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Growth Israel and the Church Contrasted

netchaplain

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When contrasting Israel and the Church, the differentiation between them should never be understood within the concept of favoritism concerning God’s love and promises towards both, for “God is no respecter of persons” (Job 34:19; Act 10:34; Rom 2:11; 1Pe 1:17). Therefore, though the eternal authoritative position of both vary (Mat 19:28; Luke 22:30), neither vary in His love for them.

As it is well known, prayerful and studious research must be exercised when reading Scripture, esp. when there is increased obscurity concerning certain subjects and issues. At present it is my speculation that God’s plan for eschatological Israel (Israelites saved after seeing Christ during the Millennium—John 20:29) is to “inherit the earth” because it corresponds to the Jewish promises.

God give us to apply patience and persistence towards our receiving what and when He desires to give us understanding concerning that which is contained within His “Word of Truth.” God be blessed!

Risen With Him

-NC (Bob)


Israel and the Church Contrasted​

Extent of Biblical Revelation – Israel occupies nearly four-fifths of the text of the Bible. As to primary application, the Church occupies slightly more than one-fifth of the Word.

The Divine Purpose – Every covenant, promise and provision for Israel is earthly, and they continue as a nation on the earth when it is created anew.

Every covenant or promise for the Church is for a heavenly reality, and she continues in heavenly citizenship when the heavens are recreated.

Birth – Israelites become what they are by physical birth. Each one is begotten of human parents and their inheritance is transmitted by human generation.

Christians become what they are by spiritual birth. They are begotten directly by God and are therefore His legitimate offspring. Their inheritance is immediate in that each is a child of God.

Nationality – Israel belongs to the earth and to the world-system. Though above all nations in Jehovah’s reckoning, they are still in the world as one of its nations.

The Church is composed of all nations, including Israelites, and sustains no citizenship here, but instead the believers are strangers and pilgrims.

Ministry – Israel was appointed to exercise an influence over the nations of the earth, and this she will do perfectly in the coming kingdom age. Previously she undertook no missionary work, and proclaimed no gospel. She maintained her self-centered worship*—she faced inward toward the tabernacle or temple, and all her benevolence was consumed on her own worship.

Immediately upon her formation, the Church is constituted a foreign missionary society. It is her obligation to face outward, and to those of her company is given the task of evangelizing the people of the world in each generation.

The Death of Christ – That nation which demanded the death of Christ and who said by their officials, “His blood be on us, and on our children,” is guilty of that death; yet they will be saved as a nation on the ground of that sacrifice.

A present and perfect salvation to the praise of God is the portion of the Church through the offering of the Lamb of God.

The Father – To Israel God is known by His primary titles, but not as the Father of the individual Israelite*.

The Christian is actually begotten of God and has every right to address Him as Father.

Christ – To Israel, Christ is Messiah, Immanuel, and King.

To the Church, Christ is Savior, Lord, Bridegroom, Head and Life.

The Holy Spirit – Only in exceptional instances and for unusual service did the Holy Spirit come upon an Israelite, and He withdrew as freely as He came, when the purpose was accomplished.

The Christian is permanently indwelt by the Spirit of God; and actually, he is not saved apart from this relationship to the Spirit (Rom 8:9).

Governing Principle – For fifteen centuries the Law of Moses was Israel’s rule of daily life (Ps 103:17, 18).

Members of the Body of Christ, being wholly perfected in Him, are under the beseechings and directions which grace provides.

Divine Enablement – The Law system provided no enabling power for its achievement. There was constant failure because of the weakness of “the flesh” to which it was addressed (Rom 8:3).

To the Church is provided, by the indwelling Spirit, enablement for every requirement. The Apostle Paul could say, “Sin shall not have dominion over you”; the reason being, “Ye are not under law, but under grace” (Rom 6:14).

Christ’s Return – He returns as King to gather Israel into the land (Deu 30:1-8; Jer 23:7, 8; Mat 24:31).

The Lord Jesus Christ returns for His Bride and takes her with Him into heaven’s glory (John 14:1-3).

Position – Isaiah declares, “But thou, Israel, art my servant” (Israel 41:8). Though individuals in Israel attained to great usefulness, as did the prophets, priests and kings, yet they never reached a higher distinction than that they were the servants of Jehovah.

Christians compose the Church, forever in Christ, and are members of the family and household of God (the believers services are no longer as “servants” - John 15:15—NC).

Christ’s Earthly Rein – Israelites are appointed to be subjects of the King in His earthly kingdom.

Members of the Body of Christ are to reign with the King as His Consort in the kingdom.

Priesthood – Israel has a priesthood. The Church is a priesthood (1Pet 2:5, 9; Rev 1:6; 5:10; 20:6).

Judgments – Israel must yet come into judgment (Mat 25:1-13). The Church has been judged, and will not come into judgment (John 5:24; Rom 8:1).

-- L S Chafer



(Notations are poster’s comments and are to be considered opinions as such)

* “self-centered worship”: worship that centered on what the individual was required to do to secure their right standing with God (Num 15) during the prior dispensation, which involved “a worldly sanctuary,” wherein the practices were performed contained “carnal ordinances” (Heb 9:1, 10; Eph 2:15).

Now, only Christ-centered worship is accepted for son-ship, which is centric of what Christ did (unlike contingency on the obedience to the Mosaic Law) for our right standing with God in the present dispensation.

* “Father of the individual Israelite”: there is God being father of mankind, as in being creator of us all, similar to Abraham being a “father of many nations” (Gen 17:4, 5); there is God being fatherly, as in caring “as a father,” i.e. father of a nation and not necessarily of an individual, as is the present relationship of the believer through Christ; there is God being Father of His children, as in being their Father by their relationship with the Lord Jesus, which also relates to the Lord Jesus’ instruction concerning prayers of the Christian to be addressed to “our Father.”
 
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At present it is my speculation that God’s plan for eschatological Israel (Israelites saved after seeing Christ during the Millennium—John 20:29) is to “inherit the earth” because it corresponds to the Jewish promises.

Brother Bob,
Not sure how much you have studied OT prophecies, but if you are familiar with those, then you could replace "speculation" with "conviction". For some strange reason, Christians have rarely been taught that GOD HAS AN ETERNAL PLAN FOR THE NATION OF ISRAEL ON EARTH under Christ, just as He has an eternal plan for the Church (Jew and Gentile in one Body) under Christ.

There are a number of points where Brother Chafer may have misread the Scriptures concerning Israel, but I will not get into the nitty-gritty. I will take just one example and comment on it:

Governing Principle – For fifteen centuries the Law of Moses was Israel’s rule of daily life (Ps 103:17, 18). Members of the Body of Christ, being wholly perfected in Him, are under the beseechings and directions which grace provides.

1. The Law of Moses (the Torah) is not limited to simply regulating the daily life of Israel. The book of Genesis speaks of Grace and justification by grace through faith (Gen 15:6). The bulk of the Torah (the first five books of the Bible) is devoted to the Tabernacle, the Priesthood, the Feasts and the Sacrifices. All of that speaks of Christ, and all of that speaks of grace through the shed blood of the Lamb of God. The epistle to the Hebrews makes this crystal clear, and while these were "types and shadows", they spoke loudly about Christ in the Heavenly Sanctuary.

2. Under Grace, were are not simply "under the beseechings and directions which grace provides" but we are also under the COMMANDMENTS of Christ. Jesus Himself said "If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love" (Jn 15:10).

This is just one example. I believe each one of us should take Chafer's summary given above and examine it in the light of both Testaments. Some statements are true. Others need further clarification or correction. But the underlying fact remains -- God definitely has a plan for redeemed and restored Israel on earth, and the Church as not replaced Israel (Replacment Theology).
 
Hi brother Mal - Thanks for clearing the floor concerning my use of "speculation" in the article in case others may have your same suspicion. I agree that God's plans especially includes the last surviving generation of Israel (who believe in God but not in Christ). By "speculation" I was referring to the arrangements and timing of such within eschtalogical doctrine.

Always a cheer to see your posts and replies!!
 
what is the function of the priesthood and of which son of zadok will be in the office?
 
I may not understand, but I don't see Old Testament Jews who put their faith in the coming Messiah addressed here.
Could you elaborate?
 
I may not understand, but I don't see Old Testament Jews who put their faith in the coming Messiah addressed here. Could you elaborate?
Rollo,
I'll let netchaplain give his response when he gets to this question. But you have a very good point.

We need to go all the way back to Gen 3:15 to see that God revealed the coming of the Messiah-Savior to Adam through His rebuke to Satan. He also revealed the necessity of animal sacrifices to Adam and Eve (Gen 3:21), else Abel would not have offered what he offered (Gen 4:4; Heb 11:4).

Thus the principle of justification by grace thorough faith in God, and the shed blood of the Lamb of God was established at the very beginning. Noah offered sacrifices, and so did Abraham. The Law codified the animal sacrifices, but all during the OT period it was faith in the one true and living God and the future Lamb of God which brought salvation to the OT saints. If you go through Hebrews chapter 11, you will see this for yourself.

Those saints were in "Abraham's bosom" until the resurrection of Christ. When Christ ascended back to Heaven, He took those saints with Him to the Heavenly Jerusalem. They are called "the spirits of just [justified] men made perfect" and they too are a part of the Church (Jew and Gentile in on Body), which is called "the general assemly and Church of the first born" (Heb 12:22-24):
22But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
23To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
24And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

After the Church is raptured, God will resume His dealings with Israel as a nation and as "the elect" of God. But His plans for redeemed and restored Israel will be for an earthly kingdom under king David as regent (Ezek 37:21-28).
 
so its king david on the earth not Jesus? that is a first. the bible says that the prince shall over atoning sacrifices in the temple. no priest can enter the temple without atoning because of the presence of the Lord dwelling there. see Ezekiel 40-48.
 
what is the function of the priesthood and of which son of zadok will be in the office?
The function of the priesthood under the Law of Moses is described in Lev 9:1-24, and all the offerings are described in Lev chapters 1-7. The consecration of the priests is decribed in Lev 8, and the Day of Atonement in Lev 16. It is summed up in Heb 8:1-5.

In the Millenial Temple (and beyond) the sons of Zadok will minister as priests (Ezek 44:15; 48:11):
15But the priests the Levites, the sons of Zadok, that kept the charge of my sanctuary when the children of Israel went astray from me, they shall come near to me to minister unto me, and they shall stand before me to offer unto me the fat and the blood, saith the Lord GOD:
11It shall be for the priests that are sanctified of the sons of Zadok; which have kept my charge, which went not astray when the children of Israel went astray, as the Levites went astray.
 
so its king david on the earth not Jesus? that is a first. the bible says that the prince shall over atoning sacrifices in the temple. no priest can enter the temple without atoning because of the presence of the Lord dwelling there. see Ezekiel 40-48.
David is over the kingdom. The priests minister in the Temple. Christ and God are over all.
 
Rollo,
I'll let netchaplain give his response when he gets to this question. But you have a very good point.

We need to go all the way back to Gen 3:15 to see that God revealed the coming of the Messiah-Savior to Adam through His rebuke to Satan. He also revealed the necessity of animal sacrifices to Adam and Eve (Gen 3:21), else Abel would not have offered what he offered (Gen 4:4; Heb 11:4).

Thus the principle of justification by grace thorough faith in God, and the shed blood of the Lamb of God was established at the very beginning. Noah offered sacrifices, and so did Abraham. The Law codified the animal sacrifices, but all during the OT period it was faith in the one true and living God and the future Lamb of God which brought salvation to the OT saints. If you go through Hebrews chapter 11, you will see this for yourself.

Those saints were in "Abraham's bosom" until the resurrection of Christ. When Christ ascended back to Heaven, He took those saints with Him to the Heavenly Jerusalem. They are called "the spirits of just [justified] men made perfect" and they too are a part of the Church (Jew and Gentile in on Body), which is called "the general assemly and Church of the first born" (Heb 12:22-24):
22But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
23To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
24And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

After the Church is raptured, God will resume His dealings with Israel as a nation and as "the elect" of God. But His plans for redeemed and restored Israel will be for an earthly kingdom under king David as regent (Ezek 37:21-28).

David is an Old Testament Jew that put his faith in the coming Messiah.
What you are saying does not add up.
 
I guess that's all too complicated for me. I'm a simple man.

Understood. It is also difficult for Christains who are presently on earth to imagine themselves in the New Jerusalem, which will hover over redeemed and restored Jerusalem on earth. But we too will be given responsibilities for ruling with Christ, commensurate with our faithfulness on earth (Lk 19:16-19):
16Then came the first, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained ten pounds.
17And he said unto him, Well, thou good servant: because thou hast been faithful in a very little, have thou authority over ten cities.
18And the second came, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained five pounds.
19And he said likewise to him, Be thou also over five cities.
 
I want to reply after I have answers for everyone at the same time. That way I'll be ready for your additional replies quicker. Thanks for your inputs and God gives us to learn what He desires to show us at our individual levels.
 
The function of the priesthood under the Law of Moses is described in Lev 9:1-24, and all the offerings are described in Lev chapters 1-7. The consecration of the priests is decribed in Lev 8, and the Day of Atonement in Lev 16. It is summed up in Heb 8:1-5.

In the Millenial Temple (and beyond) the sons of Zadok will minister as priests (Ezek 44:15; 48:11):
15But the priests the Levites, the sons of Zadok, that kept the charge of my sanctuary when the children of Israel went astray from me, they shall come near to me to minister unto me, and they shall stand before me to offer unto me the fat and the blood, saith the Lord GOD:
11It shall be for the priests that are sanctified of the sons of Zadok; which have kept my charge, which went not astray when the children of Israel went astray, as the Levites went astray.
when did other priest go astray? prior to the millennium and uhm when did god say that the children would be punished for the sins of the father? the sons of zadok, were allowed because they like the father followed the Lord.
 
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what is the function of the priesthood and of which son of zadok will be in the office?
Hi J - The eternal earthly ministry of the Jews saved after seeing Christ will have a different covenant that the prior one (Jer 31:32). There are some who confuse this prophecy with the present Christian Jews since Christ, but it is not related to Christians, for they will not be under a covenant like the final Millennium Jews, like all the remaining population of Israel will be.
 
I may not understand, but I don't see Old Testament Jews who put their faith in the coming Messiah addressed here.
Could you elaborate?
Hi RT - I do not believe those who believed in God and about Christ in the prior dispensation, i.e. John 8:56, will be included with the Millennium earthly Jews, but will be in the Body.
 
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