan" Don't be fooled, brethren.

Give me a break!